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Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:07 am

Today AirlineRoute.net revealed the plans of Vanilla Air to enter the TPE - KIX market
On its Chinese Facebook page, AirlineRoute.net stated that:
By July 2016, there will be 13 carriers flying 26 flights daily between the cities

In 2015, the traveler count totaled at 2,335,805 (17.7% year-to-year increase), with the largest carrier being China Airlines
Current operators include Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, EVA Air, Japan Airlines, Jetstar Asia Airways, Jetstar Japan, Peach, Tigerair Taiwan, TransAsia Airways, and V Air
Carriers that will be entering the market soon include Far Eastern Air Transport, Philippine Airlines, Vanilla Air
A table was organized by Wikipedia users based on official data:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoyuan_International_Airport#Operations

This makes me wonder, what is the route with the largest number of operators (excluding codeshare carriers)?

[Edited 2016-03-14 01:15:03]
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:10 am

HKG-BKK
JFK-LHR
DXB-DOH
DXB-KWI
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:13 am

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 1):

HKG - BKK totals at 11 carriers
Quite impressive
However, the other routes all only have around 4-5 carriers
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:49 pm

6 carriers WN AA UA DL NK VX fly LAX-LAS.

Another one that comes to mind is LHR-JFK.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:28 pm

As of the currently published 2016 schedule + vanilla yes, KIXTPE will be number one: 3K, BR, CI, CX, FE, GE, GK, IT, JL, MM, PR, ZV

The rest of the top five follow accordingly (note that these counts include routes that have local traffic restrictions like QF on LAXJFK for example in addition to extremely infrequent scheduled tags):

NRTTPE: 11
JHGKMG: 11
KULSIN: 11
CGKKUL: 11

Other notable routes:

CPTJNB: 9
BKKHKG: 9
PVGTPE: 8
HKGNRT: 8
SINTPE: 7
AKLSYD: 7

LAXSEA: 6
LAXYVR: 6
CDGJFK: 6
CDGTLV: 6
JFKLAX: 5
JFKLHR: 5
LAXLHR: 5
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:35 pm

LHR-LAX is probably one of few +10hrs long routes with 5 carriers. BAx2, AAx2, VSx2, NZx1, UAx1.
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:42 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 4):
JFKLHR: 5
AA, BA, VS, DL and who else?

Answered below, KU, who have axed the route so it will soon be 4.

[Edited 2016-03-14 08:23:36]
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:43 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 1):
JFK-LHR
Quoting National757 (Reply 3):

Another one that comes to mind is LHR-JFK.

With the Kuwaiti Air exit, I think the only players left are BA AA DL VS, organized into 2 JVs. (UA is at EWR for the sake of semantics). Once you account for JVs, it's really just 3 players on NYC-LHR.

HKG-BKK is painfully crowded considering it's everyone's favorite 5th freedom tag route.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:48 pm

ICN-HKG has 10 airlines. Not the most served route in the world, but still quite a lot (including 6 full-service airlines).

Air India
Asiana Airlines
Cathay Pacific
Eastar Jet
Ethiopian Airlines
HK Express
Jeju Air
Jin Air
Korean Air
Thai Airways
Flown: 2L 7C 9E 9L AA AB AC AF AY AZ BA BR BX B6 CA CO CP CX DL EK EY JL KE KL LA LH LX MQ NW OZ PD RW SQ TG TP TR TS US WG WN WS XE XJ
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:43 pm

Quoting RRTrent (Reply 6):


AA, BA, VS, DL and who else?

Answered below, KU, who have axed the route so it will soon be 4.

Considering AA/BA and DL/VS have immunized JV's, its essentially 2 carriers. Semantics, I know.  
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:14 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 4):
CPTJNB: 9

Not so sure.

South African Airways, Mango, BA/Comair, Kulula and FlySafair are the only ones currently with scheduled nonstop service on this route.
FlyBlueCrane can be nr 6, although with 1-stop service

Only Singapore Airlines and Ethiopian currently also fly this route as tag, but do not carry local traffic. Turkish will again for NS16, so that will make it 9 then...but only 6 being bookable.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:57 pm

Quoting GRJGeorge (Reply 10):
Not so sure.

South African Airways, Mango, BA/Comair, Kulula and FlySafair are the only ones currently with scheduled nonstop service on this route.
FlyBlueCrane can be nr 6, although with 1-stop service

Only Singapore Airlines and Ethiopian currently also fly this route as tag, but do not carry local traffic. Turkish will again for NS16, so that will make it 9 then...but only 6 being bookable.

I didn't audit any of this stuff I just put down what's scheduled, admittedly inclusive of carriers who don't have local traffic rights -

CPTJNB:

- British Airways
- Skywise
- Ethiopian
- Airlink
- Mango
- Comair
- South African
- Singapore
- Turkish
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:04 pm

GRU-EZE:
G3, JJ, 4M, AR, AU, TK, QR

GRU-MAD:
JJ, IB, CA, UX
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:07 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 11):
CPTJNB:

- British Airways
- Skywise
- Ethiopian
- Airlink
- Mango
- Comair
- South African
- Singapore
- Turkish

Should wholly-owned subsidiaries count as a separate airline ? e.g. Mango vs. SAA. What about country-specific franchisee of the same group ? e.g. AirAsia CountryA vs. AirAsia CountryB vs. AirAsiaX Country C ?

And if we define unique airline at the AOC level, a U.S. regional route is served by multiple regional partners under the same parent, e.g. UAX ExpressJet vs. UAX Republic vs. UAX ShuttleAmerica, is that 1 airline or 3 ?
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:17 pm

OK guys 1 stop service between cities is not CPT-JNB. Only CPT-JMB would make sense based on the title. If we count 1 stops every carrier flying between LGA-DCA with a stop in say ORD would count.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:29 pm

Quoting winGl3t (Reply 12):
GRU-EZE:
G3, JJ, 4M, AR, AU, TK, QR

Etihad already got authorization for GRU-EZE also.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:16 pm

DAC-KUL 6

MH, AK, OD, BG, RX, 4H
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:27 pm

I had always heard that TPE-HKG was the heaviest travelled route by passengers. Perhaps not by number of carriers. I have no idea how many fly it.
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:08 pm

Many sun routes in Spain have also numerous carriers, even if some are seasonal and in low frequencies. Notably Manchester. London of course would come ahead with all the airports combined, but having 6 commercial airports does not help for this counting.

For instance:

PMI-MAN 8: Condor, EasyJet, Jet2, Monarch, Ryanair, Small Planet Airlines, Thomson Airways, Thomas Cook Airlines

TFS-MAN 8: Condor, EasyJet, Jet2, Monarch, Ryanair, Thomson Airways, Thomas Cook Airlines, Vueling

I am sure there are more and some odd ones.

[Edited 2016-03-14 14:09:41]
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:39 pm

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
This makes me wonder, what is the route with the largest number of operators (excluding codeshare carriers)?

are we counting charter carriers too?....HAV-MIA has quite a few with more to come.
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:53 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 17):

I had always heard that TPE-HKG was the heaviest travelled route by passengers. Perhaps not by number of carriers. I have no idea how many fly it.

With 6,885,755 passengers in 2015, TPE-HKG is the heaviest when being compared to other international routes. However, the route is less busy than some domestic routes, such as the one between Seoul and Jeju.

TPE-HKG does not have that many carriers, however, as the air rights agreement caps the number of airlines and only allows BR, CI, CX, HX, KA to fly between the cities.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:22 am

CHC - SYD
Air NZ
Virgin Australia
Jetstar
Qantas
Emirates
China Airlines (seasonal)
"Pride of the pacific"
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:29 am

Quoting kaichinshih (Reply 20):
With 6,885,755 passengers in 2015, TPE-HKG is the heaviest when being compared to other international routes. However, the route is less busy than some domestic routes, such as the one between Seoul and Jeju.

Seoul-Jeju is the world's busiest air route.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:50 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
LAXSEA: 6
LAXYVR: 6
CDGJFK: 6
CDGTLV: 6
JFKLAX: 5
JFKLHR: 5
LAXLHR: 5

DENLAX: 6, AA, UA, WN, F9, DL, NK,

soon

DENMSP: 6, UA, WN, F9, DL, NK, SY

DENSEA, DENPHX and DENDTW have 5 carriers.

 

[Edited 2016-03-14 20:51:49]
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:08 am

Quoting winginit (Reply 4):
CDGJFK: 6

  

AF, DL, AA, and ____??
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:21 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 24):

Are BA still doing it through Open Skies?
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:42 am

CGK-SIN: GA, SQ, Lion Air, Batik Air, Indonesia AirAsia, Jetstar Asia, Tigerair, AF (ends 26 March 2016).
DPS-SIN: GA, SQ, MI, KL, Indonesia AirAsia, Jetstar, Jetstar Asia, Tigerair
CGK-KUL: GA, MH, KL, AirAsia, Indonesia AirAsia, Lion Air, Malindo Air, Kuwait Airways (ends 28 March 2016).
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:43 am

DEL-BLR - 7
9W, AI, 6E, SG, UK, G8 and I5

DEL/BOM-DXB - 6
EK, AI, 9W, 6E, FZ & SG
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:48 am

Chicago-New York has six carriers: AA, UA, DL, WN, NK, and B6, when you take into account that WN serves only MDW, while B6 only serves ORD from JFK. While some of the carriers also serve JFK and/or EWR, AA, UA, DL, and NK all fly ORD-LGA.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:57 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
LHR-LAX is probably one of few +10hrs long routes with 5 carriers. BAx2, AAx2, VSx2, NZx1, UAx1.

The ~14 hour SYD-LAX route also has 5: QF, AA, UA, DL, VA

PEK-HGH has 8: CA, GJ, JD, MF, HU, MU, CZ, FM
CKG-PEK has 7: CZ, OQ, SC, 3U, CA, HU, MU
CKG-WUH has 7: CZ, PN, MF, MU, CA, 3U, OQ
SIN-DPS has 7: QZ, MI, TR, JQ, SQ, GA, KL
NRT-MNL has 6: PR, 5J, 3K, JL, NH, DL
HND-PVG has 6: MU, JL, NH, FM, 9C, HO

SIN-BKK has 5: TR, 3K, SQ, TG, CX
BKK-SGN has 5: VN, TG, VJ, BL, 9W
DMK-HKT has 5: FD, DD, WE, OX, SL
There's several domestic Chinese routes that have 5 carriers on them.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:19 am

Quoting nzrich (Reply 21):
CHC - SYD
Air NZ
Virgin Australia
Jetstar
Qantas
Emirates
China Airlines (seasonal)

Auckland - Sydney

Air New Zealand
Virgin Australia
Qantas
Jetstar
Emirates
LAN
China Airlines

Which are an mix of 738/320/767/330/744/380/772/77W/788/789
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:20 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 23):
DENSEA, DENPHX and DENDTW have 5 carriers.

And last I checked all 5 airlines have a flight between 8:00 and 8:15am on DEN-SEA.

(1) 8:00 F9
(2) 8:05 AS, DL (OO)
(1) 8:07 UA
(1) 8:15 WN
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:53 am

Quoting darksnowynight (Reply 25):
Are BA still doing it through Open Skies?

That's EWR, not JFK
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:51 am

ex-HKG


TYO: NH, CX, KA, ET, UO, JL, GK, JW
ICN: AI, OZ, CX, ZE, ET, UO, 7C, LJ, KE, TG
BKK/DMK: CX, O8, EK, HX, KQ, OX, UL, FD, RJ
KIX: AI, NH, CX, GK, UO, MM
SIN: CX, 3K, TZ, SQ, TR, UA

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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:13 am

Quoting winginit (Reply 11):
CPTJNB:

- British Airways
- Skywise
- Ethiopian
- Airlink
- Mango
- Comair
- South African
- Singapore
- Turkish

SkyWise closed down
Airlink does not operate the route
BA and Comair in this sense is the same airline, however presume Kulula to be the other.
Yes Mango is part of SAA group and Kulula is part of Comair group, however they all operate as totally different airlines.
FlySafair needs to be included in that list.
Quoting rbavfan (Reply 14):
OK guys 1 stop service between cities is not CPT-JNB. Only CPT-JMB would make sense based on the title. If we count 1 stops every carrier flying between LGA-DCA with a stop in say ORD would count.

True, but you're talking about changing planes. In this case with FlyBlueCrane it's a same-plane service with 30minute stop at either BFN or KIM where JNB-CPT pax does not disembark.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:31 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 24):

Quoting winginit (Reply 4):
CDGJFK: 6

  

AF, DL, AA, and ____?

XL France, La Compagnie, Norwegian?
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:41 pm

DAL/DFW-LAX has AA*,DL*, NK*, WN**, UA*, VA**

* - DFW
** - DAL.

I know it is two airports, but if you're going to consider EWR and JFK as one market, these two are only about 20 miles apart. Note that DL and UA services above are mostly, if not completely, on "Express" carriers (Compass for Delta and Skywest for United).
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:04 pm

If you count city pairs, then London would become a top contender.

For instance PMI-LON 10

British Airways: LHR
BA CityFlyer: LCY, STN
Easyjet: LGW, LTN, SEN, STN
Iberia Express: LHR
Monarch: LGW, LTN
Norwegian: LGW
Ryanair: STN
Thomas Cook: LGW, STN
Thomson: LGW, LTN, STN
Volotea: SEN
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:22 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 37):
If you count city pairs, then London would become a top contender.

In that case you have DUB-LON

EI, BA, FR, WX, BE, RE, CJ, FX (FX is a bit pedantic I know... but anything to boost numbers )
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:42 pm

LAX-NYC is probably one within the USA.
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:56 pm

Which route would have the most flights a day?
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:03 pm

Quoting ilari (Reply 40):

Which route would have the most flights a day?

CGH-SDU
Not sure until when it's going to be 1st due to the bad shape of brazilian economy.

source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_passenger_air_routes
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:05 pm

Quoting ilari (Reply 40):
Which route would have the most flights a day?

Average Daily Round Trip Departures for 2015:
CJU-GMP 103
MEL-SYD 78
CTS-HND 65
CGH-SDU 63
FUK-HND 61
BOM-DEL 60
CGK-SUB 53
LAX-SFO 53
CPT-JNB 49
BNE-SYD 47
HAN-SGN 45
MCM-NCE 44
KUL-SIN 43
LGA-ORD 40
PEK-SHA 40
HKG-TPE 40
CGK-DPS 39
CGK-SIN 38
CGK-UPG 38
BOG-MDE 38
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:17 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
LHR-LAX is probably one of few +10hrs long routes with 5 carriers. BAx2, AAx2, VSx2, NZx1, UAx1.
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 29):
The ~14 hour SYD-LAX route also has 5: QF, AA, UA, DL, VA

LAX-NRT also is right around the 10-hour mark (depending on equipment and schedule), and it currently sees six carriers: AA, DL, JL, NH, SQ, UA
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:44 pm

Quoting GRJGeorge (Reply 34):
BA and Comair in this sense is the same airline, however presume Kulula to be the other.
Yes Mango is part of SAA group and Kulula is part of Comair group, however they all operate as totally different airlines.

I've always understood that Kulula and "British Airways operated by Comair" (which is how the company describes it) were two brands of the one airline, rather than two airlines, and there is only one AOC, one set of postholders, and the two brands are not separate companies.
http://www.comair.co.za/Media/Comair/files/2015/Annual-Report-2015.pdf
Note that while there appears to be a separate Kulula company, in practice this is nowadays just the subsidiary that operates the SLOW airport lounge business in South Africa.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:53 pm

The NYC to Dallas market has: AA, UA. DL, WN and VX for a total of 5.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:18 pm

Kind of a local answer but it also counts in the 5 category.

MEX-CUN (Aeromexico, Volaris, Interjet, VivaAerobus, Magnicharters)

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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:35 pm

Miami-Aruba has five airlines - American Airlines, Aruba Airlines, Insel Air Aruba, Surinam Airways and Tiara Air.
a.
 
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:04 pm

Quoting RRTrent (Reply 38):
In that case you have DUB-LON

EI, BA, FR, WX, BE, RE, CJ, FX (FX is a bit pedantic I know... but anything to boost numbers&nbsp Wink

BE doesn't operate LCY-DUB anymore, and RE doesn't operate SEN-DUB anymore either. Who's FX?
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RE: Route With Most Airlines?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:30 pm

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 45):
The NYC to Dallas market has: AA, UA. DL, WN and VX for a total of 5.

I forgot about NK for a total of 6

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