A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

KarelXWB · Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:44 am

Quoting starbucks (Reply 49):
Cathay's first A350 is in the engine run area

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First engine run msn29 F-WZFX 18/3/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

StTim · Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:55 am

It certainly feels like the pace has moved up several gears. the flow of frames into the FAL is regular and now we see the frames coming out of rework and getting to the flightline.

Nice to see.

KarelXWB · Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:00 am

Quoting StTim (Reply 51):
he flow of frames into the FAL is regular

Indeed, 5 per month now. Final assembly is currently up to MSN 61, so there are now almost 40 A350s at different phases of assembly at TLS.

Asiaflyer · Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:19 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 52):
Indeed, 5 per month now. Final assembly is currently up to MSN 61, so there are now almost 40 A350s at different phases of assembly at TLS.

Great to see!! However deliveries are slipping comparing to what was expected some months ago. Hopefully its only due to the Zodiac issue.
I was looking back at posts from Richards2K14 from about 2 months ago, and clearly we are now behind what was expected at that time.
"First update of 2016, in order of TAC:
MSNs 22>12>26>23>27>21>30>29 - this takes us up until the end of March."

speedbored · Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:47 pm

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 53):
I was looking back at posts from Richards2K14 from about 2 months ago, and clearly we are now behind what was expected at that time.
"First update of 2016, in order of TAC:
MSNs 22>12>26>23>27>21>30>29 - this takes us up until the end of March."

Well there's still 2 weeks of March left

dkny · Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:14 pm

ET says first 350 will be delivered in May
http://en.starafrica.com/news/ethiop...very-of-first-airbus-aircraft.html

"Amidst 70th anniversary celebrations, Ethiopian Airlines is going to take delivery of its first Airbus A350-900 jetliner in May, 2016, reports said here on Saturday.Airbus has confirmed to The Reporter that it will deliver Africa’s first A350-900 (XWB) to Ethiopian Airlines in May in accordance with the original delivery schedule."

CCA · Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:50 am

Looks like the CX jets are going to be around quite a while.

Quote:
Cathay Pacific in this week’s schedule update has revised planned Airbus A350-900XWB service entry date. Previously scheduled on 01MAY16, the A350 is now scheduled to enter service on 01JUN16, although further changes remain highly possible.

For the month of June 2016, the A350 is scheduled to operate on following flights:

Hong Kong – Manila CX901/900

Hong Kong – Taipei Taoyuan CX400/409 (Flight CX409 replaces previous old flight number CX401)

Planned A350-900XWB operational routes and flights also subject to change.

Original delivery was Feb correct?

The SIA and CX delays, are they both due to the same issues?

bobdino · Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:11 pm

Quoting CCA (Reply 56):
The SIA and CX delays, are they both due to the same issues?

CX: Reporting indicates it's an issue with the Zodiac Business Class seat, possibly because of changes that CX made post-deadline: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-unions-10-abreast-response-263367 and http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...s-a350-delivery-as-seats-not-ready

SIA: Seems to be seats/lavatory related: http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...wn-the-toilet-20160113-gm4qeq.html

CX Flyboy · Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:35 pm

Quoting CCA (Reply 56):
Original delivery was Feb correct?

I don't know of a firm delivery date yet but if they are planning on flying it in June then I imagine the first would be due for delivery in the next few weeks.

poolkeeper · Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:59 am

Just noticed that TAM has started the service to MIA the 17th of March, missed it completely

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...st-a350-international-flig-423242/

This should really be in the A350 in service thread but it seems to be archived.

Edit: Date

[Edited 2016-03-22 22:00:57]

[Edited 2016-03-22 22:05:58]

starbucks · Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:34 pm

The first registration is outside again for it's second use

MSN52, SriLankan #1

bycac · Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:05 pm

And RTO done for CX :

poolkeeper · Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:16 pm

Quoting starbucks (Reply 60):

And there are 2 F-WZFX. They are increasing production by duplicating

ap305 · Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:24 pm

Number 2 for TG

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jujug/25378385634/

Is that some sort of sealant on the aft fuselage join?

DeltaB717 · Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:21 am

Quoting bycac (Reply 61):

Well that's a bit pretty!!

mwhcvt · Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:02 am

Quoting ap305 (Reply 63):

There's a body join there I believe so it's probably just where some primer has been sanded back a little in the joining process, as they want fasteners as smooth as possible to increase aerodynamic efficiency

starbucks · Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:46 am

Cathay #1 going for First Flight:

www.fr24.com/AIB01FX

BobMUC · Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:01 am

We still see the registration F-WZFX two times on FR24.
www.fr24.com/AIB01FX has this reg, which should be the correct one, but www.fr24.com/FWZFY shows the same reg.
So an Airbus or FR24 "problem".

col · Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:48 am

Anyone know when SQ2 will be delivered? Have two flights on both 118/119, in April, just wanted to know if only the first unit would be in operation.

bycac · Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:06 pm

In the sky

Miami · Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:20 pm

2nd A350 for Thai has moved to the A15 tent for rework.

2nd Airbus A350-941 Thai Airways | cn 050 | F-WZGW -> HS-THC by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

gatibosgru · Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:47 pm

CX's bird sure looks sharp!

EPA001 · Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:12 pm

Quoting gatibosgru (Reply 71):
CX's bird sure looks sharp!

Yes, she does.

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Maybe "sharper" then other A350's, but that must be misleading. The photo's do the design of the aircraft and the livery justice.

BobMUC · Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:52 pm

Next delivery: Finnair 4th A350 online on FR24 with customer registration: OH-LWD

BobMUC · Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:42 pm

Now on it's way home:
http://www.flightradar24.com/FIN8961

notaxonrotax · Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:01 am

Sorry if I missed it, but what was F-WXWB doing in Alicante; on the 11th of March?
Seems like an unusual airport to visit, no?

No Tax On Rotax

Hirnie · Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:48 am

Does anybody have an overview of how many pieces have been delivered so far?

StTim · Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:50 am

Try this

http://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/production-list-2

Has 19 Delivered. 5 on the flightline.

trex8 · Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:46 pm

Why are some of the planes in that production list being "reworked"?? Are they having 787 type issues with manufacturing??

StTim · Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:50 pm

No - it is nowhere near that level of rework. There is always some items that get changed due to certification - to incorporate on the line is very disruptive. Also there is usually some elements of travelling work - ie fit that is not completed at the right stage. The amount of planes and duration in rework is falling quite rapidly as certification issues are built in and production processes become more robust.

BOAC1966 · Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:23 pm

AY#4 quickly into revenue service on LHR today.

Miami · Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:02 pm

PR-XTF/ TAM 6th

A350 part LATAM PR-XTF by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

ap305 · Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:23 pm

The standard a350 gets the ulr's mtow from 2020 along with a 2% fuel burn reduction...

http://atwonline.com/airframes/airbus-build-280-tonne-mtow-a350-900

mat66 · Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:26 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 82):

The standard a350 gets the ulr's mtow from 2020 along with a 2% fuel burn reduction...

http://atwonline.com/airframes/airbus-build-280-tonne-mtow-a350-900

They are not saying where these "aerodynamic performance improvements" come from. Any ideas? Where do they usually find those? Are those real hardware changes at the wing or wing-fuselage joint or just software with slightly different flight paths/AOA/weight distribution?

mjoelnir · Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:38 pm

Quoting mat66 (Reply 83):
They are not saying where these "aerodynamic performance improvements" come from. Any ideas? Where do they usually find those? Are those real hardware changes at the wing or wing-fuselage joint or just software with slightly different flight paths/AOA/weight distribution?

I think part of the aerodynamic improvements could be software. Airbus has been using the movable surfaces to shape the wing in flight, to adjust lift and drag.

trex8 · Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:25 pm

Who is taking the 268t A359s and the 275t? I think Zeke said all CX ones are 275t. Do we know for sure what the SQ and EY regional A359s MTOW will be?

ap305 · Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:45 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 85):

Who is taking the 268t A359s and the 275t?

There was a Finnair a350 cockpit photo which showed an MTOW of 268t

Miami · Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:58 am

QR's 13th

A350-900 QATAR AIRWAYS F-WZGO FUTUR A7-ALM MSN042 by Jérémy Le roch, on Flickr

mfranjic · Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:21 pm

List of the

. A350 aircrafts, 19 of them, delivered so far :

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TAM Airlines´ 2nd Airbus A350-941, MSN 027, reg. PR-XTB, powered by twin

. Trent XWB-84, three shaft turbofans, each 374,54 kN / 38.192 kgf / 84.200 lbf., flying on the route TLS - CNF, was delivered on 18. Mar 2016…

.

Nice regards

mfranjic

macc · Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:41 pm

deliveries seem a little slow this year...

rbrunner · Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:49 pm

Quoting macc (Reply 89):
deliveries seem a little slow this year...

True, but if you look at the build up at FAL, they will soon start coming out like fresh bread in the morning.

CX Flyboy · Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:38 am

Update from CX is that they are aiming for an end of May delivery for B-LRA, then one every 4 weeks for the first 4 frames.

ThReaTeN · Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:59 am

Quoting ap305 (Reply 82):
The standard a350 gets the ulr's mtow from 2020 along with a 2% fuel burn reduction...

http://atwonline.com/airframes/airbu...0-900

I could hardly be more confused by Airbus' positioning of A350 variants than I already was, and then this news arrives. So there's going to be a non-ULR -900 with the same MTOW as the -900ULR, and just like the -900ULR also with fuel burn reduction through PiPs and aerodynamic improvements? And when will these IGW non-ULR -900s be available - sooner than the ULRs? If so, what's the point of waiting for the ULR model?

[Edited 2016-04-01 21:59:57]

[Edited 2016-04-01 22:05:17]

Stitch · Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:28 am

Quoting ThReaTeN (Reply 92):
And when will these IGW non-ULR -900s be available - sooner than the ULRs?

I believe SQ is supposed to receive their A350-900ULRs in 2017.

bobdino · Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:36 am

Quoting ThReaTeN (Reply 92):
I could hardly be more confused by Airbus' positioning of A350 variants than I already was, and then this news arrives. So there's going to be a non-ULR -900 with the same MTOW as the -900ULR, and just like the -900ULR also with fuel burn reduction through PiPs and aerodynamic improvements? And when will these IGW non-ULR -900s be available - sooner than the ULRs? If so, what's the point of waiting for the ULR model?

The first A350-900ULR is scheduled to be delivered to SIA in 2018: http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...ong-range-version-of-the-a350-900/

The standard frame, from 2020, will have the same MTOW available as the ULR, but there's no mention of the fuel capacity being bumped to 165kl.

So, in 2020, as I understand it there will be:
- 260t regional
- 268t standard
- 272t standard
- 278t standard
- 280t standard
- 280t ULR

It is entirely possible that by 2020 these will all be the same physical frame, with software & paperwork changes to convert between variants.

StTim · Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:05 am

There are currently 7 frames on the flightline - which is the highest number I can recall. It seems like they are starting to hit their straps with rewaork time also falling quickly.

Heavierthanair · Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:44 am

G'day

First flight of SQ # 2 in progress

http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01FY/948c572

Cheers

Peter

BOAC1966 · Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:46 pm

FY safely down after go around on first approach. See F-WWOW had good outing today with a couple of short flights then a four hour plus detail .....seems to be quickly clocking up the test hours on the -1000 engine .

mfranjic · Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:43 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 96):
First flight of SQ # 2

Interesting route of the pretty long first flight of the SQ´s 2nd

. A350-941 - MSN 030, reg. 9V-SMB...

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* Singapore Airlines´ 2nd Airbus A350-941, F-WZFY, by dn280tls

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P.S. KarelXWB, where are You?! Have You left us and went elsewhere? What do You think who will instead of You work all that what You were working?!

Nice regards

Mario

sturmovik · Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:35 pm

I flew on A7-ALE and A7-ALG within the last fortnight. The flap retraction sound on ALE was loud, though ALG seemed marginally quieter (of course, this is just my experience, no data/measurements to support my assertion). Is this something that will be improved on future MSNs? It seemed awfully out of place for an otherwise amazingly quiet and comfortable aircraft.

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