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American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:05 pm

According to Will Horton, American will start LAX-HKG starting September 7th.

No surprise and this was widely rumored.

Stay tuned for updates.


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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:07 pm

Here's what it said on their website:




They have now deleted that part.
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:11 pm

Sydney, Auckland, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo and now Hong Kong from LAX. Not bad at all!
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:12 pm

I'm seeing something peculiar here. American and Delta doing their long haul Pacific stuff out of LAX, and United basically saying "Go ahead, Take it, we'll take SFO"
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:13 pm

Excellent - if true, this adds yet another key longhaul node into AA's growing LAX gateway.

So by the end of the year, AA would be operating a total of six daily transpacific widebody departures from LAX (not even counting JV partners), making it the second largest U.S. carrier transpacific gateway. Remarkable to see how AA's presence across the Pacific has evolved - grown - in just the last few years.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:17 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):

I don't see what is peculiar about that. UA has an amazing basically uncontested west coast trans pac hub in SFO. Of course that will be thier prime focus of attention. Neither DL nor AA have that (although DL is trying with SEA).
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:31 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 2):

Was PEK announced or just rumored ?
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:34 pm

Way to go AA, finally going all out to Asia. Hoping something good happens at Haneda, JFK to HND would be great to go along with the Los Angeles flight.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:45 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):
AA will have SYD AKL NRT HND PVG HKG on their own, plus MEL BNE KIX via alliance ...

... while UA has SYD MEL NRT PVG on their own, plus AKL RAR HND ICN PEK TPE via alliance (same plane 1-stop direct service to SIN depends on how to count it)

I don't have a perfect count for DL, but I think it's SYD NRT HND PVG on their own, plus BNE ICN TPE NKG CAN on alliance+VA

So AA is 6+3, DL is 4+5, UA is 4+6+(1)

[Edited 2016-03-08 04:47:34]
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:46 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Way to go AA, finally going all out to Asia. Hoping something good happens at Haneda, JFK to HND would be great to go along with the Los Angeles flight.

I would think given what ANA is announced, JL/AA have to launch it from JFK. We'll see.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:48 pm

I think comparisons made in the past have referred to those nonstop routes covered not by "alliance," but by antitrust-immunized, metal-neutral revenue-sharing JV. And by that measure, it will soon - apparently - be AA at 6+3, United at 4+2, and Delta at 4+1.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:57 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 10):

That's only from the airline's own perspective. From the pax perspective, alliance matters, and for FF elites, alliance matter a lot more than just codeshare services with no elite benefit recognition.

Does the pax care about metal neutrality and revenue sharing in the backdrop ? Hardly.

But to give AA credit, if their rumors for PEK and ICN play out, the score will grow to 8+3. If your assumption is UA+NZ enter JV mode, the score is 4+3 using your criteria and 4+6+(1) using my criteria.

[Edited 2016-03-08 05:08:03]
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:43 pm

Congrats to AA, where else will they be headed to in Asia? I was always assuming AA was weak in Asia, seems like they are challenging this perception! Exciting times.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 8):
MEL BNE KIX via alliance ...

I'd say at some point we will see LAX-MEL with AA on a 788 or 789. QF did have daily A380 + 3 weekly 744. However QF needed the 744 elsewhere so now 2 weekly 744. The route was profitable they just needed the aircraft else where to reinforce their network. Seems perfect route for an AA787 now, smaller more efficient and with a JV all the same pool of $$s. Easy to build up to double daily between the two. And makes it even hard for UA with no alliance partner in Aus and stops DL/VA form trying MEL a second time.

Not to mention statements by CEOs more routes are coming... [Edited 2016-03-08 05:45:35]

[Edited 2016-03-08 05:52:08]
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:45 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 11):
That's only from the airline's own perspective. From the pax perspective, alliance matters, and for FF elites, alliance matter a lot more than just codeshare services with no elite benefit recognition.

Does the pax care about metal neutrality and revenue sharing in the backdrop ? Hardly.

First off, yes - that's from the airline's perspective. No question about it. Airlines care far more about metal-neutral JVs as that's how they generate far more revenue.

Second, yes, there is a different for passengers between a metal-neutral JV and otherwise. Just ask Delta SkyMiles members about the difference between metal-neutral JV partners ("Group 1") and not.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:58 pm

I wonder if we'll see UA announce LAX-HKG like we did last time when AA launched LAX-PVG. The 789 is a much more suitable aircraft that the 744 UA flew last time.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:34 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):


Second, yes, there is a different for passengers between a metal-neutral JV and otherwise. Just ask Delta SkyMiles members about the difference between metal-neutral JV partners ("Group 1") and not.

For both AA/oneworld and UA/star there's hardly any difference in the actual traveling perspective. EXPs cannot upgrade freely with SWUs on QF and JL IIRC. Check-in, boarding priority, and lounge access are still based on alliance-wide status (e.g. emerald), with no extra preference for the JV partner's elites.

Yes there's a slight improvement in mileage earning when dealing with JV. Even for JAL, it's not equalized. JL discounted econ booked as JL code is as low as 30% mileage but it's 100% min on AA side (at least until the revenue-based RDM kicks in later this year)

Of course, in the AA context the difference in TPAC is more stark when most discounted econ buckets operated by CX and booked as CX code doesn't earn AAdvantage miles at all, thus frequently necessitating AA metal or AA codeshare (possibly at a fare premium).
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:51 pm

I am actually rather surprised about this new service. American Airlines did not fly from West Coast USA to HKG until now?

In my own Top-10 hubs in our world, HKG and LAX would both be there, dont care at the moment about relative position. So to find that AA will START a flight LAX - HKG is a shock to my system! I had assumed that such service had existed for decades!

Is USA really all that isolated?
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:56 pm

My question is who cares or better yet why would AA do this? It really does nothing for them. CX has the route covered multiple times a day. Opening HKG via another gateway, or an alternative city not served via LAX by one of their partners makes much more sense.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:02 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 2):
Sydney, Auckland, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo and now Hong Kong from LAX. Not bad at all!

I remember reading a quote of an article which mentioned one of the AA higher level executives in 2014 or 2015 saying that they need 8 long haul Austral-Asian destinations out of LAX served nonstop in order to make their hub there feasible.

Now we have 6 from your list so 2 more to go.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:02 pm

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 16):
I am actually rather surprised about this new service. American Airlines did not fly from West Coast USA to HKG until now?

No, AA has long been weak in HKG (and Asia in general) and don't have a strong West Coast fortress hub. They only currently fly to DFW from HKG, and only started that back in 2014.

LAX and HKG have been linked nonstop for decades though via CX, and UA has tried it a couple of times.

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 16):
Is USA really all that isolated?

HKG/Asia is pretty far from the US, HKG-LAX is ~500 nm longer than LHR-SIN. It is only been in the past 15 or so years that we have seen nonstops to HKG past the West Coast.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:03 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 17):

My question is who cares or better yet why would AA do this? It really does nothing for them. CX has the route covered multiple times a day. Opening HKG via another gateway, or an alternative city not served via LAX by one of their partners makes much more sense.

The counter question is "which other gateway". Let's examine AA's hub list -

DFW - already has it
ORD/JFK - already has CX, which is same as your argument
PHX/CLT - forget it
PHL - even AA/JL can't figure how to fly to NRT, and little TPAC trade/VFR to form basis for traffic.
MIA - way too far for current generation equipment unless you have a low-density 77L.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:16 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 20):
The counter question is "which other gateway". Let's examine AA's hub list -

Fair points, their hubs are well covered with CX service or too small. Seems odd to pour capacity onto an alliance dominated lane.

So, let's think about other destinations that would better utilize the a/c from LAX. PVG (gov't controlled)? ICN? Others?
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:23 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 21):

So, let's think about other destinations that would better utilize the a/c from LAX. PVG (gov't controlled)? ICN? Others?

AA already has LAX-PVG, and as UA is finding out, PVG slots are hard to come by without a local partner assisting.

AA has rumored LAX-ICN/PEK, and a long shot for MEL. Once those 2 or 3 are completed, all the low hanging fruits would've been picked at that point. The next set is more challenging - BNE CHC NGO PUS CAN CTU CKG WUH TPE.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:00 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 17):
Opening HKG via another gateway, or an alternative city not served via LAX by one of their partners makes much more sense.

AA already has DFW-HKG.
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Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:02 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 8):
... while UA has SYD MEL NRT PVG on their own, plus AKL RAR HND ICN PEK TPE via alliance (same plane 1-stop direct service to SIN depends on how to count it)

Can you clarify your statement? UA this summer will have all of these except MEL & RAR on its own metal, plus SIN, XIY, CTU and maybe HGH as nonstop 787 routes.
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:11 pm

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 24):

Can you clarify your statement? UA this summer will have all of these except MEL & RAR on its own metal, plus SIN, XIY, CTU and maybe HGH as nonstop 787 routes.

I was explicitly talking about their (plus alliance partners') LAX offerings, not SFO. Obviously SFO offers even more, including KIX.

Surprised that UA still hasn't released any PR on the HGH rumor.
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:21 pm

Quoting slvrblt (Reply 23):

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 17):
Opening HKG via another gateway, or an alternative city not served via LAX by one of their partners makes much more sense.

AA already has DFW-HKG.

'

I'm wondering if once the LAX-HKG service start, AA might not switch the
DFW-HKG route to one of their new 789's that will begin arriving this fall?

IIRC , the 77W is at the edge of it's envelope on the DFW-HKG route,
where the 789's can handle flights as long as LAX-MEL
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:25 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):
American and Delta doing their long haul Pacific stuff out of LAX

DL also has SEA as its new Asia-focused hub. It is essentially DL's plan to grow SEA and reduce NRT.

Quoting Polot (Reply 5):
UA has an amazing basically uncontested west coast trans pac hub in SFO.

A really powerful combination of O&D and connecting traffic, on the one hand, and a great geographic location on the other one.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 12):
'd say at some point we will see LAX-MEL with AA on a 788 or 789. QF did have daily A380 + 3 weekly 744. However QF needed the 744 elsewhere so now 2 weekly 744. The route was profitable they just needed the aircraft else where to reinforce their network. Seems perfect route for an AA787 now, smaller more efficient and with a JV all the same pool of $$s. Easy to build up to double daily between the two. And makes it even hard for UA with no alliance partner in Aus and stops DL/VA form trying MEL a second time.

So, QF is flying 9x weekly LAX-MEL? Seven of these with A380s?
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:41 pm

Good to see whatever problems delayed the first announcement a few weeks ago were quickly rectified.

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 26):
I'm wondering if once the LAX-HKG service start, AA might not switch the
DFW-HKG route to one of their new 789's that will begin arriving this fall?

The LAX and DFW schedules are expected to compliment each other with the planes doing DFW-HKG-LAX-HKG-DFW. The current 77W parks in Hong Kong for 18 hours between Dallas trips. I don't expect it will be anything but a 77W.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 20):
MIA - way too far for current generation equipment unless you have a low-density 77L.

Won't be a problem for a 789. Granted AA does not have any right now, but will by year's end. Miami-Asia, still, best left to a foreign carrier, IMO. And Beijing is the better market than Tokyo - far more growth there.
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:51 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):

Quoting a380787 (Reply 20):
MIA - way too far for current generation equipment unless you have a low-density 77L.

Won't be a problem for a 789. Granted AA does not have any right now, but will by year's end. Miami-Asia, still, best left to a foreign carrier, IMO. And Beijing is the better market than Tokyo - far more growth there.

I was specifically referring to MIA-HKG, which will be 8990mi. A 789 will struggle at that distance with typical configurations.

Obviously MIA-NRT, at 7436mi, is easily reachable even with the 788.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:54 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 29):

Obviously MIA-NRT, at 7436mi, is easily reachable even with the 788.

It's still going to struggle a bit going West in a normal configuration. In JAL's configuration it'll be fine, but you don't make money flying that route with 160-180 seats.
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:55 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Won't be a problem for a 789. Granted AA does not have any right now, but will by year's end. Miami-Asia, still, best left to a foreign carrier, IMO. And Beijing is the better market than Tokyo - far more growth there.

While I think you're right about Japan, I still can't understand how JL hasn't started the route.

What's the traffic between China and MIA though? Any numbers been posted?
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:00 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):

It's still going to struggle a bit going West in a normal configuration. In JAL's configuration it'll be fine, but you don't make money flying that route with 160-180 seats.

LAX-MEL is 7921mi and UA has subbed in the 788 on multiple occasions. (Granted, South Pacific headwinds are not as strong as a northerly route required by MIA-NRT)

But then again, many has frequently claimed how the 77E struggles on anything above 7500mi, and UA flies it nonstop on routes up to 8060mi every day, rarely requiring a fuel stop.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:02 pm

AA has confirmed to the Fort Worth Star Telegram that is indeed launching the route, and it was accidentally posted a little early.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/bu...sky-talk-blog/article64734237.html

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 31):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Won't be a problem for a 789. Granted AA does not have any right now, but will by year's end. Miami-Asia, still, best left to a foreign carrier, IMO. And Beijing is the better market than Tokyo - far more growth there.

While I think you're right about Japan, I still can't understand how JL hasn't started the route.

With what plane? The 788 is too low density, the 77W has too many premium seats. Maybe the 789 will work for it.
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Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:18 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 21):
Fair points, their hubs are well covered with CX service or too small. Seems odd to pour capacity onto an alliance dominated lane.

AA and CX don't have a JV, so for all intents and purposes, CX is a competitor on the route, save for the codeshares which I don't imagine would account for much of the traffic.

This is a great opportunity for AA to considerably increase their utilization for the 77Ws in HKG. The current one sits one the ground for like 20 hours.

By running a W-pattern, you could have two aircraft, each running DFW-HKG-LAX and LAX-HKG-DFW to make the timing work out.

AA137 (DFW-HKG) is scheduled to do 1130-1825+1

AA138 (HKG-DFW) is scheduled 1340-1420

A hypothetical timing on the LAX flight could be:

LAX-HKG 2330-0730
HKG-LAX 0000-2030

Even better would be if they retimed DFW-HKG to leave 90 minutes earlier, which would allow a 2.5 hour turnaround, leaving at like 1930 back to LAX, with an arrival time of 1600 into LAX. This would allow connections to all west-coast cities and a number of mid-con cities with evening departures from LAX (AUS, STL, SAT, OKC to name a few). I don't believe there would be any appreciable loss of feed from DFW on the outbound as all points east could arrive before 0900 (so as to allow a 1 hour connection), and I don't expect there are too many west-coast cities that are currently able to link up with DFW before the HKG flight that would no longer be available to (really only cities with 0500 departures from points SFO and south could have a legal connection to the current AA137). Not to mention the reduced demand for DFW with an LAX flight.

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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:24 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 21):
Fair points, their hubs are well covered with CX service or too small. Seems odd to pour capacity onto an alliance dominated lane
Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 26):
I'm wondering if once the LAX-HKG service start, AA might not switch the DFW-HKG route to one of their new 789's that will begin arriving this fall?

This route is all about the premium seats. DFW-HKG is the hardest route in the system for an upgrade and I imagine LAX-HKG is going to be right up there with it, if not harder.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:35 pm

Sometimes I'm thoroughly impressed by the loyalty of some customers to inconvenience themselves for miles (not even for an upgrade). Last week a friend of mine purposely flew SFO-DFW-HKG-TPE (with multiple delays along the way), and a full 56.0% longer by distance (78% longer by duration if no delays) than the great circle SFO-TPE nonstop that has 3 airlines competing.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:46 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 34):
A hypothetical timing on the LAX flight could be:

LAX-HKG 2330-0730
HKG-LAX 0000-2030

If this kind of schedule comes to fruition, I can see a tag-on to/from MIA, especially a red-eye on HKG-LAX-MIA.
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:56 pm

I'm curious if maybe CX will drop a frequency and let AA cover it with the new service since they're both OW. LAX is already very well served by CX to HKG so I don't see the point of this route otherwise. This would free up a plane or two at Cathay which could potentially result in a new 77W destination like SEA or additional frequencies for other routes. They want to to put more 77W's on SYD I recall reading so an extra plane or two on hand would likely help with that. Just a thought I had anyways.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:01 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 34):

This is a great opportunity for AA to considerably increase their utilization for the 77Ws in HKG. The current one sits one the ground for like 20 hours.

By running a W-pattern, you could have two aircraft, each running DFW-HKG-LAX and LAX-HKG-DFW to make the timing work out.

AA137 (DFW-HKG) is scheduled to do 1130-1825+1

AA138 (HKG-DFW) is scheduled 1340-1420

A hypothetical timing on the LAX flight could be:

LAX-HKG 2330-0730
HKG-LAX 0000-2030

That's my belief as well...AA will also gain a competitive advantage being the only US carrier to fly overnight to/from HKG.
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:12 pm

There is absolutely no way that CX would do that. CX and AA do not share any revenue at all. Even though they're both in oneworld, they will be competitors on this route as they will not revenue share, will not do anything at all to share in the benefit of this flight. Who knows, CX may even add another flight just to stick it to AA.

Quoting Speedalive (Reply 38):






I'm curious if maybe CX will drop a frequency and let AA cover it with the new service since they're both OW. LAX is already very well served by CX to HKG so I don't see the point of this route otherwise. This would free up a plane or two at Cathay which could potentially result in a new 77W destination like SEA or additional frequencies for other routes. They want to to put more 77W's on SYD I recall reading so an extra plane or two on hand would likely help with that. Just a thought I had anyways.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:13 pm

why would they tag it? What's the point? they have good connections at LAX that would meet that flight anyway.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 37):
If this kind of schedule comes to fruition, I can see a tag-on to/from MIA, especially a red-eye on HKG-LAX-MIA.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:16 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 32):

The 788 goes out weight restricted on LAX-MEL. It is a but of a nightmare when there is a last minute sub.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 27):

Yes, LAX-MEL with QF is 7x388 + 2x74E.

I've lost count of what SYD is these days, I think it is 6x388 + 4x744 + 7x77W
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:20 pm

Quoting Speedalive (Reply 38):
I'm curious if maybe CX will drop a frequency and let AA cover it with the new service since they're both OW. LAX is already very well served by CX to HKG so I don't see the point of this route otherwise. This would free up a plane or two at Cathay which could potentially result in a new 77W destination like SEA or additional frequencies for other routes. They want to to put more 77W's on SYD I recall reading so an extra plane or two on hand would likely help with that. Just a thought I had anyways.

My guess is that if CX does drop a LAX frequency then the plane will be used to increase frequency on current non-daily routes. We've already seen CX announce an additional frequency to BOS this summer (going to 5x weekly) with rumors that they're looking to go daily as soon as capacity is available.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:21 pm

Quoting Speedalive (Reply 38):
I'm curious if maybe CX will drop a frequency and let AA cover it with the new service since they're both OW. LAX is already very well served by CX to HKG so I don't see the point of this route otherwise. This would free up a plane or two at Cathay which could potentially result in a new 77W destination like SEA or additional frequencies for other routes. They want to to put more 77W's on SYD I recall reading so an extra plane or two on hand would likely help with that. Just a thought I had anyways.

CX is desperately short on crew cockpit right now, especially on the B777 fleet. This is unlikely to change anytime soon as they refuse to entertain any reasonable contract demands. In addition they are short on training captains, and they operate a archaic and inefficient rostering system.

SYD will gradually be transitioning back to all A330 or just a daily B777 frequency due to the lack of crew.

In any case, they are already strategically cancelling flights on various days to LAX and any other destination with multiple daily frequencies in an attempt to alleviate their rostering problems.
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:30 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 41):
why would they tag it? What's the point? they have good connections at LAX that would meet that flight anyway.

Just the flight number. I should've made that more clear.
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:50 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):
I'm seeing something peculiar here. American and Delta doing their long haul Pacific stuff out of LAX, and United basically saying "Go ahead, Take it, we'll take SFO"

Why's that peculiar? SFO is a much more powerful hub for them, and only an hour away... of course they're going to give it first and/or exclusive priority for routes.


Quoting Thomaas (Reply 14):
I wonder if we'll see UA announce LAX-HKG

Hopefully. The route screamed for one of their 789s.
Fear that they've been beaten to the punch however.  


Quoting sassiciai (Reply 16):
I had assumed that such service had existed for decades!

Why?


Quoting fun2fly (Reply 17):
My question is who cares or better yet why would AA do this? It really does nothing for them. CX has the route covered multiple times a day. Opening HKG via another gateway, or an alternative city not served via LAX by one of their partners makes much more sense.
Quoting Speedalive (Reply 38):
I'm curious if maybe CX will drop a frequency and let AA cover it with the new service since they're both OW.

You guys are giving wayyyyyy too much credence to the "alliance" moniker... it's nothing more than a loose marketing agreement.

AA and CX are not immunized and do not operate a JV, meaning that at the end of the day, they're still 100% competitors. No way is CX just going to move over and "let" AA operate a route without responding. There's nothing in it for them, for doing so.


Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 26):
IIRC , the 77W is at the edge of it's envelope on the DFW-HKG route,
where the 789's can handle flights as long as LAX-MEL

You do realize that DFW-HKG is several hundred mi longer than LAX-MEL, don't you?


Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Won't be a problem for a 789.

   If you're referring to MIA-HKG, which post 20 appears to be, then no, that's out of the question for a 789.
It's over 500mi longer than SFO-SIN. You'd need a 77L for that, or one of the newer ULH aircraft coming out.
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:21 pm

I'm glad the post-merger routes are good. At least, thus far.

I like that they're putting up a fight at LAX.

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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:26 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 46):
You guys are giving wayyyyyy too much credence to the "alliance" moniker... it's nothing more than a loose marketing agreement.

AA and CX are not immunized and do not operate a JV, meaning that at the end of the day, they're still 100% competitors. No way is CX just going to move over and "let" AA operate a route without responding. There's nothing in it for them, for doing so.

It is actually more than a loose marketing agreement. CX benefits from AA corporate contracts in the local market. In fact, CX accepts AA's corporate discounts, whether or not it has a contract itself with the corporate customer. In many cases, it does not. AA has a much better point of sale operation in LA than CX.

That is just one of the reasons why you will not see CX retaliate against AA. The codeshare is just too important. It supplies CX with a lot of premium traffic.

It will be interesting to see how much of that traffic migrates back to AA, given the possibility that AA's fares on its own metal should be lower than the codeshare fare, that only codeshare fares will continue to earn at the higher earning level in AA's new RDM scheme, and that EP's with a paid J ticket will be able to upgrade to F with an SWU.
 
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RE: American Airlines To Start LAX-HKG

Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:51 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 42):
I've lost count of what SYD is these days, I think it is 6x388 + 4x744 + 7x77W

Do you mean in total?

QF: A388 + 744(ER)
VA: 77W
DL: 77L
AA: 77W
UA: 77E


Quoting ldvaviation (Reply 48):
AA has a much better point of sale operation in LA than CX.

Sure, but the route's primary point of sale overall is HKG, not stateside.
Which is a main reason CX has run the table, essentially unchallenged, for about a decade.


Quoting ldvaviation (Reply 48):
That is just one of the reasons why you will not see CX retaliate against AA.

Not so confident that that'll be the case. Wouldn't be surprised to see fierce competition between the two.
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