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+140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:42 pm

It looks like every hour there is an announcement for a new route to the Spanish Mediterranean or Islands for this summer. I have made a brief recapitulative and there are more than 140 new routes announced!. Only counted Mediterranean airports and islands. Alicante, Barcelona and Mallorca lead the ranking. Kind of crazy growth. Most of those airports already closed 2015 with all time records.

At least 14 routes involve London and, interestingly, 5 involve Moscow.

Girona (GRO) - 4

AMS (CD) - Amsterdam
GLA (LS) - Glasgow
MAN (LS) - Manchester
NCL (LS) - Newcastle

Barcelona (BCN) - 18

BOD (U2) - Bordeaux
CZL (VY) - Constantine
DUS (EW) - Dusseldorf
EIN (VY) - Eindhoven
GCI (GR) - Guernsey
GYD (J2) - Baku
IAD (UA) - Washington Dulles
IAS (0B) - Iasi
LBA (U2) - Leeds
LTN (VY) - London Luton
LPL (VY) - Liverpool
MST (VY) - Maastricht
NAP (U2) - Naples
NCL (VY) - Newcastle
RAK (FR) - Marrakesh
RIX (VY) - Riga
VKO (SU) - Moscow Vnukovo
VNO (VY) - Vilnius

Reus (REU) - 1

LGW (MT) - London Gatwick

Castellón (CDT) - 1

OTP (0B) - Bucharest

Valencia (VLC) - 8

ALG (VY) - Algiers
AMS (KL) - Amsterdam
LCG (VY) - A Coruña
LYS (TO) - Lyon
MUC (HV) - Munich
SVO (SU) - Moscow Sheremetyevo
TLV (LY) - Tel Aviv
TRN (FR) - Turin

Alicante (ALC) - 32

AMS (KL) - Amsterdam
AMS (OR) - Amsterdam
BHD (EI) - Belfast City
BOD (V7) - Bordeaux
BHX (VY) - Birmingham
CLJ (W6) - Cluj Napoca
DSA (BE) - Doncaster
EDI (VY) - Edinburgh
FAE (RC) - Vágar
FCO (FR) - Rome Fiumicino
FRA (LH) - Frankfurt
KBP (7W) - Kiev
MAN (MT) - Manchester
MAN (VY) - Manchester
MUC (HV) - Munich
MXP (U2) - Milan Malpensa
MXP (VY) - Milan Malpensa
NTE (V7) - Nantes
NTE (VY) - Nantes
NQY (FR) - Newquay
NWI (BE) - Norwich
OTP (RO) - Bucharest
PMI (YW) - Palma de Mallorca
SOF (FB) - Sofia
SOF (W6) - Sofia
SVO (SU) - Moscow Sheremetyevo
TLV (NO) - Tel Aviv
VGO (YW) - Vigo
VIE (EW) - Vienna
WRO (3Z) - Wroclaw
ZRH (LX) - Zurich
ZRH (VY) - Zurich

Murcia San Javier (MJV) - 1

DUB (EI) - Dublin

Almería (LEI) - 4

LGW (BY) - London Gatwick
LGW (MT) - London Gatwick
LUX (LG) - Luxembourg
STN (ZB) - London Stansted

Málaga (AGP) - 10

AMS (U2) - Amsterdam
DME (S7) - Moscow Domodedovo
DSA (BE) - Doncaster
FMO (ST) - Munster
LBA (ZB) - Leeds
MRS (VY) - Marseille
NCL (FR) - Newcastle
NWI (BE) - Norwich
STN (BA) - London Stansted
TLS (V7) - Toulouse

Jerez (XRY) - 3

BRU (SN) - Brussels
HAJ (DE) - Hannover
VIE (OS) - Vienna

Menorca (MAH) - 14

BLQ (VY) - Bologna
CGN (4U) - Cologne
DUB (AG) - Dublin
DUS (EW) - Dusseldorf
GRZ (HG) - Graz
LGW (MT) - London Gatwick
LHR (BA) - London Heathrow
LIS (UX) - Lisbon
LYS (U2) - Lyon
ORK (WX) - Cork
SDR (V7) - Santander
TLS (U2) - Toulouse
TRN (0B) - Turin
VRN (VY) - Verona

Mallorca (PMI) - 17

AAR (SK) - Aarhus
ALC (YW) - Alicante
AMS (U2) - Amsterdam
ATH (A3) - Athens
LIL (V7) - Lille
LPL (BY) - Liverpool
MAN (S5) - Manchester
MUC (HV) - Munich
NCE (U2) - Nice
PSA (V7) - Pisa
SIR (F7) - Sion
SOU (V7) - Southampton
STN (BA) - London Stansted
STR (I2) - Stuttgart
TRN (0B) - Turin
VRN (V7) - Verona
ZRH (GM) - Zurich

Ibiza (IBZ) - 10

AMS (KL) - Amsterdam
BUD (W6) - Budapest
DME (S7) - Moscow Domodedovo
GRZ (HG) - Graz
HAM (EW) - Hamburg
LNZ (HG) - Linz
MUC (X3) - Munich
STN (BA) - London Stansted
TRN (FR) - Turin
TSF (FR) - Venice Treviso

Fuerteventura (FUE) - 4

BFS (LS) - Belfast
DUB (AG) - Dublin
FCO (VY) - Rome Fiumicino
PAD (XG) - Paderborn

Lanzarote (ACE) - 2

MXP (U2) - Milan Malpensa
ZRH (VY) - Zurich

Tenerife North (TFN) - 1

ZRH (VY) - Zurich

Tenerife South (TFS) - 2

FCO (VY) - Rome Fiumicino
LGW (MT) - London Gatwick

La Palma (SPC) - 1

AMS (OR) - Amsterdam

Gran Canaria (LPA) - 10

AMS (VY) - Amsterdam
BUD (W6) - Budapest
DUS (EW) - Dusseldorf
EUN (AT) - Laayoune
LGW (MT) - London Gatwick
LGW (ZB) - London Gatwick
MXP (VY) - Milan Malpensa
OVD (I2) - Asturias
STN (MT) - London Stansted
ZRH (VY) - Zurich
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:39 am

Package tourists and independent travellers who in previous years might have gone to Tunisia or Egypt's Red Sea Coast resorts have to find somewhere else to go to get the sun.
Then there's the reluctance to go to Turkey because of its closeness to Syria, perceived domestic terrorism problem, and large number of refugees. Russians in particular won't go after the incident when one of their military aircraft was shot down by Turkey. Now a lot of this is exaggeration and distortion by the media (nobody had beach holidays next to the Syrian border anyway, for example).
Finally there's Greece - allegedly overrun with Syrian refugees. I say allegedly because while some islands have seen a huge influx, most of the islands and mainland beach resorts haven't seen a single one. Again, media hysteria.
All of that leaves leaves both charter and LCC airlines with a fleet of planes in need of work, and Spain is suitably far away from the conflict zone.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:51 am

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 1):

I know but I wonder how Spanish airports would cope. For instance, the Spanish minister of Infrastructures said that BCN had grown +20% in February over last year's (and that already coming from record numbers in BCN, so no "crisis speech" here). Those growths are more South Asian or Middle Eastern than common for large European airports.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:22 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):

There was a huge amount of investment by central and regional government in Spanish airports in the 2000s which was rendered pointless because of the 2008/2009 world banking crisis and recession. Maybe at least some of it will start being fully utilised and worthwhile after all. There's certainly a lot more capacity out there than has ever been used, but the situation at individual airports will vary. Some were built new or expanded as a pump-priming exercise to start a tourist industry locally, and as the hotels and apartment complexes never followed, these airports won't benefit this year.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:17 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
I know but I wonder how Spanish airports would cope

Every time I work a BCN flight we get a slot, regardless of day and time of day. We are always delayed in and out of BCN and every flight is packed, adding to the stress.

I hope Spain is using this enormeous tourism growth to get their financial house in better order.
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:21 am

Surprised there are no additions from PNA
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:35 am

Quoting a318 (Reply 5):
Surprised there are no additions from PNA

Pamplona???? First of all, Pamplona is not a sun destination. However you are right, growth is not limited to "sun destinations". MAD is getting more than 20 new routes and growth is in double digits as well, with international traffic running at historic records.

Secondly, PNA has been always a very tiny airport mainly with "shuttles" to MAD. BIO is quite close to Pamplona.

Now with the high speed train to Madrid and improved communications PNA is a completely marginal airport (around 140,000 PAX in 2014).

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
Every time I work a BCN flight we get a slot, regardless of day and time of day. We are always delayed in and out of BCN and every flight is packed, adding to the stress.

I hope Spain is using this enormeous tourism growth to get their financial house in better order.

Of course I haven't counted increased frequencies and added capacity in existing routes... that would be never ending. For instance, Delta is doubling JFK-BCN (daily to double daily) or increasing frequencies and capacity in AGP-JFK.

I can't understand why Norwegian is not already starting long haul to the US from BCN or MAD  Smile

[Edited 2016-03-09 01:37:42]
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:36 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
I know but I wonder how Spanish airports would cope. For instance, the Spanish minister of Infrastructures said that BCN had grown +20% in February over last year's

BCN seems to have room to accommodate growth - Terminal 2A isn't currently in use.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:53 pm

Good to see KL adding one Spanish destination after another...
They've just added IBZ, VLC and ALC!
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:19 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Thread starter):

Vigo (VGO) - 9

DUS - EPR
NUE - EPR
ALC - YW
BRU - YW
MAH - YW
FCO - YW
BLQ - FR
DUB - FR
LIS - NI

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
I hope Spain is using this enormeous tourism growth to get their financial house in better order.

More impotently ability to cope with the influx of people as if holidays become pricey (more than the current increases) it could be a veyr short lived peri
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:07 pm

Quoting a318 (Reply 5):
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 6):

PNA better grow soon because the city is highly disconnected. I'm studying there right now, and getting anywhere from here is a pain. There's no high speed train to Atocha. It's an Alvia service that's high speed for only a portion of the journey (totaling 3 hours 15 mins). Barcelona is 3 hours away in train as well. BIO is 2.5 hours away in bus, EAS is 1 hour away in bus. As far as getting to a large airport, things are complicated (especially because of the schedules).

Locals aren't pleased with PNA either. It went through a terminal expansion that cost 28.2€ million. A costly poject that increased capacity to 1 million annual passengers while only about 100,000 pass through it. The only destination available is MAD (Vueling operates a sparce BCN connection). If I want to get to BHD/BFS/DUB, it's almost always a 3 stop journey. Until EI joins OneWorld or starts codesharing with IB a one stop flight is nearly impossible. This same frustration is felt by the local people as well. If they want to get somewhere they must be willing to make uncomfortable stops in other cities that aren't necessarily nearby. It's a hindrance on business and growth for the city as a whole.

Seasonal flights during the summer to bring in tourists for the running of the bulls could work. Air Nostrum should try connecting PNA with BCN as well to help the airport grow. Something should be attempted soon if PNA is ever to have a chance at becoming a good airport.
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:15 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 9):
LIS - NI

I doubt people from Lisbon travel to Vigo to enjoy the sun. Some people travel to these places for other reasons.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:25 pm

Quoting PatrickZ80 (Reply 11):
I doubt people from Lisbon travel to Vigo to enjoy the sun. Some people travel to these places for other reasons.

Not to mention most (if not all) those routes are subsidised by the city government (if I recall correctly they even paid UX to fly to "exotic" MAD, and now they are indeed paying FR to fly to "exotic" BCN)... but that is not the reason or interest of this thread... the sad thing for the local taxpayers is that most tourists coming on those flights will end up in the leading touristic destination in Northwest Spain, Santiago de Compostela, instead of the area.

[Edited 2016-03-09 13:36:33]
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:31 pm

Quoting 777klm (Reply 8):
Good to see KL adding one Spanish destination after another...
They've just added IBZ, VLC and ALC!

Also AMS-PMI with KLM could be a reality soon...

Quoting hispanola (Reply 10):
PNA better grow soon because the city is highly disconnected. I'm studying there right now, and getting anywhere from here is a pain. There's no high speed train to Atocha. It's an Alvia service that's high speed for only a portion of the journey (totaling 3 hours 15 mins). Barcelona is 3 hours away in train as well. BIO is 2.5 hours away in bus, EAS is 1 hour away in bus. As far as getting to a large airport, things are complicated (especially because of the schedules).

Locals aren't pleased with PNA either. It went through a terminal expansion that cost 28.2€ million. A costly poject that increased capacity to 1 million annual passengers while only about 100,000 pass through it. The only destination available is MAD (Vueling operates a sparce BCN connection). If I want to get to BHD/BFS/DUB, it's almost always a 3 stop journey. Until EI joins OneWorld or starts codesharing with IB a one stop flight is nearly impossible. This same frustration is felt by the local people as well. If they want to get somewhere they must be willing to make uncomfortable stops in other cities that aren't necessarily nearby. It's a hindrance on business and growth for the city as a whole.

Seasonal flights during the summer to bring in tourists for the running of the bulls could work. Air Nostrum should try connecting PNA with BCN as well to help the airport grow. Something should be attempted soon if PNA is ever to have a chance at becoming a good airport.

A region of 650,000 with marginal tourism (other than 1-week San Fermin) and a small-mid sized city, 3-hours by train to MAD and BCN, and a 2-hour car ride to BIO... I don't know what they expect or want as local offer in their airport.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:46 pm

Besides, AENA offers fare discount for new routes, so this helps.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:56 pm

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 1):
Then there's the reluctance to go to Turkey because of its closeness to Syria, perceived domestic terrorism problem, and large number of refugees. Russians in particular won't go after the incident when one of their military aircraft was shot down by Turkey. Now a lot of this is exaggeration and distortion by the media (nobody had beach holidays next to the Syrian border anyway, for example).

While the media does exaggerate, wasn't there a bombing in Istanbul's most touristy neighborhood? Not exactly an off-the-beaten-path backwater near the Syrian border.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:38 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Thread starter):
Menorca (MAH) - 14 DUB (AG) - Dublin

Any idea where to book the flight?!

Quoting SCQ83 (Thread starter):
Mallorca (PMI) - 17

Not enough to fill the gap left by AirBerlin I guess...
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:10 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 16):
ny idea where to book the flight?!

It's a charter but flight only can be booked.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:12 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 15):
While the media does exaggerate, wasn't there a bombing in Istanbul's most touristy neighborhood? Not exactly an off-the-beaten-path backwater near the Syrian border.

Yes, there was, killing 13 people and believed to be linked to ISIL,

In the past there have been bombs in beach resorts though these were set by a completely different organisation (PKK) unrelated to events in Syria. That didn't stop tourists coming, and while Istanbul is an internationally significant tourist destination in its own right, in terms of sheer numbers most European visitors are heading for the Mediterranean coast using airports like Antalya, Dalaman, Bodrum, and Izmir.

The foreign media's local correspondents are based in Istanbul so anything that happens there is treated as a big story, and events elsewhere in Turkey don't receive the same attention.

There have been bombings in Ankara, Turkey's capital which have been barely reported outside the country despite killing over 130 people in the last 6 months. These are not attributed to the PKK, and the biggest was assumed to have links to events in Syria.
 
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RE: +140 New Routes To The Spanish Sun

Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:43 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 13):
A region of 650,000 with marginal tourism (other than 1-week San Fermin) and a small-mid sized city, 3-hours by train to MAD and BCN, and a 2-hour car ride to BIO... I don't know what they expect or want as local offer in their airport.

I don't know what they were expecting when they expanded the terminal, but the airport deserves at least 1 more destination. There's a whole lot more tourism to Pamplona than just San Fermines. Very many pilgrims begin the Camino de Santiago here. You'll see people from France, Ecuador, USA, Korea, and quite a bit of Irish   walking through the city all day long (during the warmer months). There are also plenty of American tour groups that come to see the fortress and the historic town as well.
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