Unlike D7, TZ have aircraft capable of reaching Europe right now, but they've stayed fairly close to home, focusing mostly on medium haul routes into Asia and Australia. Does anyone know if TZ are ever going to fly to Europe? It might not be luxurious, but if their prices are reasonable I'm sure they'd be able to draw some passengers.
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RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting MrHMSH (Thread starter): but if their prices are reasonable |
I think that's the issue. From the Far East to Europe fares are already quite low from the likes of the ME3. Any no-frills carrier will have to be marketly lower than them to be offer a serious chance of getting pax on board, especially once bag fees, meals etc have been added. I guess this is why Air Asia X, Oasis Hong Kong, Phuket Air etc failed on these long (+12 hour) sectors.
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RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
There was speculation in the local newspaper a few weeks ago that Scoot is planning to fly to Europe. This speculation was fuelled by the fact that Scoot is looking at adding crew rests to upcoming 787 deliveries.
http://business.asiaone.com/news/scoot-mulls-having-crew-bunks-planes
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RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
It's a nice idea as I have found Scoot a really good product for the price.
The issue would be that if it where to utilise a 787 on SIN-LHR/FRA/CDG etc return, it would be away from SIN for over 24 hours. During that time it could have turned around 2-4 short/medium haul legs and probably raised a lot more revenue.
The issue would be that if it where to utilise a 787 on SIN-LHR/FRA/CDG etc return, it would be away from SIN for over 24 hours. During that time it could have turned around 2-4 short/medium haul legs and probably raised a lot more revenue.
RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
AFAIK Scoot has issued tenders to several European airports and are having talks with them
RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting AVFCdownunder (Reply 3): The issue would be that if it where to utilise a 787 on SIN-LHR/FRA/CDG etc return, it would be away from SIN for over 24 hours. During that time it could have turned around 2-4 short/medium haul legs and probably raised a lot more revenue. |
The hub triangle is NOT where Scoot fits for Singapore Airlines Group.
Much more likely to go head to head with the ME3 and supplant mainline op's at the likes of Manchester/Barcelona/Copenhagen and yet to start Dusseldorf imo.
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RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5): The hub triangle is NOT where Scoot fits for Singapore Airlines Group. Much more likely to go head to head with the ME3 and supplant mainline op's at the likes of Manchester/Barcelona/Copenhagen and yet to start Dusseldorf imo. |
I totally agree, I don't see any way in which they could beat the ME3 in fares and still stay profitable at LHR, CDG or FRA. Maybe, they instead could try to supplement SQ service in areas that could support a non-stop at yields lower than those that SQ requires. I'm thinking TXL, BRU and certainly DUB and some UK cities. I wonder if they would be able to offer a competitive Kangaroo route product and if that'd cannibalize the SQ product.
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RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
SQ has not being doing quite so well lately. I doubt that they would want to dilute their customer base by substituting Scoot for European services
RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
I think Scoot could potentially explore new markets, but I think it would be stupid of them to operate on routes SQ currently flies.
It could be wise for TZ to take over ATH and potentially BCN from SQ, and perhaps TXL/PRG/OSL/ARN could work. LGW and ORY could be options too if they didn't cannibalize the mainline operations.
If Scoot gets really adventurous - I'd love to see routes like SIN-NCE or SIN-LIS. Very wishful thinking though, I know.
It could be wise for TZ to take over ATH and potentially BCN from SQ, and perhaps TXL/PRG/OSL/ARN could work. LGW and ORY could be options too if they didn't cannibalize the mainline operations.
If Scoot gets really adventurous - I'd love to see routes like SIN-NCE or SIN-LIS. Very wishful thinking though, I know.
RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
I´d love to see them in CGN but I doubt it´ll happen as SQ might be afraid a bit being so close at FRA.
The fact that EW has it´s longhaul base at CGN should not be an issue as EW and TZ wouldn´t overlap with their routes.
The fact that EW has it´s longhaul base at CGN should not be an issue as EW and TZ wouldn´t overlap with their routes.
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RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting MHG (Reply 9): I´d love to see them in CGN but I doubt it´ll happen as SQ might be afraid a bit being so close at FRA. |
Isn't SQ starting DUS service?
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RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting LGAviation (Reply 10): Quoting MHG (Reply 9): I´d love to see them in CGN but I doubt it´ll happen as SQ might be afraid a bit being so close at FRA. Isn't SQ starting DUS service? |
Yes, effective July 21. Announced last November. 3 x week A350-900.
http://www.singaporeair.com/jsp/cms/...ess_release_news/ne2615-151109.jsp
RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
I could see them open ARN or HEL maybe some eastern European destinations
RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
With TR being brought under the control of SIA Group there should be more connecting opportunities to TZ's long haul flights. TR's strong presence on leisure routes could mean that TZ sees opportunities at OSL/ARN. DY doesn't have anyone to connect to beyond BKK so TZ-TR would have an advantage.
TZ only operates short haul sectors to increase utilisation between long haul sectors. And I'm not so sure they're getting all that much revenue from their Australian flights when A$189 fares are easy to find.
Agreed - especially with the Lufthansa Group JV, they wouldn't be happy seeing TZ at FRA.
| Quoting AVFCdownunder (Reply 3): During that time it could have turned around 2-4 short/medium haul legs and probably raised a lot more revenue. |
TZ only operates short haul sectors to increase utilisation between long haul sectors. And I'm not so sure they're getting all that much revenue from their Australian flights when A$189 fares are easy to find.
| Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5): The hub triangle is NOT where Scoot fits for Singapore Airlines Group. |
Agreed - especially with the Lufthansa Group JV, they wouldn't be happy seeing TZ at FRA.
RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 13): TR's strong presence on leisure routes could mean that TZ sees opportunities at OSL/ARN. DY doesn't have anyone to connect to beyond BKK so TZ-TR would have an advantage. |
Not sure about ARN, but Scoot's configuration does not fit the marked out of OSL (and Norway) to SIN where there is a relative high demand for business class compared to economy class. In addition SAS and SQ has a JV out of Scandinavia, which is important for SQ's CPH-SIN route
RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting ben175 (Reply 8): I think Scoot could potentially explore new markets, but I think it would be stupid of them to operate on routes SQ currently flies. |
It is not that simple. There are long-haul markets which can be served beyond the capacity provided by SQ mainline which Scoot can scoop up due to the different price points, which is why Scoot can certainly be flying to LON first. The market is big enough for both, and allows SQ to counter the EK/QF alliance.
Do note that even on its current network, Scoot is flying to more destinations already served by SQ without causing SQ to bleed. Out of its four destinations in Australia, just one is unique to Scoot, for example. And the airline is also flying to cities close to SQ cities, such as Tianjin (close to Beijing) and Hangzhou (close to Shanghai). There must be an obvious business case why the SQ group dares to allocate its group resources in such a manner.
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RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting LGAviation (Reply 10): |
Sorry, missed out on that.
So, TZ in CGN is even less likely ...
I´d rather expect them to look at HAM in that case.
STR is out of question as it´s about half way between FRA and MUC (served by SQ already) and TXL without slots and SXF/BER not capable for the forseeable future.
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RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting Someone83 (Reply 14): Scoot's configuration does not fit the marked out of OSL (and Norway) to SIN where there is a relative high demand for business class compared to economy class |
Currently there's no non-stop flight in this market so the demand for business class can't be that high. TZ has more J seats than DY, yet DY flies long haul from OSL. The configuration may not be an issue, but:
| Quoting Someone83 (Reply 14): In addition SAS and SQ has a JV out of Scandinavia, which is important for SQ's CPH-SIN route |
This may well be an issue. If either the LH JV or the SK JV covers Norway, TZ probably won't fly there.
| Quoting huaiwei (Reply 15): There are long-haul markets which can be served beyond the capacity provided by SQ mainline which Scoot can scoop up due to the different price points |
True, there can be room for a parent full-service carrier alongside it's LCC if there's strong leisure and premium demand. SYD-HNL seems to do okwith both JQ & QF, maybe TZ & SQ can co-exist on SIN-BCN (for example).
RE: Will Scoot Ever Fly To Europe?
| Quoting Jetstar315 (Reply 7): SQ has not being doing quite so well lately. I doubt that they would want to dilute their customer base by substituting Scoot for European services |
| Quoting ben175 (Reply 8): I think Scoot could potentially explore new markets, but I think it would be stupid of them to operate on routes SQ currently flies. |
I think it is that SQ knows it is only a niche market that pays for level of service they offer and they dont want to dilute their brand so they will use scoot for secondary european destinations.
I doubt thy will put SQ and scoot on the same routes as that would definitely cannibalise SQ's loads.
On a secondary note, i heard Tiger as a brand is going to go soon. Scoot will be SQ's sole LCC
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