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QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:14 pm

According to El Mercurio, QR has announced DOH-SCL non stop starting 2017. That would become world's longest flight with expected 18 hrs.

The announcement was made by Akbar al Baker

link (spanish): Emol.com - http://www.emol.com/noticias/Economi...eran-los-mas-largos-del-mundo.html

Link (english): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...routes-Doha-Auckland-Santiago.html

Nothing yet on their website. Any news or confirmation?
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:22 pm

The article talks about GIG... so is it DOH-GIG and DOH-SCL or DOH-GIG-SCL? The latter would make more sense, specially when QR still combines GRU and EZE which are larger markets.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:34 pm

Just who are they targeting here? Asia to South America is better off going via MAD or Europe. Flight time is spread out more evenly.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:34 pm

The ME3 seems to be in a mad rush to keep adding ULH flights to all corners of the globe and seems to be competing with each other among themselves to have "the longest flight in the world" tag....and there seems to be no end in sight for this as far as the ME3 goes. Am i the only 1 scratching my head and thinking..what's going on? Granted that folks will argue they have a good product..a good business model etc. ....but...still!
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:40 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 3):
Am i the only 1 scratching my head and thinking..what's going on?

Low fuel prices
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:46 pm

Quoting stburke (Reply 4):
Low fuel prices

They why haven't others done it? SQ should be doing SIN - SFO/LAX/EWR for example with the aircraft they already have.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:00 pm

When SIN-JFK, 2 very busy financial and business cities, does not work as ULH nonstop flight, how on earth would SCL-DOH be sustainable?
Sounds very much like DXB-PTY to me,
another example of ME3 status symbol routes, trying to get the longest nonstop route in the world? See what you can do, having an emir/sheikh covering you up financially...
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:08 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 6):
When SIN-JFK, 2 very busy financial and business cities, does not work as ULH nonstop flight, how on earth would SCL-DOH be sustainable?

Exactly my point.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:10 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 7):

Makes 2 of us then  
let's see what others think...
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:02 am

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 3):
Quoting 330lover (Reply 8):

And that makes us three...

Seriously what is it with the ME3 (and TK) recently fighting over "longest flight" or "best J seat ever" tags? First EK with DXB-PTY and QR responded with DOH-AKL, then came TK with IST-PTY, meanwhile EK and QR were promoting their soon-to-be "new best there ever has been" J class and QR comes back with DOH-SCL and wants the world longest flight title again.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:17 am

Quoting Arcano (Thread starter):
According to El Mercurio, QR has announced DOH-SCL non stop starting 2017.

Like PTY by EK, this route has no chance of getting off the ground. SCL-SYD-Asia is almost always shorter than SCL-DOH-Asia and and unlike DOH, there's a decent market between SCL and SYD to support the route.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:36 am

If this turns out to be DOH-GIG-SCL, it would be great, since GIG only receives narrobodies to/from SCL, either from JJ or LA.

So from QR:

- DOH-GRU-EZE
- DOH-GIG-SCL


From EK:

- DXB-GRU
- DXB-GRU-EZE

From TK:

- IST-GRU-EZE



- GRU has a lot of frequencies from JJ/LA to SCL, with a mix of aircraft, including JJ B777ER and LA B788.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:40 am

DOH-SCL won't be the longest flight.

It is longer than the current longest, DXB-AKL, but is shorter than the already announced DOH-AKL non-stop flight, which will start later this year.

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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:01 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 2):
Flight time is spread out more evenly.

Not everyone likes that. I personally avoid it, and plenty of others do as well.

Would much rather have a short connection to a longer segment: more time to sleep, do work, stay organized, than get interrupted square in the middle.


Quoting 330lover (Reply 6):
When SIN-JFK, 2 very busy financial and business cities, does not work as ULH nonstop flight

No one's ever flown SIN-JFK in scheduled service.

As for SIN-EWR, SQ stopped the flight when they ceded the aircraft. They've since announced their return to SIN-NYC as soon as they have another aircraft that can operate it, and this time much more efficiently. So couldn't have been THAT bad, at least from an aggregate network perspective.

Granted, probably not that good either, else they could've acquired an interim aircraft to continue it prior to the A359ULR's arrival. But that's also three years ago when fuel was much higher.

Still, can't be that bad if they want to jump right back in.


Quoting airbazar (Reply 10):
Like PTY by EK, this route has no chance of getting off the ground.

EK seemed intent on doing so, but now we have the revelation that they only got the rights to have their code on a quarter of the requested codeshares.

Perhaps they should've done more homework before launching, but doesn't seem like it was just a Branson-esque PR stunt or anything..
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:18 am

Quoting Arcano (Thread starter):
According to El Mercurio, QR has announced DOH-SCL non stop starting 2017. That would become world's longest flight
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 12):
DOH-SCL won't be the longest flight.

It is longer than the current longest, DXB-AKL, but is shorter than the already announced DOH-AKL non-stop flight, which will start later this year.

DOH-AKL 7,848 nm
DOH-SCL 7,791 nm
DXB-AKL 7,668 nm
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:32 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):


DOH-AKL 7,848 nm
DOH-SCL 7,791 nm
DXB-AKL 7,668 nm

How embarrassing for EK. Maybe they could start DXB-HNL to win the pissing match.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 6):
When SIN-JFK, 2 very busy financial and business cities, does not work as ULH nonstop flight, how on earth would SCL-DOH be sustainable?

Fantastic point. SQ, a highly intelligent airline, tried the flight with many cabin configurations and still couldn't make it work. Hopefully the A359 will do the trick, as this is one of the very few justifiable UULH routes out there.

[Edited 2016-03-15 19:33:31]
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:40 am

Quoting 330lover (Reply 8):
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 12):
Quoting geoshina (Reply 11):
So from QR:

- DOH-GRU-EZE
- DOH-GIG-SCL

It makes more sense to do GRU-SCL and GIG-EZE. GRU is bigger than GIG and EZE is bigger than SCL. Putting the two smaller destinations together will make a very weak flight.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:22 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 13):
As for SIN-EWR, SQ stopped the flight when they ceded the aircraft. They've since announced their return to SIN-NYC as soon as they have another aircraft that can operate it, and this time much more efficiently. So couldn't have been THAT bad, at least from an aggregate network perspective.

Isn't SQ planning to resume these nonstops in 2018?
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:18 am

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):


DOH-AKL 7,848 nm
DOH-SCL 7,791 nm
DXB-AKL 7,668 nm

How embarrassing for EK. Maybe they could start DXB-HNL to win the pissing match.
DXB-HNL wouldn't work. It's a few hundred miles shorter than all of those, only 7,414 nm It's only about 150-200 miles further than DXB-LAX/SFO. I can't think of any destinations from DXB longer than DOH-AKL that would have enough traffic to justify nonstop service and would be within the range of EK aircraft.

A few I could find that are just slightly further. None sound very lucrative:

DXB-GYE 7,881 nm
DXB-RGL (Rio Gallegos, Argentina, near the southern tip of South America) - 7,853 nm
DXB-MDZ (Mendoza, Argentina) - 7,876 nm

RGL, population around 100,000, is probably the only one of the 3 with a runway long enough (11,639 ft) for a nonstop to DXB.

[Edited 2016-03-15 21:19:43]
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:27 am

Quoting 330lover (Reply 6):
When SIN-JFK, 2 very busy financial and business cities, does not work as ULH nonstop flight, how on earth would SCL-DOH be sustainable?

There are other things affecting viability. Firstly, SQ used the A345, which have been basically been put out of service. These aircraft were just used on ULH for their range. As for QR, they would use the 77L, which has been proved viable on non-ULH routes as well, so their fuel burn is sustainable.

SQ would be nearly all O&D. From EWR, there were connection options, but not on SQ, so they'd rely on codeshares. And from the SIN end, only Indonesia and PER made sense, any parts of Asia north of SIN faced competion from other carriers that could offer a quicker and more direct routing (CX, JL, NH, KE, etc.)

As for SCL-DOH, there will be connecting passengers to the Middle East and most of the rest of Asia. Sure, going via DOH isn't a very direct routing, but there is a real lack of service between South America and Asia beforehand.

Not saying that the route is viable, but it might work better than many believed at first glance.

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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:30 am

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 15):
How embarrassing for EK.

Why is it embarrassing for EK?   

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 15):
Maybe they could start DXB-HNL to win the pissing match.

Why does EK need to run a pissing match with anyone? FYKI they are a "numbers run" company.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:32 am

Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 20):
Quoting LHUSA (Reply 15):
How embarrassing for EK.

Why is it embarrassing for EK?  

He was being sarcastic.

EK does have the most expansive network of any of the ME3, combined with their huge footprint already in GB and presence in AKL, they're the only airline in the region where a nonstop to AKL makes sense. Once again AAB is speaking out if his ass. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't happen, barring some kind of massive JV between Latam and QR.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:35 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 2):
Just who are they targeting here? Asia to South America is better off going via MAD or Europe. Flight time is spread out more evenly.

Bragging rights for publicity, like EK serving MEX they announce for free PR even if they never start the flight their name is in the papers again.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:42 am

Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 20):
FYKI they are a "numbers run" company.

I think the whole PTY saga has fed into scepticism on this front.

I don't know if this view is entirely fair, but those who leaned in the anti-EK direction in the first place found their views validated.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:09 am

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 5):
They why haven't others done it? SQ should be doing SIN - SFO/LAX/EWR for example with the aircraft they already have.

Now that SQ has the A350, they will. To operate it, because of the length of the flight, it actually takes at least two and possibly three aircraft to operate this service daily, so it will be a bit before they do it, but they will get in the ULH game once they have enough hands on experience with the A350 to make it work. Expect it to be payload restricted, with a larger premium eco cabin and a smaller eco cabin....the weight penalties won't be as horrendous as they were with the A345, but the westbound out of EWR-SIN will be a killer during certain parts of the year.

Not to worry...the ME3 are not the only ones who have ULH ambitions. Also, remember as UA and AA get more 789s, you will see them stretch their legs on the smaller aircraft in markets where they can get an economic advantage with that aircraft.

We are going to see more of this, not less.

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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:10 am

Not my money they are burning so happy to see to see them launch a new route, why not? More choice for customers!
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:19 am

Quoting baw716 (Reply 24):
Not to worry...the ME3 are not the only ones who have ULH ambitions

ULH is becoming more viable thanks to new aircraft and low fuel prices, that much is true. The pissing match between QR and EK, is just that, a pissing match for the worlds longest flight.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:24 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 21):

Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 20):
Quoting LHUSA (Reply 15):
How embarrassing for EK.

Why is it embarrassing for EK?  

He was being sarcastic.

I didn't see any emoticons or anything else to judge as such.

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 23):
I don't know if this view is entirely fair, but those who leaned in the anti-EK direction in the first place found their views validated.

If anything, EK not wanting to start the flight until they have a better sense of potential profitability goes to show they just don't fly to cities "on a whim".

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 26):
The pissing match between QR and EK, is just that, a pissing match for the worlds longest flight.

Again, why would EK want to be in some sort of "pissing match"?   
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:46 am

Quoting baw716 (Reply 24):
westbound out of EWR-SIN will be a killer during certain parts of the year.

If i remember correctly, the flight never goes westbound. It either goes over the pole, or eastbound over europe!
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:50 am

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 9):
Seriously what is it with the ME3 (and TK) recently fighting over "longest flight" or "best J seat ever" tags?

I wasn't aware of TK fighting over longest flight or Best J seat. Did I miss anything somewhere?

TK simply launched a new route that have been in the talks for years now. TK does rave about their food, their lounge at IST and the sheer number of international routes but I never heard them talking about how wonderful their J seats are. With a 2-3-2 configuration, I don't think they ever will anyway...

This whole thing is really between EK and QR. Not even EY is involved...
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:03 am

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 9):

Surely this is just QR and EK?......not the ME3 as commonly used on anet. There seems to be an inability to separate 3 carriers, each with very distinct identities; one of which is in a different country even.

Also, it's hardly a competition for longest flight for the sake of it when EK is re-evaluating pty to ensure it's profitability. Akl is logical considering their extensive GB network. QR on the other hand, well...who knows why they do what they do.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:23 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
A few I could find that are just slightly further. None sound very lucrative:

DXB-GYE 7,881 nm
DXB-RGL (Rio Gallegos, Argentina, near the southern tip of South America) - 7,853 nm
DXB-MDZ (Mendoza, Argentina) - 7,876 nm

Great thinking there... while the ME3 is up to this ridiculous expansion strategy, perhaps they can also add DOH-POM - not too long, 6,000nm, but I'm sure very lucrative. Lots of connecting traffic, I'm sure, is desperate to get there... and perhaps, for good measure, EK can throw in a twice weekly rotation with an A380 DXB-NKW?

I'm just waiting for this ME3 pyramid scheme to collapse on itself. I don't see how these companies are profitable...
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:06 am

Perhaps EK could do a DXB - CHC nonstop just to squeeze a few miles more out of a worlds longest flight and reclaim the bragging rights, assuming it is just that little bit further than DOH-AKL that is.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:15 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 13):
No one's ever flown SIN-JFK in scheduled service.

As for SIN-EWR,

my mistake, got them mixed up. thanks for pointing out.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 13):
As for SIN-EWR, SQ stopped the flight when they ceded the aircraft. They've since announced their return to SIN-NYC as soon as they have another aircraft that can operate it, and this time much more efficiently. So couldn't have been THAT bad, at least from an aggregate network perspective.

I surely hope so, would love to see the route returning on 359.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:17 am

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 17):
Isn't SQ planning to resume these nonstops in 2018?

Read the second sentence in what you yourself chose to quote....


Quoting TC957 (Reply 32):
Perhaps EK could do a DXB - CHC nonstop just to squeeze a few miles more out of a worlds longest flight and reclaim the bragging rights

Would be a lot of money to burn, just to have SQ take it away in just 2yrs.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:28 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 34):
Would be a lot of money to burn, just to have SQ take it away in just 2yrs.

True, but EK has it no problem. Their marketing spends a fortune in sponsorship in the UK.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:44 am

Quoting Siren (Reply 31):
Great thinking there... while the ME3 is up to this ridiculous expansion strategy, perhaps they can also add DOH-POM - not too long, 6,000nm, but I'm sure very lucrative.

I've just been to PNG and it certainly still needs development to support a nonstop to any of the ME3 hubs. Best thing to wish for would be an expansion of services to SIN or HKG. Besides, airfares aren't insane and there were quite some reasonable options from Australia.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:24 am

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 3):
The ME3 seems to be in a mad rush to keep adding ULH flights to all corners of the globe and seems to be competing with each other among themselves to have "the longest flight in the world" tag....and there seems to be no end in sight for this as far as the ME3 goes. Am i the only 1 scratching my head and thinking..what's going on? Granted that folks will argue they have a good product..a good business model etc. ....but...still!

What makes me laugh is that everybody here is, to some extent, a little bit concerned about how difficult it can be to turn a ULH flight into a profitable one. Few airliners today enable such profitable routes...
And ME3 keep on opening ULH flights that would hardly be profitable to any "regular" operator.
To me, this is one of many proves that ME3 are the most subisdized airlines in the world, keeping on disrupting the shape of air travel to a very bad extent.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:37 am

Quoting airproxx (Reply 37):
What makes me laugh is that everybody here is, to some extent, a little bit concerned about how difficult it can be to turn a ULH flight into a profitable one. Few airliners today enable such profitable routes...

Even if the ULH flights are not profitable, they are required to feed the network (as extensive as EK has for example) so as to make money. In isolation ULHs are not profitable or have little profit. PTY was an example where lack of support from local feed rendered it not lucrative OR perhaps you may be more comfortable to assume and say that EK dint get subsidy to fly to PTY.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:46 am

QR announced also the nonstop flights on the route EZE-DOH, but it's been 7 years since their launch (June 29th 2009, i was in the first flight), but it still via GRU.
I don't think SCL is an interesting market for any of the ME3, specially for QR which could easily arrange with LA/JJ for the flights GRU-SCL, or even EZE-SCL, as well as GRU-LIM, GRU-BOG.
Further north, GRU is not a good place, it's easier making a connection either in MAD or in MIA, which are, by excellence, the Latin American Hubs.
TK could have done well with the route to PTY (with CM and even AV, if the route would have stopped in BOG) but they cancelled those plans, at least for the moment.
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:01 am

In the Gulf it's all about prestige once your underlying operations are more or less profitable: the longest, the biggest, the most expensive and so on...

This is a pissing match made possible by low fuel prices, don't expect it to last once oil starts inching back up.


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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:10 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 13):
Would much rather have a short connection to a longer segment:

  
Absolutely!

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 13):
EK seemed intent on doing so, but now we have the revelation that they only got the rights to have their code on a quarter of the requested codeshares.

I'm not buying that excuse. They could still interline which is what they do in the U.S. and have done for years. I would be shocked if they didn't know before hand that they weren't getting the code-share rights that they wanted. I think that excuse it's just EK trying to save face. They threw a party and no one showed up. Simple as that. And that same thing will happen if QR tries DOH-SCL non-stop. At least PTY had a chance of getting interlining traffic from across Central America. SCL is quite literally at the end of the line. No one is going to connect in SCL to fly to DXB and beyond.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 15):
Fantastic point. SQ, a highly intelligent airline, tried the flight with many cabin configurations and still couldn't make it work

Highly incorrect point too. SQ wouldn't have operated the route for 10 years if it didn't work. And they sure as hell wouldn't have announced the re-start of said route, shortly after if the route was so bad for 10 years.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:47 pm

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 23):
I think the whole PTY saga has fed into scepticism on this front.

I don't know if this view is entirely fair, but those who leaned in the anti-EK direction in the first place found their views validated.

I don't think PTY was as crazy as it sounds.
On the assumption that EK thought they would be able to enter into an extensive codeshare with CM, the PTY route may have made perfect sense and perhaps not getting the approval led to the route not materializing.

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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:47 pm

If they announce it then EK will begin DXB-SCL one month prior just to hold the "longest ULH" prize   
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:09 pm

Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 27):
I didn't see any emoticons or anything else to judge as such.

You really need an emoticon to know if someone is being sarcastic?

Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 27):
Again, why would EK want to be in some sort of "pissing match"?   

EK launched a perfect ably viable route (AKL), and attempted one (PTY), which we don't know why it didn't happen, but proposals happen a lot to get called off later more than you think. The real pissing match between the two is the J class competition. As far as longest routes, QR is the drunk guy at a frat party trying to show all the other guys how big his member is.

And it all boils down to numbers. EK was made to make money and is doing as such. EY and QR were made to spend money. If you think QR is a vanity project in the slightest bu their govt, then why did they wait so long to introduce the A350 over something as stupid as a carpet?
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:06 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 44):
And it all boils down to numbers. EK was made to make money and is doing as such. EY and QR were made to spend money. If you think QR is a vanity project in the slightest bu their govt, then why did they wait so long to introduce the A350 over something as stupid as a carpet?

They are all made to make money, but in different ways however the ultimate goal is the same. To provide easy access to their respective countries which stimulates trade and business. EK may be flying A380's full of low yield connecting passengers but that's just a distraction from the real goal which is to enable wealthy business people to travel easily between Dubai and every point on the globe. QR and EY do the same same thing albeit in a slightly smaller scale. Those multi-million condos in Doha/Dubai/Abu Dhabi have to be sold to someone and the hundreds of posh hotels need to be filled, and EK/QR/EY enable that.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:52 pm

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 42):
Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 23):I think the whole PTY saga has fed into scepticism on this front.I don't know if this view is entirely fair, but those who leaned in the anti-EK direction in the first place found their views validated. I don't think PTY was as crazy as it sounds. On the assumption that EK thought they would be able to enter into an extensive codeshare with CM, the PTY route may have made perfect sense and perhaps not getting the approval led to the route not materializing. Cheers, AA1818

Hey aa1818 what's up, long time. It seems our Caribbean threads are slowly dying unfortunately. Talking about PTY, I think this whole PTY trends will end up being a huge disappointment because of so many airlines all of sudden starting nonstop longhaul flights to PTY. We have KL, AF and LH now and BA will also start soon (or already has started). TK will start as well, where are all these airlines plan on getting the people to fill all these routes. With LH and TK also flying nonstop to PTY, I would assume CM will use them to connect to points to Europe and beyond seeing that they are alliance partners. Because of this, EK will most likely be on the bottom of CM's list to feed traffic too. How would EK fit in all of this?


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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:38 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 26):
ULH is becoming more viable thanks to new aircraft and low fuel prices, that much is true. The pissing match between QR and EK, is just that, a pissing match for the worlds longest flight.

But would they turn a profit? I sure as hell don't want to be in the back rows of a flight that long. Will there be enough premium traffic, or is it as you imply, just for bragging rights?
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:02 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 3):
The ME3 seems to be in a mad rush to keep adding ULH flights to all corners of the globe and seems to be competing with each other among themselves to have "the longest flight in the world" tag....and there seems to be no end in sight for this as far as the ME3 goes. Am i the only 1 scratching my head and thinking..what's going on? Granted that folks will argue they have a good product..a good business model etc. ....but...still!

There's one place where the race for the longest flight in the world will end and that's the exact opposite point in the world. Only for the ME3 this point is located somewhere in the southern Pacific. Closest airport they can serve would be IPC I think, and I guess one day we'll see a DOH-IPC flight. It doesn't matter if it's profitable or not, it's a matter of pride.
 
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RE: QR To Launch DOH-SCL, World Longest Flight?

Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:18 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
DOH-AKL 7,848 nm
DOH-SCL 7,791 nm
DXB-AKL 7,668 nm

For illustrative purposes:



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