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Delta/Volotea 717 Question
It was reported in Skyliner magazine that Delta would indeed get the 19 Volotea 717s over the next 2 years as they are phased out. I have not seen any official cobfirmation of this. Does anyone have any inside info about this? If it is, does anyone know how the Voltea phase out schedule will run?
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
Well, I think we'll get more details when we know where V7 intend to buy the others A319.
Will they go for new frames or used ones ? This is still an open question.
Will they go for new frames or used ones ? This is still an open question.
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
I could see the 15 leased from BCC leaving at the end of their 5 yr leases which translate to 2017-2018 if they plan to add an equal amount of replacement A319s. The other 4 ex-Blue1 aircraft were just added less than a year ago so most likely the last to leave.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
I have found many articles in french about the introduction of the 4 new A319s in the Volotea's fleet, each one report that the carrier is going to an all Airbus fleet but without any details about the schedule.
For example : Volotea passe à l'Airbus A319
For example : Volotea passe à l'Airbus A319
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
Or Delta swapping 19 older A319's for the 717's.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
Is Skyliner the only source reporting this at present? Can a subscriber paste a quote from the article, please?
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 7): To my knowledge DL does not have any old 319s. It's their 320s that are old, some being built in 90-91. If the rumor is true more than likely these planes would be used for some domestic growth and further up gaging of rj flights. |
All of Delta's 319/320 series aircraft are getting multi-million dollar per-plane overhauls. They're not going anywhere.
That said, many were surprised when the overhauls were to include the ex-NWA 320 aircraft from ship 3250 and down as they are some of the oldest batches still flying. I've never heard anything confirmed but it maybe be they are being overhauled because Airbus agreed to Delta pressure to engineer a life-extension program (as part of the 333 IGW order).
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
The first batch of DL (NW) A319s were delivered in 1999. The fleet is similar in age to the 717 and 738 fleets.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 6): Quoting rbavfan (Reply 4): Or Delta swapping 19 older A319's for the 717's. The oldest 319 are just a few years older than the newest 717 (fleet type is just a year older, on average)... |
DL's youngest 717s are 7 years younger than their oldest A319s... Add to it that the Volotea jets are mostly 04-06 builds, and the superior durability between the two designs (MD95 vs A319), and rbavfan may have a point.
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
Rumor has it DL has bought the T5 717s and is going to buy at least the bulk of the V7 717s.
Also still expecting 30-50 more E90s.
Sounds like the 717 will leave the west coast and add a MSP base. E90s will stay out west and in SLC.
not even anywhere close to a point.
DL isn't investing all the money they are into the 319s to sell them/trade them/park them.
More importantly DL still sees a huge need in the size range and will be adding more E90s and 717s if they can get them. No 32S is leaving any time soon. Only thing on the table is the M88 fleet.
*well I thought I heard that 1 A320 will be parked, but I can't remember the reasoning behind it.
Also still expecting 30-50 more E90s.
Sounds like the 717 will leave the west coast and add a MSP base. E90s will stay out west and in SLC.
| Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 10): DL's youngest 717s are 7 years younger than their oldest A319s... Add to it that the Volotea jets are mostly 04-06 builds, and the superior durability between the two designs (MD95 vs A319), and rbavfan may have a point. |
not even anywhere close to a point.
DL isn't investing all the money they are into the 319s to sell them/trade them/park them.
More importantly DL still sees a huge need in the size range and will be adding more E90s and 717s if they can get them. No 32S is leaving any time soon. Only thing on the table is the M88 fleet.
*well I thought I heard that 1 A320 will be parked, but I can't remember the reasoning behind it.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11): Also still expecting 30-50 more E90s. Sounds like the 717 will leave the west coast and add a MSP base. E90s will stay out west and in SLC. |
DL right now has the E90 pegged for Seattle. But that's just the 20 ex-AC aircraft.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
So where will this put the amount of 717s DL will have. 88 + 3 Ex-Blue1 = 91. How many of the Ex-YX birds are they getting?
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11): buy at least the bulk of the V7 717 |
15 of their 19 are leased from BCC so not sure about 'buying'.
| Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 13): How many of the Ex-YX birds are they getting? |
15 of Volotea's 19 are ex-Midwest, but no public announcement yet that DL is getting any, just likely they will.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 14): 15 of Volotea's 19 are ex-Midwest, but no public announcement yet that DL is getting any, just likely they will. |
Rumor is that six more have been secured
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting n7371f (Reply 12): DL right now has the E90 pegged for Seattle. But that's just the 20 ex-AC aircraft. |
Right. I mean if they get to 50-70 like they want you will probably see a LAX and SLC base with the 717s coming back east.
| Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 14): 15 of their 19 are leased from BCC so not sure about 'buying'. |
they will end up being owned by DL, might have a lease before that happens though.
| Quoting dtw9 (Reply 15): Rumor is that six more have been secured |
rumor says these are from T5.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
Some (little) more details since a press release yesterday : During 2016, the low-cost airline will add four Airbus A319 to its current fleet of 19 Boeing 717 which it will replace and increase in size with the A319 in the coming two to three years.
Our first 4 Airbus are here. Let’s party!
Our first 4 Airbus are here. Let’s party!
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
Once finalized, these latest acquisitions will bring the fleet total up to 116 frames. That will be right in line with the eventual fleet of ~120 that I have been projecting - and there still is the QF fleet down the road - although it will be desperation time for HA once they do become available.
So much for "DL is done with adding more 717s" huh?
Makes perfect sense. MSP is destined to build up more 717 ops than what is currently in the timetable.
I think arrangements will be made to term that lease early at mutually beneficial terms, provided enough A319 lift is put into service at V7.
| Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11): Rumor has it DL has bought the T5 717s and is going to buy at least the bulk of the V7 717s. |
So much for "DL is done with adding more 717s" huh?
| Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11): Sounds like the 717 will leave the west coast and add a MSP base. |
Makes perfect sense. MSP is destined to build up more 717 ops than what is currently in the timetable.
| Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 2): The other 4 ex-Blue1 aircraft were just added less than a year ago so most likely the last to leave. |
I think arrangements will be made to term that lease early at mutually beneficial terms, provided enough A319 lift is put into service at V7.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18): and there still is the QF fleet down the road - although it will be desperation time for HA once they do become available. |
Why would HAL be desperate? Sure, HAL would love more now, but they'd have to come at the right price. If DL outbids them, so be it. By the time the useful life is up on the 717, HA will have decided on their replacement.
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting azjubilee (Reply 19): Why would HAL be desperate? Sure, HAL would love more now, but they'd have to come at the right price. If DL outbids them, so be it. By the time the useful life is up on the 717, HA will have decided on their replacement. |
Because as it stands there is no suitable replacement now or will be in the foreseeable future (perhaps 10, maybe 15 years). The QF aircraft will represent the very last chance for HA to acquire lower cycle 717s, or adjust their inter-island business model accordingly.
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18): So much for "DL is done with adding more 717s" huh? |
Don't believe I said that.
I said DL wont over pay for 717s. I still stand by that. (and i still wouldn't be shocked at all if at least a few of them end up as parts planes. )
| Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20): Because as it stands there is no suitable replacement now or will be in the foreseeable future (perhaps 10, maybe 15 years). The QF aircraft will represent the very last chance for HA to acquire lower cycle 717s, or adjust their inter-island business model accordingly. |
since we don't know the cool down temps and such of the GTF not really sure how you can say that........
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 21): Don't believe I said that. I said DL wont over pay for 717s |
I believe you implied no more in favor of E190s, back when the previous Boeing order was the hot talk. Doesn't matter. It should be clear now to everyone that DL does not plan to stop at 91 frames.
| Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 21): since we don't know the cool down temps and such of the GTF not really sure how you can say that........ |
I'm sure they have Strategy on top of the latest GTF developments. But if and when V7 and T5 are confirmed for DL, the QF urgency most definitely will is on HA's next ExComm round-table.
Ultimately, it would be very surprising if HA did not acquire at least a portion of the QF fleet in the coming years. I don't think they can rely solely on the hope that a future engine variant will meet the demands of their inter-island business model. Eventually, they will need lower cycle 717s as a buffer.
This still leaves 120+ 717s eventually at DL.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
QF has no plans to retire the 717s at the moment...and I cant see them looking for a suitable replacement anytime soon. The F100s will likely go before the 717s
Remember the old Bae 146s left in Dec 2006, after being first introduced in 1991
Remember the old Bae 146s left in Dec 2006, after being first introduced in 1991
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 22): |
There's a lot of assumptions in your rationale... so I guess we'll just have to see what happens.
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RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
QF are critically short of 717s at the moment, even with the F100s taking over some branded flying. They don't have enough to even cover routine maintenance as the fleet is stretched incredibly thin.
Anyone who doesn't expect Qantas to go and kick the tyres on at least some of the Volotea frames is kidding themselves. DL might ultimately out bid them, but QF will be very keen.
Anyone who doesn't expect Qantas to go and kick the tyres on at least some of the Volotea frames is kidding themselves. DL might ultimately out bid them, but QF will be very keen.
RE: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
| Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 21): since we don't know the cool down temps and such of the GTF not really sure how you can say that........ |
The BR715 doesn't exactly have the fastest cool-down temp. Matter of fact, when it starts, the fan has to motor for about 10-15 seconds before the start sequence begins.
Not to plug my own work, but you can hear it motoring before the fuel is switched on, in order to cool down the core.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdYTFy-ntvU
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Re: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
Any more rumours of movement from T5 or Volotea and their 717's? Volotea has to be getting close to selling another batch as the 319 replacements are still coming... i hear HA and in particular QAntas are still very keen to acquire any 717 frames that become available...
Re: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
That's a great question. So, does anyone have speculation to add or the inside scoop? Any rumors out of ATL?
It would not surprise me if most of these 717s were taken by Hawaiian and QantasLink.
It would not surprise me if most of these 717s were taken by Hawaiian and QantasLink.
Re: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
No word or confirmation from ATL when I asked during MD90 training last week... but wouldn't surprise me if they announce anytime soon...stay tuned
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Re: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
Two of their 19 (S/N 55182 and 55185) already left for Hawaiian last October as N494HA and N495HA. 13 of the 15 leased from BCC are left and the 5 year leases end on 8 of those this summer and the last 5 end in 2013. However, the pace of the replacement is dependent on adding more A319s.
Re: Delta/Volotea 717 Question
When DL is reportedly getting CS100s for $19.6 million, do they still need to scramble for additional 717s?
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