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FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:45 pm

Ryanair has converted their only B737-700 (EI-SEV) to a corporate jet with 60 seats in the cabin. The aircraft is now is a 2-2 configuration.

Youtube link

Source: http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuw...hter-ryanair-stapt-in-vip-vluchten (only in Dutch)

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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:55 pm

Just the one passenger on that flight then.
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:01 pm

Well that's an interesting move, would this suggest maybe they are bidding for some corporate shuttle type contracts?
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:05 pm

Smart move from Ryanair, this "corporate jet hire" offer could maybe be the beginning of FR going into charters ? I think the market is good for them to enter.
I'm at work and don't have access to Youtube, do the plane still wear the FR livery though ?

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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:37 pm

Nice - I assume it will mostly used to transport Ryanair's executives for business purposes to meetings. I don't know that I would consider this a true corporate jet. It is more of an all-business class private aircraft for Ryanair executives to be chartered out when not used. An economy corporate jet in true Ryanair style.

I real corporate BBJ these days looks like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFbLejjbNFw

Emirates Executive Jet:

http://www.emirates-executive.com/
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:44 pm

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 4):
Nice - I assume it will mostly used to transport Ryanair's executives for business purposes to meetings. I don't know that I would consider this a true corporate jet. It is more of an all-business class private aircraft for Ryanair executives to be chartered out when not used. An economy corporate jet in true Ryanair style.

Not at all ! It's not Ryanair way of doing business to have a private frame for their top management.
it's meant as a general charter service available to any request. They target business and group travelers. it's a huge step forward for FR

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...air-launches-corporate-jet-service
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:45 pm

I heard that this plane will be mainly used to train pilots when necessary, and to move some technicians around and spare parts also, like they do with the learners now.
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:46 pm

Quoting euroflyer (Reply 3):
I'm at work and don't have access to Youtube, do the plane still wear the FR livery though ?

The movie doesn't show outside views, the only thing you can see is on a wingview where you can see the normal "Ryanair" on the inside of the winglet
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:03 pm

All they've done is put C class seating in their 737-700 support aircraft, used at the moment for training (although I believe it has covered a couple of scheduled services). At the moment, the aircraft in question is in full FR livery.

I think corporate charters sounds like an interesting and potentially lucrative proposal. The amount of aircraft available for corporate charter has been steadily increasing in Europe, and many of the carriers offering such aircraft are small firms with greater overheads.

Quoting euroflyer (Reply 5):
Not at all ! It's not Ryanair way of doing business to have a private frame for their top management.

You may be surprised to learn that this is untrue. Ryanair have four "support" aircraft, in addition to the 737-700 for training and now corporate hire, they have three Learjet 45s used to carry managers and engineering staff across the network. Remember that FR has bases right across Europe, it's practical to have a way to shuttle senior staff between them as and when required.

Source: http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/ryanair.htm
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:04 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 6):
I heard that this plane will be mainly used to train pilots when necessary, and to move some technicians around and spare parts also, like they do with the learners now.

I never understood the point of a single -700 in the first place. I'm sure they got a good deal on it, but it's not like they have a shortage of orders for -800s, not to mention how cheaply they were able to get their first order of -800s for. Why not just sell off one less -800 and have a fleet that's the same across the board? Plus, if the charter thing doesn't work out, it can be re-config'd to the standard seating.
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:12 pm

Maybe it is the start of PrivatRyan  
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:20 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 10):
Maybe it is the start of PrivatRyan

        

Or Saving PrivatRyan ...  white 

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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:38 pm

I can see this aircraft being in demand when football teams have to play in far-flung eastern European destinations.
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:40 pm

Link to Article on Sky News:
http://news.sky.com/story/1656626/ry...for-hire-as-corporate-jet-launched

Aiming it at sports teams, travel groups as well as business customers.

Prices, Ryanair said, would be on a cost-per-hour basis, with quotes "dependent on the departure and arrival airports" - claiming the rate would be the most competitive in Europe.

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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:48 pm

Quoting euroflyer (Reply 3):
do the plane still wear the FR livery though ?


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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:51 pm

It will be interesting to see how this works out for them. They are not known for being a premium airline so trying to sell this premium offering might be difficult.
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:02 pm

Is it more expensive to use the bathroom on this -700?  
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:12 pm

The seats do not look that good, not much of a recline, no in seat IFE.
Okay for a tour group perhaps, would not want to do more than 2hrs in that setup.
Stretching the envelope to call it a corporate jet I feel.
Have to wait and see what the take up is like.
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:18 pm

It's really for training. Ryanair take in hundreds of very low time cadets with as few as 180 hours TOTAL TIME in their log book. They can't get their type certificate in the sim, they have to do six landings in the real plane. This sole -700 is a real old banger, in terrible shape according to friends of mine who've flown it. I can't explain why they've swapped out the all-Y seating for this low rent all-J set up, but don't worry about the lack of IFE etc, it'll do very little commercial work, as it will continue to be needed to do lots of circuit bashing for all those future Emirates 777 pilots.
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:32 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 18):
but don't worry about the lack of IFE etc, it'll do very little commercial work, as it will continue to be needed to do lots of circuit bashing for all those future Emirates 777 pilots.

Thank you, makes sense now.
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:01 pm

If I would be rich and famous, I am sure I would totally brag about it on some coctail party that I flew in with Ryanair.
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:52 pm

At least the interior isn't full of yellow. And maybe fewer J seats weigh less than a full Y config.
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:39 pm

Maybe they can squeeze two passengers in a seat.

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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:56 pm

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 4):

Nice - I assume it will mostly used to transport Ryanair's executives for business purposes to meetings. I don't know that I would consider this a true corporate jet. It is more of an all-business class private aircraft for Ryanair executives to be chartered out when not used. An economy corporate jet in true Ryanair style.
Quoting euroflyer (Reply 5):
Not at all ! It's not Ryanair way of doing business to have a private frame for their top management.
it's meant as a general charter service available to any request. They target business and group travelers. it's a huge step forward for FR

Michael O'Leary himself catches regular scheduled flights on his own aircraft and pays for them, granted with concession but he believes in what he's selling. Wasting money on a dedicated aircraft for themselves when they can charge others for it is simple business sense, and its what Ryanair are good at.

Quoting anstar (Reply 15):
It will be interesting to see how this works out for them. They are not known for being a premium airline so trying to sell this premium offering might be difficult.

To consumers, yes. Companies willing to pay to charter aircraft, nope. They're looking for the best price for a good quality product. I don't think they'll have any difficulty putting it to use.



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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:08 pm

Quoting NYPECO (Reply 22):
Maybe they can squeeze two passengers in a seat.

Brilliant! That's how to get 8 across in a 737.

Seriously though, there's probably a good market for sports, tour and other charters for a configuration like this. Doesn't need to be palatial, but much nicer than the typical Y.

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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:04 am

Corporate Jet? Nice looking F class style setup but corporate jet? I don't think it qualifies. Have a look at BBJ or GLEX interior. There's your corporate jet.
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:06 am

This will be used for weekend sports traffic. Ryanair are sweating their assets.

Where are the learjets based, and who operates them for Ryanair?
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:12 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 26):
Where are the learjets based, and who operates them for Ryanair?

A) STN, BGY and the third possibly elsewhere
B) Ryanair

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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:18 am

Had no idea there is a demand for charters for basketball teams in Europe!!!
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:40 am

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 25):
Corporate Jet? Nice looking F class style setup but corporate jet? I don't think it qualifies. Have a look at BBJ or GLEX interior. There's your corporate jet.

Quite a few companies have operated aircraft with configurations similar to the FR 73G, often referring to them as "corporate shuttles".

Since it sounds like the aircraft is mainly intended for training, the 60-seat configuration makes sense. Apart from the new revenue opportunities when it's not being used for training (weekends etc.), the 60 2-2 seats are probably lighter than 149 3-3 seats in the usual FR configuration (149 is the maximum certified seating on the 73G, equivalent to the 189 seat configuration on FR's 738s, also the maximum permitted). So they're saving money on fuel when its used for training, and they don't need more than 60 seats for the secondary charter activities or for any internal corporate shuttle duties.
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:37 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
the 60 2-2 seats are probably lighter than 149 3-3 seats in the usual FR configuration

Does anyone know the approx weight for a typical business class seat vs an economy seat?
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:43 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 26):
Where are the learjets based, and who operates them for Ryanair?

As Aloges said, the Learjets are definitely operated by Ryanair themselves. I've seen them on Flightradar heading to/from DUB a few times, so if I had to guess where the third was based after STN and BGY, I'd say DUB. They have Isle of Man (M-XXXX) registrations and are non-commercial.
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:09 pm

Quoting eurowings (Reply 31):
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 26):Where are the learjets based, and who operates them for Ryanair?
As Aloges said, the Learjets are definitely operated by Ryanair themselves. I've seen them on Flightradar heading to/from DUB a few times, so if I had to guess where the third was based after STN and BGY, I'd say DUB. They have Isle of Man (M-XXXX) registrations and are non-commercial.

Not DUB-based but they do visit quite frequently.
 
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RE: FR Converts Only B737-700 To Corporate Jet

Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:22 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 12):
I can see this aircraft being in demand when football teams have to play in far-flung eastern European destinations.

Premiership footballers would probably refuse to travel in such spartan surroundings these days. The other problem would be that they would have to board by the rear stairs as their legs will only turn left on boarding an aircraft.

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