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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Tue May 24, 2016 3:03 am

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 98):
CM/P5 looking at BOG- LIM given the restrictions for PTY-LIM ??

I didn't get why is PTY-LIM restricted at this time ?
My understanding is that CM PTY-LIM doesn't allow more weekly frequencies on this bulky sector.
CM doesn't tend to operate tag-on segments, besides their Central American routes.
Having said that, any PTY-BOG-LIM looks like unappealing, especially for business passengers.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun May 29, 2016 8:25 pm

Saw N278EA taking off from SJO just before noontime today. Wonder what brought her here, and whether we'll be seeing more of the good ol' hockey stick livery in the skies over Costa Rica.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun May 29, 2016 10:27 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 101):
Saw N278EA taking off from SJO

I've heard it on the radio promoting charter flights to Orlando.
One advertising featuring the EA logo is located close to Ladrillera La Uruca.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Mon May 30, 2016 4:08 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 101):
N278EA

Update: The source flightstats.com reports EA 5776 into SJO-MIA on May 29th as shown:

EA 5776...SJO 11:46......16:16 MIA

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Mon May 30, 2016 5:07 am

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EA 5776...SJO 11:46......16:16 MIA

That explains it. According to the airline's website this was not their maiden arrival. Sister ship N276EA was at SJO back in January and they anticipate more flights, perhaps even scheduled service later this year.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:24 am

Just over two months ago we commented on this thread (see post #31 above) that AV was going through tough financial times.

Now it seems that the cash-strapped airline is in worse shape than previously thought .. Avianca buscaría capital y Delta y United se interesan en aportarlo (link in Spanish).
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:00 pm

Avianca has recently begun working with a financial adviser to raise about $500 million in a process that could lead to an outright sale (Bloomberg). Read more.

But it is business as usual this morning inside a nondescript building somewhere in downtown Guatemala City, as the airline's veteran spin practitioner attempts to frame this one for the media, shareholders and public. If previous crises are any indication, words such as 'strengthening' and 'optimization' will be used in press releases and phone interviews throughout the day.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:31 pm

Colombian newspaper El Tiempo has come up with five reasons why Avianca needs a partner. (link in Spanish)

Among them, that the airline lost US$136.4 million last year, which essentially wiped out the profit (US$128.5 million) it had made the year before.

Otro elemento que ejerce presión a la situación de Avianca es el vencimiento de obligaciones de deuda a corto plazo que la compañía tiene que resolver. “Los 500 millones de dólares es la suma que ellos necesitan y tienen una presión para buscar a alguien que les preste o que participe en la propiedad de la empresa”, indicó una fuente. (fair use excerpt)

Avianca may not be generating adequate cash to meet its short-term obligations. They need US$500 million and pressure is mounting to find either a lender or a partner.

"Sería extraño que prestaran la plata y no pudieran tener por ahí el 51 por ciento" (the newspaper quotes a local industry analyst as saying he'd be surprised if whoever lends them the money didn't walk away with a majority stake in the holding company).
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:15 pm

So what if an airline that was once bankrupt under former owners Grupo Santo Domingo, ends up on food stamps?

Unfortunately, this is not turning out to be a good year for Don Germán in some of his other business ventures.

Perhaps now would be a good time for him and señor Kriete to bring in Marcus Lemonis.   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:30 am

Excerpt from post 105:

"Avianca, which owns Colombia’s largest airline, said in May it would cut aircraft deliveries from Airbus Group SE by $1.4 billion during the next 30 months as part of an effort to reduce indebtedness. The airline’s American depositary receipts surged 33 percent to $6.90 in late trading Thursday after the market closed."

May 2015: AV had signed a purchase agreement for 100 A320neo family aircraft, in order to replace airplanes currently operating from their hubs.
This ambitious plan could be in danger, based on all the information posted above.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:42 pm

Passengers on board flight AV965 LIM-EZE had one hell of a ride last Saturday due to severe turbulence at FL410 over SLA.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:30 pm

Y4 plans to launch its Costa Rican subsidiary in August, ahead of schedule.. additional details will emerge in the coming weeks, but we do know SJO will be its hub and that LIR will become a focus city later on.. fleet/staff-wise a trio of A322s alongside 160 employees for starters.. their strategy, in a nutshell, will be..

volar sin escalas entre [Costa Rica] y Estados Unidos y desde luego, potenciar sus rutas hacia México. (...) Tener operaciones en esa nación le permitiría incluso ampliar su negocio a Sudamérica. Replicar allá su modelo de ultrabajo costo.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:43 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 111):
Y4 plans to launch its Costa Rican subsidiary in August

Air Costa Rica: Hurry up !  




.
AV has already signed a mutual code-share cooperation with TAME from Ecuador.
It's just funny how AV held a similar agreement with the former AeroGal from Ecuador as well. The airline is now involved into Avianca mainline.
The AV-TAME treaty doesn't touch any Central American route.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:12 am

Rumor has it that AC YYZ-SJO is planning the opening of more frequencies, in the short-term.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:05 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 113):
AC YYZ-SJO

Update:

AC YYZ-SJO up to 11x weekly.
Effective: December 2016 - March 2017

AC 1806....YYZ 16:55....21:25 SJO....Daily...................319
AC 1874....YYZ 08:20....12:50 SJO....Ex We, Fr, Sa.....319

AC 1807....SJO 09:15....15:35 YYZ....Daily...................319
AC 1875....SJO 13:40....20:00 YYZ....Ex We, Fr, Sa.....319

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:40 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 102):
advertising featuring the EA logo is located close to Ladrillera La Uruca

Does this image bear any resemblance to the billboard you saw between La Uruca and Cinco Esquinas?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:41 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 115):
Does this image bear any resemblance to the billboard you saw between La Uruca and Cinco Esquinas?

Exactly !
It's promoted for a credit card.
I'll try to pay more attention to the sign when driving back home during working days.
Traffic jams are usually in this area.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:44 am

Just testing the new look and feel of the site. Change is good.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:24 am

Air Transat from Canada is adding new Managua service as shown:

TS 162.....YYZ 10:00.....14:15 MGA....Th.......738
TS 163.....MGA 15:15....21:05 YYZ.....Th.......738
Effective: December 22

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:05 am

Successfully wooing BA and AF has created a ripple effect.. an official announcement is expected next week regarding possible 2x weekly ZRH-SJO WK (Edelweiss) service.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:30 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Air Transat from Canada is adding new Managua service as shown:

TS 162.....YYZ 10:00.....14:15 MGA....Th.......738
TS 163.....MGA 15:15....21:05 YYZ.....Th.......738
Effective: December 22

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Good for MGA, assume this service will be seasonal or year round?
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:27 pm

Seasonal. That has been going on for the last 10 years. Initially A310-A330s, now down to 738
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SJOtoLIR wrote:
Air Transat from Canada is adding new Managua service as shown:

TS 162.....YYZ 10:00.....14:15 MGA....Th.......738
TS 163.....MGA 15:15....21:05 YYZ.....Th.......738
Effective: December 22

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Good for MGA, assume this service will be seasonal or year round?
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:14 am

Does anyone know if you can highlight this thread so we don't have to looking for it in page after page in this new format. I tried bookmarking it but then couldn't find where it is bookmarked.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:10 am

American Airlines in Central America for the US summer break.
Only scheduled flights.
Effective: June 18th.



Belize City
AA CLT-BZE. 2x weekly, 319
AA DFW-BZE. 8x weekly, 73H
AA LAX-BZE. 2x weekly, 73H
AA MIA-BZE. 13x weekly, 319 + 1x weekly, 73H



Guatemala City
AA DFW-GUA. 8x weekly, 73H
AA MIA-GUA. 21x weekly, 73H



San Salvador
AA DFW-SAL. 7x weekly, 319
AA MIA-SAL. 14x weekly, 319



Tegucigalpa
AA MIA-TGU. 14x weekly, 319



San Pedro Sula
AA SAP-MIA. 14x weekly, 319



Roatan
AA DFW-RTB. 1x weekly, 73H
AA MIA-RTB. 1x weekly, E75** + 1x weekly, 73H



Managua
AA DFW-MGA. 4x weekly, 73H
AA MIA-MGA. 21x weekly, 73H



Liberia
AA CLT-LIR. 1x weekly, 320
AA DFW-LIR. 2x weekly, 73H
AA MIA-LIR. 7x weekly, 73H



San José
AA CLT-SJO. 7x weekly, 319
AA DFW-SJO. 8x weekly, 75W
AA PHX-SJO. 1x weekly, 319
AA MIA-SJO. 28x weekly, 73H



Panama City
AA DFW-PTY. 5x weekly, 319
AA MIA-PTY. 14x weekly, 73H + 7x weekly, E75**

**Operated by American Eagle


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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:17 pm

based on Prensa´s article LH is having great loads on FRA - PTY and thinkging to extend to daily basis
http://impresa.prensa.com/economia/Pana ... 99222.html
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:32 pm

copa330200 wrote:
based on Prensa´s article LH is having great loads on FRA - PTY and thinkging to extend to daily basis
http://impresa.prensa.com/economia/Pana ... 99222.html


No doubt, Thanks in large part to the CM partnership.
One has to wonder how much this has affected the AF/KL/IB service. Also the persistent rumors of a TK swap to BQN also remain.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:36 pm

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One has to wonder how much this has affected the AF/KL/IB service. Also the persistent rumors of a TK swap to BQN also remain.
Don't think LH has too much effect on TK as what TK offers in IST is far greater than what LH offers at FRA.
Bear in mind, like it happened to TP, passengers don't like that BOG stop.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:16 pm

Hello, my cousin asked me for advice since he is flying from San Jose to Panama City next month for business meetings, and I am not sure what to tell him since I have not flown either in an extremely long time. As a Star flyer in biz class is there any real difference on such a short flight for them? Avianca and Copa both have similarly timed flights so I am not sure what to tell him. I know he was going to ask online, maybe at flyertalk? But I thought I'd ask here since he is no longer a member.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:09 pm

FlyingSicilian wrote:
Hello, my cousin asked me for advice since he is flying from San Jose to Panama City next month for business meetings, and I am not sure what to tell him since I have not flown either in an extremely long time. As a Star flyer in biz class is there any real difference on such a short flight for them? Avianca and Copa both have similarly timed flights so I am not sure what to tell him. I know he was going to ask online, maybe at flyertalk? But I thought I'd ask here since he is no longer a member.
I'd definitely go with CM. In fact, for my upcoming trip to SJO this December, my final part of the trip will be CM between PTY and SJO. :twisted: :mrgreen:
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:40 am

yellowtail wrote:
Does anyone know if you can highlight this thread so we don't have to looking for it in page after page in this new format. I tried bookmarking it but then couldn't find where it is bookmarked.

Let me know if you figure it out.

LTU932 wrote:
I'd definitely go with CM

Good advice. AVoid the competition and their AT7s.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:56 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
AA MIA-SJO. 28x weekly, 73H

Whatever portion of that is o/d, they clearly own the market. No one else is currently operating nonstop. Air Costa Rica believes they can snatch a piece.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:11 pm

Easy takeover after LR/TA/AV simply decided that market was a sure loss. 28x weekly plus a bunch more of FLL flights prove otherwise.
viaggiare wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
AA MIA-SJO. 28x weekly, 73H

Whatever portion of that is o/d, they clearly own the market. No one else is currently operating nonstop. Air Costa Rica believes they can snatch a piece.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:50 pm

MGASJO wrote:
Easy takeover after LR/TA/AV simply decided that market was a sure loss. 28x weekly plus a bunch more of FLL flights prove otherwise.
viaggiare wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
AA MIA-SJO. 28x weekly, 73H

Whatever portion of that is o/d, they clearly own the market. No one else is currently operating nonstop. Air Costa Rica believes they can snatch a piece.


Big mistake for them.
SJO-MIA is the stellar segment for SJO, in terms of passengers mobilized on a year-round basis.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:13 am

MGASJO wrote:
LR/TA/AV simply decided that market was a sure loss. 28x weekly plus a bunch more of FLL flights prove otherwise.

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Big mistake for them. SJO-MIA is the stellar segment for SJO, in terms of passengers mobilized on a year-round basis.

Funny thing is, back then their veteran spin doctor said it was due to "lack of demand" and by no means a definitive measure, just temporary. Epic FAIL.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:52 am

TA tried to load all their Miami routes through SAL.
Thus, the former Central American airlines involved with TA modified their Miami segments.
Having said that, TA SAL-MIA, TA SAL-GUA-MIA, TA-SAL-TGU-MIA, TA SAL-SAP-MIA and TA SAL-MGA-MIA started some years ago.
LACSA was slightly apart from this policy and TA SJO-MIA was active until SJO was definitely dismantled as a hub for them.
By the way, AV SAL-TGU-MIA is no longer in service as well.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:46 pm

http://www.teletica.com/Noticias/128632 ... f1f3b143bd

SJO is getting a new nonstop connection to Europe, this time it's Edelweiss Air. Edelweiss is launching ZRH-SJO on tuesdays and fridays starting May 2017. Equipment should be the A330-200.

EDIT: http://www.crhoy.com/costa-rica-tendra- ... acionales/

Apparently, the equipment will be an A340-300 and flights will launch on May 9th 2017. The announcement was made by LGS, tourism minister Mauricio Ventura and Edelweiss CEO Bernd Bauer.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:53 am

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Edelweiss is launching ZRH-SJO

This new flight obviously wouldn't be overlapped with the incoming wide-body frames from Europe: Air France and British Airways.
My point is related to the utilization of the two new gates oriented to attend these kind of planes.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

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SJOLIR,

A new small building will be built at the western part of the airport next to the new ramp extension. Passengers will be bussed to the main terminal. There are 7 airlines coming up, - announced BA, WK, AF -next to come- AZ, LH, TOM, and another one that I think could be Blue Panorama.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:30 am

Turkish Airlines and Avianca will expand the existing code-share partnership.
It will be touching Central America as shown:

Turkish Airlines operated by Avianca Group:
Guatemala City - Los Angeles
San Salvador - Chicago O’Hare
San Salvador - Houston
San Salvador - Los Angeles
San Salvador - New York JFK
San Salvador - Toronto
San Salvador - Toronto
San Salvador - Washington Dulles
Effective: June 27th.

AV BOG-PTY currently bears the TK designator.





mingocr83 wrote:
A new small building will be built at the western part of the airport next to the new ramp extension. Passengers will be bussed to the main terminal. There are 7 airlines coming up, - announced BA, WK, AF -next to come- AZ, LH, TOM, and another one that I think could be Blue Panorama.


Based on this assertion, the domestic terminal should be moved as well as the COOPESA area.

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Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:24 am

mingocr83 wrote:
A new small building will be built at the western part of the airport next to the new ramp extension. Passengers will be bussed to the main terminal.

This reminds me of the seven west remote gates at LAX, some of which are nothing more than hard stands, with no facilities, and serve as transfer points from buses to the jetways.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:46 pm

CM will be axing its PTY-VSA route next month, according to Tabasco Hoy newspaper.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:49 pm

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CM will be axing its PTY-VSA route next month, according to Tabasco Hoy newspaper.


Thats sad. I think CM tried real hard in VSA. I believe it was launched along with Puebla and Belize. The timing couldn't have been worse for launch with Oils collapse
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:42 am

CM PTY-VSA

First flight: August 03, 2015.
Last flight: July 31, 2016.
My hypothesis: lack of demand. It's that simple !

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Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:34 am

yellowtail wrote:
The timing couldn't have been worse for launch with Oils collapse
SJOtoLIR wrote:
My hypothesis: lack of demand. It's that simple !

When it comes to route expansion, I firmly believe CM conducted due diligence much more rigorously while Joe Mohan was there. And they were no less aggressive back then.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:32 pm

In related Copa news, PBC is also being axed. This route had weekly frequencies reduced from 4x to 2x already. Last flight is scheduled for 30JUN.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:30 am

Iquitos, Villahermosa and Puebla.
That's unusual on Copa Airlines.
The airline rarely dropped any active station.
It's clear that the opening of secondary stations in Peru and Mexico wasn't a smart idea, in spite of the success of both CM PTY-MEX and CM PTY-LIM.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:43 am

So out of the three , PBC VSA and BZE launched in 2015 only BZE remains.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:19 pm

yellowtail wrote:
So out of the three , PBC VSA and BZE launched in 2015 only BZE remains.

David**, New Orleans and San Francisco were also launched in 2015.

**PTY-DAV 14x weekly with E90 resumed on January 15, 2015

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:59 pm

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Iquitos, Villahermosa and Puebla.
That's unusual on Copa Airlines.
The airline rarely dropped any active station.
It's clear that the opening of secondary stations in Peru and Mexico wasn't a smart idea, in spite of the success of both CM PTY-MEX and CM PTY-LIM.

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CM to IQT was a concession to the Peruvian authorities to so allow extra CM frequencies to LIM. At that time looksedlike CM didn't want to venture to AQP and went for nearest and less demanding - out of an operational standpoint - secondary Peruvian destination.
If CM had something smaller than E190 or a B737 combi, who knows, PTY-IQT would have worked.
The day oil-prices soar again, VSA might become attractive again.
PBC is somewhat too close to MEX and are actually overlapping markets, same case as VCP w/GRU and FLL w/MIA. Another issue with PBC was that TLC would have attracted some traffic been a more secondary airport for MEX as quite affluent areas of Mexico City now have easier access to TLC than to MEX. If CM MEX demand rises and CM can't get slots, CM could well think of TLC, before returning to PBC.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 64

Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:11 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
affluent areas of Mexico City now have easier access to TLC than to MEX. If CM MEX demand rises and CM can't get slots, CM could well think of TLC, before returning to PBC

Toluca is not only more convenient than PBC (roughly 1/3 the distance), but it is already positioned as a low-cost alternate to MEX through years of marketing by Mexican carriers.
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