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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:55 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 96):
It will be fun to see the first A320 of JQ go tech in RAR, will ANZES help them or will they need to fly an rescue crew up to fix the plane.

This rivalry that people seem to think airlines have against each other. I don't know whether JQ have stationed their own engineer in Raro but it's entirely possible Air New Zealand has been contracted to provide line maintenance services just like umpteen different airlines do all over the world. Engineering is a business unit and more customers (even if they are competitors) equals more revenue streams.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:21 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 99):
Given the bus contract situation in Auckland they probably won't even need to bring them in from very far away....

They already have the ex Melbourne airport bendy buses driving around the tarmac - they forgot that you would still be able to see the red roof from the termiaml looking down at them.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:01 am

The Air NZ website schedule has a 77W on 23 Sep for NZ30 AKL-EZE 2005/1645, NZ31 EZE-AKL 2359/0535. There's Argentina v All Blacks in Argentina on 01 Oct.

Also, there's no NZ30 / NZ31 on Sun 21 Aug, it operates on Mon 22 Aug instead, as well as the usual Tu Fr Su. This coincides with the end of the Rio Olympics (Fri 05 Aug to Sun 21 Aug).

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:25 am

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 100):
I don't know whether JQ have stationed their own engineer in Raro but it's entirely possible Air New Zealand has been contracted to provide line maintenance

JQ will not be getting assistance on a competitive route for NZ by their main competition. Incidentally it was operated by VH-VFV with sharklets and special livery this morning RAR-AKL had 45 passengers so hopefully JQ will pull out before long as they did with CNS/ADL

Quoting PA515 (Reply 102):
The Air NZ website schedule has a 77W on 23 Sep for NZ30 AKL-EZE 2005/1645, NZ31 EZE-AKL 2359/0535. There's Argentina v All Blacks in Argentina on 01 Oct.


I had potentially and inadvertently planned on that day/week before I settled upon LAN. Glad I didn't go on the 23rd. It'll be chock full with ABs and supporters and almost guaranteed to be an aircraft I have flown before (ZK-OKQ).
Thankfully I leave Argentina before the game for elsewhere in South America. I'm glad I went ahead and booked my hotel etc early though.

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 95):
What are the chances that NZ orders more 789 aircraft? Or even the 778, or 779?

I expect more 787s to replace the 77E and more 77Ws. before the 778/A350. I reckon it will end up being a fleet of 9-10 77Ws and 18-20 789s before the 778s would likely be delivered.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:00 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 103):
JQ will not be getting assistance on a competitive route for NZ by their main competition

Who do you think did JQ line maintenance for years here.......? As I said above, I don't know about the specifics of Raro but Air New Zealand has certainly previously carried out JQs line maintenance functions.

As an aside, who do you think maintains the Jetconnect aircraft used to compete against Air New Zealand? Why Air New Zealand of course!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:35 am

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 104):
Who do you think did JQ line maintenance for years here

I'm aware, but JQ have their own engineering now. It is far more likely that JQ will position a service engineer to RAR for just a few flights a week, especially given the official company stance of the last few years by NZ.... the focus has shifted away from merely revenue from contracting.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 104):
As an aside, who do you think maintains the Jetconnect aircraft used to compete against Air New Zealand? Why Air New Zealand of course!

Yes I'm aware of this fact too - possibly you aren't familiar with my current job.. . JQ gained the contract at a time when Air New Zealand handled QF in AKL in all facets. QF/NZ parted ways in terms of Airport Handling so NZ could focus on assisting VA. I expect Engineering in time to follow once their contract comes up for renewal and Menzies have enough of their own engineering department to cope
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:05 pm

Quoting 77west (Reply 97):
also think a few extra 789 in a more premium config could replace a few of the 77E.

these might start arriving about the same time as the TEN engine is available. Lower max passenger load and improved range could be useful combination
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:45 pm

[quote][For the second half of 2015/16, Qantas said it would add two Boeing 717-200s to the fleet, while three Q300 turboprops would be transferred from QantasLink to Jetstar’s regional operations in New Zealand.
- http://australianaviation.com.au/201...neo-delivery-end-of-calendar-2017/
/quote]

Noticed this at the bottom on this from last month, does this mean Jetstar will increase to 7x Q300s this year?

Wonder if it will be extra routes or extra capacity on current routes?

Surely they would want to get in on the AKL-TRG market, NZ seems to be doing pretty well there with ATR's now on peak services.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:38 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 107):
Noticed this at the bottom on this from last month, does this mean Jetstar will increase to 7x Q300s this year?
Wonder if it will be extra routes or extra capacity on current routes?
Surely they would want to get in on the AKL-TRG market, NZ seems to be doing pretty well there with ATR's now on peak services.

If 3 more q300s are transferred JQ would have 8 in total as 5 were to be transferred to propstar NZ (3 at the end of 2015 and 2 in early 2016) when the regional services where announced. However the article states 3 will be added in the second half of the 2015/2016 financial year which I take to mean the 2 that were added Jan/Feb 2016 + 1 additional aircraft.

Other options for routes might be expanding from WLG as currently they only service NSN from there. Perhaps NPE-WLG and NPL-WLG, both of which wouldn't require any new ports to be set up, but still are likely to be profitable routes. WLG-HLZ might also be on the cards as HLZ was one of JQ's possible 7 destinations. A long shot would be setting up services through CHC (i.e NSN-CHC and CHC-IVC). Also considering that TRG wasn't on their original destinations up for consideration (Tauranga council presented to JQ anyway) AKL-ROT might be more likely to commence first if JQ wants to continue to expand its AKL base.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:22 am

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 108):
A long shot would be setting up services through CHC

I am ever hopeful! However as we all know regional gate space is pretty tight at CHC. It's a shame though, some regional routes from CHC have the highest capacity without JQ service

These figures show the number of weekly seats (return) on each route the week starting April 4th

CHC-DUD = 7046
CHC-IVC = 6460
CHC-ZQN = 6478
CHC-NSN = 4470

And below - the figures for other route ideas that have been tossed around

AKL-TRG = 4098
AKL-ROT = 2000
WLG-HLZ = 4942
WLG-NPL = 2300
WLG-NPE = 3386
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:31 am

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 109):
I am ever hopeful! However as we all know regional gate space is pretty tight at CHC. It's a shame though, some regional routes from CHC have the highest capacity without JQ service

I wonder how that would work in CHC? didn't NZ make an decent investment in the CHC airport rebuild towards the regional gate space? Would Jetstar be allowed to use these gates or would they have to build there own.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:11 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 107):
Noticed this at the bottom on this from last month, does this mean Jetstar will increase to 7x Q300s this year?

No, they're talking about "the second half of 2015/16" (01 Jan 2016 to 30 Jun 2016).

The Q300 information in the Australian Aviation article is from:
"Qantas 2015/16 Half Year Results - Supplementary Slides"
Slide 13, 'Fleet as at 31 December 2015'

http://asx.com.au/asxpdf/20160223/pdf/4357whlrdkq355.pdf

It says two Q300s had been transferred from QantasLink to Jetstar as at 31 December 2015, and another three would be transferred in the second half of the 2015/16 financial year. This was incorrect as three Q300s had been transferred by 31 Dec 2015 with two left to be transferred in the second half.

VH-TQM arrived AKL 06 Nov 2015
VH-SBI arrived AKL 21 Nov 2015
VH-TQL arrived AKL 23 Nov 2015

VH-TQD arrived AKL 15 Jan 2016
VH-TQK arrived AKL 25 Jan 2016

Also footnote 5 of the slide says a QantasLink Q300 has been withdrawn for sale, probably VH-SBJ which has not flown for some time.

So, no more Q300s for JQ before 30 Jun 2016, but they could decide to add some after 01 Jul 2016.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:23 am

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 109):
These figures show the number of weekly seats (return) on each route the week starting April 4th

What is the source of these figures as I'd be interested at looking at the traffic on other regional routes around the country

I don't think we'll see JQ setting up CHC-DUD or CHC-ZQN with Q300s, as A320's would be much easier for them if the demand is there particularly considering the Q300s can be used on other routes where A320s require too much runway or would incur additional security costs
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:48 am

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 112):
I don't think we'll see JQ setting up CHC-DUD or CHC-ZQN with Q300s, as A320's would be much easier for them if the demand is there particularly considering the Q300s can be used on other routes where A320s require too much runway or would incur additional security costs


Didn't JQ already try both ZQN-CHC and DUD-CHC in the past with an A320, both didn't last to long?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:49 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 113):

Didn't JQ already try both ZQN-CHC and DUD-CHC in the past with an A320, both didn't last to long?

They tried ZQN-CHC but not DUD-CHC. ZQN-CHC lasted until 2014/15.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:12 am

Quoting Sylus (Reply 114):
They tried ZQN-CHC but not DUD-CHC. ZQN-CHC lasted until 2014/15.

Didn't someone try running AKL-CHC-DUD at one stage? then changed it to AKL-DUD direct? maybe it was Pacific Blue that tried that option.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:54 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 115):
Didn't someone try running AKL-CHC-DUD at one stage? then changed it to AKL-DUD direct? maybe it was Pacific Blue that tried that option.

It was Pacific Blue. They did AKL-CHC-DUD Jul 2008 to Aug 2009. Then AKL-DUD Aug 2009 to Sep 2010.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:54 am

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 112):
What is the source of these figures as I'd be interested at looking at the traffic on other regional routes around the country

Sorry, I should've posted the source with my original post

I just painstakingly used NZ's online schedules and counted up all the flights operated by each aircraft type. It took a while, but I was sitting in WLG with time to waste http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/sched...td.aspx?countrycode=NZ&language=EN

Quoting Sylus (Reply 114):
ZQN-CHC lasted until 2014/15.

I still think this would be an ideal route for JQ's Q300s, they would able to add greater frequency without (as much) excess capacity. Plus they're now more established in the domestic market, and aren't plagued with quite so many on time performance issues. Does anyone know if JQ would have to do anything to their Q300s to be able to operate them into ZQN (i.e. RNP) or is there nothing stopping from using them to the airport?

I would also love to see the Q300s bolstering JQ's frequency on their new WLG-DUD route

Quoting PA515 (Reply 116):
It was Pacific Blue. They did AKL-CHC-DUD Jul 2008 to Aug 2009.

To be fair, Pacific Blue was using a much larger aircraft than a Q300
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:58 am

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 117):
Does anyone know if JQ would have to do anything to their Q300s to be able to operate them into ZQN (i.e. RNP) or is there nothing stopping from using them to the airport?

Don't think RNP is available on the Q300, NZ are currently in the process of getting RNP on the 72-600 fleet. They would most likely require special pilot training needed to operate into ZQN on visual approach/departure.

Is there an reason why NZ doesn't use the Q300 into ZQN? they still to only use the A320 and the 72-500/600s into ZQN.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:08 pm

One route I would like to see JQ expand on from WLG is CHC. Currently JQ have upto 3x daily A320. Would love to see JQ get Q400s. NZ clearly feel that a bigger ATR fleet is going to work and the demand will be there with Q300s taking over 1900D's and ATRs taking over Q300 routes. Yes some routes have seen a reduction in services but JQ is causing a regional spike in travel and extra competition from JQ with further Q300s and a fleet of Q400s will certainly help the markets and return service levels to what they were before NZ started reducing services
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:25 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 118):
NZ are currently in the process of getting RNP on the 72-600 fleet

what specialized equipment is needed to enable RNP in the ATR fleet?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:22 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 120):
what specialized equipment is needed to enable RNP in the ATR fleet?

The ATR 72-600 already comes RNP AR ready, (Its apart of the navigation) but it needs the airline to invest into it before it can be used. For example crew training and designing the RNP AR flight paths aren't cheap, its costing NZ $25Milion to enable it in the -600s.

RNP for the Q300 would be provided the aircraft are able to meet the required hardware or be retro fitted with it, currrently JQ Q300 only have CAT B which has already casused them some issues in AKL.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:13 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 78):
The AIr NZ AKL-IAH will be a Daily 77E from 05 Dec 2016 to 04 Feb 2017.
NZ28 AKL-IAH 1920/1340, NZ29 IAH-AKL 1950/0555.

The 50 min later departure time will make ADL and PER connections easier. Also, the AKL-IAH flight time is reduced 25 min to 13 hrs 20 min, and IAH-AKL is reduced 05 min to 15 hrs 05 min.

Good to see, all the rumours suggested that it was doing well. Makes sense to go daily for the business traffic through to NY and east coast destinations (business prefers frequency for flexibility). I guess they have the route worked out now and possibly a few extra tricks at each end to shorten the journey time slightly. Good to have better connections with ADL and PER too.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 80):
I've added extra HKG and YVR capacity LAX 15 weekly.
Reduced NRT with KIX coming back but there maybe an addition of ANA from HND in a J/V?
Changed EZE to a 789 and increased to 5 weekly.
Added a new 3 weekly service to MNL with 789.

I don't think we will see YVR more than daily except for the odd day around the xmas/NY holiday period/1st week of Jan. With UA starting up SFO with good connections to most Canadian cities (and at good prices) I expect there to be slightly less demand (or rather less growth) in the direct YVR service.
(on a side note, not sure if it has been mentioned on here but UA have confirmed that they are looking to have a full revenue share agreement in place for SFO with NZ).

KIX is additional to NRT and I don't expect NRT to reduce as a result - Japan is growing as a market again (finally).
MNL would be a great addition - particularly if it connects with the EZE service.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:36 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 122):
(on a side note, not sure if it has been mentioned on here but UA have confirmed that they are looking to have a full revenue share agreement in place for SFO with NZ).

Not just revenue sharing, and not just on SFO. They are looking at having a full JV with Air New Zealand on all New Zealand - USA routes.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:57 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 123):
Not just revenue sharing, and not just on SFO. They are looking at having a full JV with Air New Zealand on all New Zealand - USA routes

Well that would certainly help if NZ were to add on another destination (DEN). I wonder if they could/would extend this to Australia services too.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:33 am

Latest AIrbus announcement gives a 325 pax A350-900 an additional 500nm of range from 2020. It's looking kind of interesting as a candidate for the 77E replacement - a notch above the 789 in capacity, payload/range less constrained for central/eastern USA, lower weight and cost than 778. JFK anyone?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:15 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 124):
if NZ were to add on another destination (DEN).

DEN will be difficult in my view with the takeoff weight limitation westbound.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:19 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 126):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 124):
if NZ were to add on another destination (DEN).

DEN will be difficult in my view with the takeoff weight limitation westbound

How limited are we talking though? Remembering that it would be departing at night when temperatures are lower and DEN has some pretty long runways...
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:02 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 127):
How limited are we talking though? Remembering that it would be departing at night when temperatures are lower and DEN has some pretty long runways...

Don't forget there are brake energy and tire speed limits that are effective around 11000 to 12000ft. runway length.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:34 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 127):
Remembering that it would be departing at night when temperatures are lower and DEN has some pretty long runways...

Isn't DEN also pretty high in Altitude?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:56 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 124):
Well that would certainly help if NZ were to add on another destination (DEN).

For what it's worth, I think DEN would be a terrific addition to the network.

It's a two season tourist heaven, both summer and winter, for the winter sports. It's in the top ten busiest US airports (variously #5 or #6) and is a United hub. It caters to the tourist economic spectrum, from Aspen for the very (very) rich to much more reasonably priced resorts.

If it's technically possible, I think it would be a laydown misere.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:00 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 130):
If it's technically possible, I think it would be a laydown misere.

Sorry, a what ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:16 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 131):
Sorry, a what ?

Old Kiwi, from the card game Five Hundred, which used to be ubiquitous in NZ - and still is among those that still play cards

Misere is when you bid to win no tricks. Lay Down Misere is when you hand is so weak you bid to win no tricks and then lay down your hand, face up because you are so sure. It scores maximum points.

http://www.slang-dictionary.org/Lay_down_misere

"something that is a certainty"

In other words, a dead cert, or in Amercian-ese, a slam dunk.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:06 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 129):

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 127):
Remembering that it would be departing at night when temperatures are lower and DEN has some pretty long runways...

Isn't DEN also pretty high in Altitude?

This is the main reason for the weight limitation.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 128):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 127):
How limited are we talking though? Remembering that it would be departing at night when temperatures are lower and DEN has some pretty long runways...

Don't forget there are brake energy and tire speed limits that are effective around 11000 to 12000ft. runway length.

So with a night departure and taking into account those limits how much of a hit are we looking at?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:56 am

Air New Zealand are reviewing their stake in Virgin following last weeks announcement of a $425m loan from Virgins 4 largest shareholders.

Virgin shares have been put on hold on the ASX.
More to come...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...kl--air-nz-reviews-stake-in-virgin

[Edited 2016-03-29 18:59:17]
What?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:59 am

Air NZ CEO has resigned from the Virgin board effective immediately...
What?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:25 am

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 135):

Air NZ CEO has resigned from the Virgin board effective immediately...

Interesting times. I guess at the end of the day NZ wanted to probably own half of the airline and with 2 other large airlines + other shareholders they didn't get the influence they were hoping for (coupled with VA's ongoing lack of decent profits).
I think they should perhaps still hold a small but significant stake (say 11% as a blocking stake to ensure VA is a friend rather than foe).
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:04 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 136):
Interesting times. I guess at the end of the day NZ wanted to probably own half of the airline and with 2 other large airlines + other shareholders they didn't get the influence they were hoping for (coupled with VA's ongoing lack of decent profits).

I guess having been bitten badly when previous management of NZ failed to do a proper due diligence before increasing their stake in AN they are understandably cautious about furthering their investment in another potentially risky enterprise.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:06 am

Does Air NZ still own the rights to the Ansett name and or brand?
What?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:46 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 137):
I guess having been bitten badly when previous management of NZ failed to do a proper due diligence before increasing their stake in AN they are understandably cautious about furthering their investment in another potentially risky enterprise.

It has been starting to look more and more like Ansett, and the Financial Review reminds us that Luxon had been concerned for some time - but more concerned than was known.

http://www.afr.com/business/transpor...in-australia-stake-20160330-gnu0fw

"Luxon has previously been critical of Virgin's strategy, saying in February 2015 that it was time for the airline to "get profitable". He said in a statement on Wednesday that he was supportive of the transformation of Virgin under chief executive John Borghetti.

But sources say privately Luxon has been highly critical of Virgin's financial performance and had been agitating for Borghetti to step down."


Perhaps they should have listened to him about Borghetti, but in any event it's tough to see this as a vote of confidence in Virgin's immediate financial future.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:47 am

The shareholding makes no sense now when NZ essentially needed to loan the money for VA to upgrades their 77W fleet only to compete with themselves and UA. The talk about cooperation on the US and Pacific Island routes never eventuated.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:55 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 140):
The shareholding makes no sense now when NZ essentially needed to loan the money for VA to upgrades their 77W fleet only to compete with themselves and UA. The talk about cooperation on the US and Pacific Island routes never eventuated.

Agreed - I wonder if they might look at getting back into the Australia to North America non-stop routes again? with there new partnership with UA they could pretty much pickup an large apart of the market. That 440million that they could get from selling the shares could probably go towards a couple of extra used 77W to expand there own services.


Could it be that we see NZ starting more of its own services ex-Australia?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:02 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 140):
The shareholding makes no sense now when NZ essentially needed to loan the money for VA to upgrades their 77W fleet only to compete with themselves and UA. The talk about cooperation on the US and Pacific Island routes never eventuated.

The investment decisions NZ made were odd in general here though.

It upped its exposure in VA over time even when the airline was still struggling to gain traction and then tried hard to push for changes it wanted to see made.

I am sorry to say though that it appears that NZ does not quite get the Australian market. It has now had 2 bites (AN and VA) and neither has really turned out as expected. It wants more say on things but even then will it be able to get any further success? There aren't that many options left, other than making Tiger the vehicle of choice for growth.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:21 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 142):
The investment decisions NZ made were odd in general here though.

It upped its exposure in VA over time even when the airline was still struggling to gain traction and then tried hard to push for changes it wanted to see made.

I see Rob Fyfe made the decision to invest in VA 1) to block EY from entering the New Zealand market; and 2) to get SQ to work with them in a JV.

Now EY is no longer a threat given two of ME3 are flying direct to AKL anyway. SQ alliance is stable and profitable. The investment is no longer strategically relevant. You could argue the investment have allowed NZ to enjoy many years of profits without the interferencce of SQ and EY.

I wonder what reaction SQ will take given they are also indirectly helping VA/DL alliance.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:32 am

This goes to what I was saying earlier, either buy it out completely and run it like you want to, or get rid of it altogether.

Where did VA go so wrong though, as defacto monopolistic duo with QF?

I have only flow with them twice, and was not terribly impressed, but just assumed it was that particular crew.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:32 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 142):
There aren't that many options left, other than making Tiger the vehicle of choice for growth.

Or getting their hands dirty themselves....
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:33 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 143):
I wonder what reaction SQ will take given they are also indirectly helping VA/DL alliance.

Maybe VA will tap on DL on the shoulder to take over NZ's stake
What?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:59 am

NZ are in a real bind... they can't afford to get caught in another AN disaster, but they need the Australian market - and without a domestic partner within AU to bring a frequent flyer base they risk losing share not just on the Tasman, but on a substantial portion of their international network - it is highly unlikely they could maintain their growth to/from the Americas ( or even their current level of services) without AU feed.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:59 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 96):
It will be fun to see the first A320 of JQ go tech in RAR

Why?

Quoting zkncj (Reply 96):
AKL-RAR on JQ sounds like fun!

As compared to Y in an Air New Zealand 777? I think I'd rather get there via Kayak.  
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 103):
operated by VH-VFV with sharklets

The good news is that we're going to be seeing a lot more JQ A320SLs at Auckland.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 111):
It says two Q300s had been transferred from QantasLink to Jetstar as at 31 December 2015, and another three would be transferred in the second half of the 2015/16 financial year. This was incorrect as three Q300s had been transferred by 31 Dec 2015 with two left to be transferred in the second half.

VH-TQM arrived AKL 06 Nov 2015
VH-SBI arrived AKL 21 Nov 2015
VH-TQL arrived AKL 23 Nov 2015

VH-TQD arrived AKL 15 Jan 2016
VH-TQK arrived AKL 25 Jan 2016

Right you are (as usual), PA515.  
Quoting Sylus (Reply 114):
ZQN-CHC lasted until 2014/15.

As I've no doubt mentioned before on this site, ZQN is a great place to avoid for airlines in the startup phase. Is there even any spare gate space there? Whenever I've been in it has been chocka.

Quoting tealnz (Reply 125):
It's looking kind of interesting as a candidate for the 77E replacement - a notch above the 789 in capacity, payload/range less constrained for central/eastern USA, lower weight and cost than 778. JFK anyone?

Yes please! (not that I fancy its chances)

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 134):
Air New Zealand are reviewing their stake in Virgin following last weeks announcement of a $425m loan from Virgins 4 largest shareholders.
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 136):
Interesting times. I guess at the end of the day NZ wanted to probably own half of the airline and with 2 other large airlines + other shareholders they didn't get the influence they were hoping for (coupled with VA's ongoing lack of decent profits).
I think they should perhaps still hold a small but significant stake (say 11% as a blocking stake to ensure VA is a friend rather than foe).
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 143):
Now EY is no longer a threat given two of ME3 are flying direct to AKL anyway. SQ alliance is stable and profitable. The investment is no longer strategically relevant. You could argue the investment have allowed NZ to enjoy many years of profits without the interferencce of SQ and EY.

I guess if they're going to sell all or part of their stake in VA the question is how will Air New Zealand play EY and SQ off against each other as they fight over it?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 174

Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:01 am

Quoting Planesmart (Reply 52):
The loan is to protect the major shareholders equity.

The original investment was defensive, in terms of limiting the current shareholders, and potentially others, ability to influence VA's direction.

In hindsight, I think it highly likely that two or more of those shareholders wished they didn't have an equity interest, and weren't funding a short-term loan, which may well need to increase in size if new equity isn't forthcoming, and continue way beyond 12 months.

Told you.

There is no way NZ wants more of VA.

Exiting puts a stop loss on any further loans or re-capitalisation.

Did NZ actually make their share of the loan?

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