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Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:38 pm

With Emirates switching the lunch time service from 777 to A380 at BHX (Birmingham UK) at the end of March it got me thinking. How many airports with a regular A380 service have never had a regular 747 service? BHX has had the odd 747 cargo and government and even an Emirates A380 one off flight but no regular scheduled service. Probably not the first airport but there cann't be that many?
 
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:57 pm

Quoting Jack (Thread starter):
With Emirates switching the lunch time service from 777 to A380 at BHX (Birmingham UK) at the end of March it got me thinking. How many airports with a regular A380 service have never had a regular 747 service? BHX has had the odd 747 cargo and government and even an Emirates A380 one off flight but no regular scheduled service. Probably not the first airport but there cann't be that many?

You have to find an airport never having had a 747 for passenger service, at least not a 747-400. Even KEF would drop out of this group.
 
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:09 pm

Considering that the A380 is by some considered to be the *only* VLA, not sure what competition there could be.

The 748i? ....for the like, 3 airlines that have it?
None of whom are going to use it to introduce new int'l routes, nor likely fly it to places where no A380 has ever been.
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:50 pm

I never saw a sound definition of a VLA. To me it just doesn't make sense that a 744 is normally counted as VLA and 773ER not, the size differene is not that big. I even never saw anybody classifying the 779X as VLA.

Perhaps we should call A380 and 747 VQAs (Very Quad Aircraft)   

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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:08 pm

Quoting a350 (Reply 3):

I've never seen any definition that included the 744 as a VLA.

I agree with LAX772LR, from my understanding the A380 is the only VLA, with some definitions also including the 748 at a stretch.
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:30 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
I've never seen any definition that included the 744 as a VLA.

400 and more passengers, the Airbus definition.
 
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:48 pm

It would be a bit ludicrous to not call the Corsair 744s a VLA (582 seats now reduced to 533) when EK had spent 7 years operating A380s with far fewer seats (497 to 519 seats) but with that aircraft classified as a VLA.


As for BHX, I believe they did have regular 747 operations.... thinking Wardair. May not be described "scheduled" but weekly/fortnighly charter operations
 
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:20 pm

Did BHX not have regular B747 ops with PIA in the late 90s?
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:27 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 7):
Did BHX not have regular B747 ops with PIA in the late 90s?

I believe they did, but before that there was indeed Wardair to Canada with the 741/2. The A380 was not BHX's first VLA by thirty years.


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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:57 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 5):
400 and more passengers, the Airbus definition.

That would bring Cebu Pacific´s A333s into the VLA category... (436 seats.)
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:16 am

Quoting hilram (Reply 9):
That would bring Cebu Pacific´s A333s into the VLA category... (436 seats.)

Lion Air of Indonesia has beaten Cebu Pacific. The airline's A330-300s have 440 seats each.
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:49 am

Quoting a350 (Reply 3):
Perhaps we should call A380 and 747 VQAs (Very Quad Aircraft)

Very Quad? As opposed to somewhat quad? I guess you could call the A340-300 somewhat quad..  
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:24 am

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 11):
Quoting a350 (Reply 3):
Perhaps we should call A380 and 747 VQAs (Very Quad Aircraft)

Very Quad? As opposed to somewhat quad? I guess you could call the A340-300 somewhat quad..  

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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:37 am

Quoting tonystan (Reply 7):
Did BHX not have regular B747 ops with PIA in the late 90s?

BHX certainly had scheduled B747 service with Highland Express
 
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:17 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8):
Quoting tonystan (Reply 7):
Did BHX not have regular B747 ops with PIA in the late 90s?

I believe they did, but before that there was indeed Wardair to Canada with the 741/2

Two Wardair 747s at BHX in 1987/88.


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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:22 am

Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 13):
Quoting tonystan (Reply 7):
Did BHX not have regular B747 ops with PIA in the late 90s?

BHX certainly had scheduled B747 service with Highland Express

The sole Highland Express 747 (G-HIHO) is seen departing in the distance behind the Wardair 747 in the first photo in Reply 14 (it's mentioned in the caption).
 
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:22 am

Quoting hilram (Reply 9):
Quoting afterburner (Reply 10):

I cringe at the thought of stuffing 440 seats into a 77W.... And these folks manage to squeeze it into a 333 ! ARGH

I think the INTENT of the OP refers to any 747 (exc 747SP/combi). We can debate ad nauseum whether 773/77W/346 counts in the OP's mind.
 
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:59 am

IMO, a good question would be, which aircraft did not have scheduled 747 traffic in the last 15 years at the time it gets a new A380 route...
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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:38 am

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 11):
ery Quad? As opposed to somewhat quad? I guess you could call the A340-300 somewhat quad..  

The good ol' Connie comes to mind  

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RE: Airports With A380 As First VLA Service

Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:21 am

Wouldn't the new Doha airport fit this criteria?

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