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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:04 am

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 91):

Seeing as they not only have far more 739s on order than A321s in addition to the ones already in the fleet, but once all delivered, it will be the most numerous type in DL's fleet (at 120 strong), it would seem as though the Boeing is extremely well suited to DL's needs. The A321's were readily available and DL bought the 739s anyway. Going forward, having both fleets will give DL the flexibility to get the best deal from either Airbus or Boeing when it comes time to get more without worrying about fleet commonality. I'm sure DL is eagerly awaiting what Boeing decides about the 757/767 replacement/MoM and that will help determine what they do as far as the 739 MAX or A321 NEO, but based on prior behavior, I wouldn't be surprised to see both.

IMO DL will have both the 737MAX and 320NEO

and i wouldn't be shocked to see GTF and LEAP powered NEOs.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 92):

But the difference is that people are unhappy not because DL went with the 739 over 321 initially, but because they (employees & consumers alike) perceive the 739 to be inferior to the Boeing equipment it's replacing. As evidenced by this and other threads, they're even more unhappy that 321 are being added to the fix.

some wanted the 321 over the 739 because we aren't huge fans of fixing 737s.  

however it is true that a lot want to keep the 757 over both. (and all the screw knockin that goes with them)   

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 92):

The DL that stuck the exclusive deal with Boeing 20 years ago had a similar sized mainline fleet to the DL of today, and was planning for over 1000 mainline aircraft. Given the soaring costs of inputs over the past two decades, exclusivity contracts make absolutely no sense since pricing can be controlled by leveraging one manufacture against the other. And while it may be difficult for some US-based a.netters to understand, DL may actually prefer Airbus in some segments of its flying.

FWIW I personally don't believe DL was going to replace all of its planes one for one. The RJ industry was just starting to upward trend. I believe, just like we saw, they were going to replace the low end mainline planes with DCI. JMO though.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 92):
Not quite. AA, UA and DL are holding onto their late production models of the 757.

not completely true for DL. A large amount have already had their 3rd HMVs (some have already had the 4th HMV) DL isn't going to do a 5th overhaul on them which means they have, IIRC, 6 years left to live.

Quoting zeke (Reply 94):

Both the DL A320 and 757-200 fleets are around 20 years old (around 145 frames) and could do with replacing.

not at all. Like CompensateMe pointed out some of the 757s are pretty new. Also the bulk of the 320 fleet is young.

more importantly DL flies airplanes for 25-35 years. Like i said about, 757s will go as they come due for the 5th overhaul.

Quoting mayor (Reply 95):
At the end of the A310s time with DL, some of those were very new a/c, fresh from the factory....maybe only 3-4years old.

this is true. I'm just saying the PA birds that were replaced with 310-300s were in rough shape.

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 97):
I would've expected them to order V2500 powered A321's for the longer routes and use 739s on short haul. But, if you're going to put the A321 on a short haul leisure route, clearly DL has speced them out approriately.

As long as TechOps does the CFM56-5B in-house you and expect that to be the engine choice. However I have heard management say a few times they are studying the idea of bringing the V2500s in-house and buying V2500 powered 321s. (heard new and used)
but if the engine stays out I can't see DL buying more engines they have to send to New Zealand or Europe for overhaul when they can do it in-house on the CFM for cheaper and get better numbers.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:12 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 73):

That is a blindingly stupid statement when you look at the 777, 747 and 787 fleets on European airlines. Especially considering that the 77w fleet at AF outnumbers the entire 77w fleet of the US3.
There are a huge number of airlines in Europe and around the world with combined Boeing widebody and Airbus narrow body fleets.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:41 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 100):
I'm just saying the PA birds that were replaced with 310-300s were in rough shape.

It's true.........the PA people at TLV were telling me that they hoped one of the first things DL fixed on the -200s was the onboard loading system. I remember in one or two cases, where the pallet locks didn't work (in the doorway) that we had to tap them in the locked position.
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:53 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 100):
this is true. I'm just saying the PA birds that were replaced with 310-300s were in rough shape.

My first job out of college was working on the ramp for Delta in a market that saw A310-200s and -300s. I started a month after the asset transfer. The aircraft were still painted all-white. I can attest..they were in ROUGH shape. Delta dispatch standards meant that we took quite a few major delays and cancellations.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:31 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 100):
As long as TechOps does the CFM56-5B in-house you and expect that to be the engine choice. However I have heard management say a few times they are studying the idea of bringing the V2500s in-house and buying V2500 powered 321s. (heard new and used)

I don't know how much or what parts of the V2500 are like it's RR half siblings and which are like its P&W ones, but considering that DL has a sizeable fleet of aircraft powered by both (and Techops will now be a RR sevice center), as well as already having V2500 powered MD90's (an airplane, knowing DL, that they will likely want to keep flying for a long time), I would have to imagine that getting Techops set to do V2500s has to be something DL is actively working on. I'll be the first to confess to being a Boeing fanboy, but even I have to admit that buying up a batch of final run V2500 powered A321s as an at least partial replacement for the premium transcon 757s has to be something DL is looking at.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:01 pm

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 104):
I don't know how much or what parts of the V2500 are like it's RR half siblings and which are like its P&W ones, but considering that DL has a sizeable fleet of aircraft powered by both (and Techops will now be a RR sevice center), as well as already having V2500 powered MD90's (an airplane, knowing DL, that they will likely want to keep flying for a long time), I would have to imagine that getting Techops set to do V2500s has to be something DL is actively working on. I'll be the first to confess to being a Boeing fanboy, but even I have to admit that buying up a batch of final run V2500 powered A321s as an at least partial replacement for the premium transcon 757s has to be something DL is looking at.

There is a strong rumor that the V2500 will be coming inhouse. The current contract is up and word is the vendor does not want to renew it, The V2500 on the MD90 is said to be a hand full to work on and nobody wants the contract. By default they may have to come inhouse.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:46 am

Quoting RandWKop (Reply 101):

That is a blindingly stupid statement when you look at the 777, 747 and 787 fleets on European airlines. Especially considering that the 77w fleet at AF outnumbers the entire 77w fleet of the US3.

Okay first, exactly what statement are you talking about?

second, why don't we compare apples to apples, what airbus planes do or did they offer that can do the same things the 747, 777, 787 can/could do at the time airlines like AF/LH ordered them?

lets see, 777 Airbus had the A340, both of which AF/LH ordered. LH still has them even if they are uneconmical compared to the 777 and AF also has them.
the 747 that would be a big nothing. When the 744 came it AB didn't have anything close, and the 748 of LH the 380 is bigger and the 346 is smaller.
and the 787, well AF/LH both are ordering the 350 also.

So again, let me know when the Euro airlines start taking 737MAX and we will see if people with flags like yours dont freak about it.

Quoting mayor (Reply 102):

It's true.........the PA people at TLV were telling me that they hoped one of the first things DL fixed on the -200s was the onboard loading system. I remember in one or two cases, where the pallet locks didn't work (in the doorway) that we had to tap them in the locked position.
Quoting jetlanta (Reply 103):

My first job out of college was working on the ramp for Delta in a market that saw A310-200s and -300s. I started a month after the asset transfer. The aircraft were still painted all-white. I can attest..they were in ROUGH shape. Delta dispatch standards meant that we took quite a few major delays and cancellations.

this is what I have heard. Plus I believe the new 310s DL got had better legs than the exPA birds.

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 104):
I don't know how much or what parts of the V2500 are like it's RR half siblings and which are like its P&W ones, but considering that DL has a sizeable fleet of aircraft powered by both (and Techops will now be a RR sevice center), as well as already having V2500 powered MD90's (an airplane, knowing DL, that they will likely want to keep flying for a long time), I would have to imagine that getting Techops set to do V2500s has to be something DL is actively working on. I'll be the first to confess to being a Boeing fanboy, but even I have to admit that buying up a batch of final run V2500 powered A321s as an at least partial replacement for the premium transcon 757s has to be something DL is looking at.

last I heard Don (the VP of TechOps) was looking at the V2500, CFM56-5A and the PW4168s. The problem for the CFM56-5A and the V2500s is room. On the V2500 side they would likely offer both the V2500-D5 and V2500-A5 so hopefully they would be able to get the MRO money from the A5 like they do for the other engines they offer. Having said that I don't know where they could put a V2500 engine line and I don't think the CFM56 shop could handle bringing in ~250 engines.

and for the PW4168 I don't think they could run it in the test cell, having said that the PW4000 shop could use the work since the 744 PW4000-94 work is leaving. (and probably at least some PW4000 work as they start replacing 767-300ERs.)

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 105):

There is a strong rumor that the V2500 will be coming inhouse. The current contract is up and word is the vendor does not want to renew it, The V2500 on the MD90 is said to be a hand full to work on and nobody wants the contract. By default they may have to come inhouse.

It keeps getting talked about when the contract comes up. I hope they do it this time but I have no idea where they can put it. The engine shop is pretty full. (hell I don't know where/how they are going to fit the BR715 in)
It would be kind of cool if they did the V2500s or CFM56-5As up in MSP.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:41 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 106):
we will see if people with flags like yours dont freak about it.

Quite the narrow minded statement I would say.
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:57 am

Looking at the seatmap on Seatguru, it looks like they are going with the 17.2" wide seats instead of the 18" wide ones they are transitioning the A319/A320 back to. Anybody know if that is an error or why that is? Thought the Airbuses had that extra width...
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:07 am

Quoting gatibosgru (Reply 107):

Quite the narrow minded statement I would say.

and I would say that you need to say the same to all the posters with euro flags next to their names saying US posters take issue with US airline buying Airbus.

Quoting MSNfan (Reply 108):
Looking at the seatmap on Seatguru, it looks like they are going with the 17.2" wide seats instead of the 18" wide ones they are transitioning the A319/A320 back to. Anybody know if that is an error or why that is? Thought the Airbuses had that extra width...

seatguru is wrong. its 18 in

I believe all the airbus in fleet are 18 in Y or will be (319/320)
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:09 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 106):
It keeps getting talked about when the contract comes up. I hope they do it this time but I have no idea where they can put it. The engine shop is pretty full. (hell I don't know where/how they are going to fit the BR715 in)
It would be kind of cool if they did the V2500s or CFM56-5As up in MSP.

The BR715 line is being set up currently. It is against the far west end of the building near the large test cell. I think they plan on being ready later this spring.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:05 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 110):

The BR715 line is being set up currently. It is against the far west end of the building near the large test cell. I think they plan on being ready later this spring.

oh so over next to the CF6 shop? where they did..... I think blade balancing or something?

Also can anyone know if the BRs can run in the small cell or if they have to go in the large cell?
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:01 pm

So will the A321 and 737-900 have the same mission at Delta?
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:21 pm

Quoting william (Reply 112):
So will the A321 and 737-900 have the same mission at Delta?

Without the auxiliary fuel tanks installed, the airplane will not be flying transcon routes. Fortunately, most of Delta's network does not require long transcon flights. DL has relatively few longer trancon flights compared to AA and UA since DTW, MSP, SLC and ATL have few domestic routes over 2,000 miles. I don't think we'll see them flying to the west coast from JFK. Anything that the MD88 or MD90 flies is within range of an A321 without the aux tanks, so I'd assume that the A321s will be used for similar type flights. The 737-900ER should have enough range to fly any route within the lower 48 (routes like BOS-SFO/LAX might be an issue in the winter) so I think the 737s may see more flying on the west and east coast wheras the A321 would work well for north to south and mid con high density routes. The A321 is perfect for Florida. It may never fly to SEA since Delta typically does not fly Airbus narrowbodies to SEA.
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:54 pm

Does anyone know whether N301DN has flown again since arriving at MSP on March 17th? I would think that at the very least there would be some flight crew familiarization happening. Perhaps FlightAware and Flightradar24 wouldn't necessarily be able to track such flights.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:20 pm

Quoting bgm (Reply 14):
Congrats to DL. The A321 is an excellent aircraft. Hope they furnish the cabin to be not quite as horrid as their 739ER.

This is worse
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:33 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 115):
This is worse

How so?
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:00 am

Quoting bgm (Reply 116):

Quoting N1120A (Reply 115):
This is worse

How so?

Probably referencing the pretty dense seating arrangement. Despite its 20 seat F cabin, the DL bird actually has more total seats than B6's standard non-mint A321s which have no F section. Also, when compared to AA's new A321s, although DL has an extra row of F (4 seats), they have 13 fewer E+ seats (36 on AA and 23 on DL) and 20 more standard E seats. The 739 has the same number of F, only 2 fewer DC+, but 10 fewer standard E, so a more favorable ratio of premium seats.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:16 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 106):

I think most of the Euro carriers took the A320 because of it's cargo loading advantage over the 737. Also the A320 was better than the 737 classic. KL still took the 737 as did FR and have stuck with it even though they are probably not getting the deal they previously had from Boeing
. As for the 777, 747. You are probably right to a point. If Airbus has anything competitive then the European airlines should look at it. But BA, KL, VS, DY among others have ordered the 787 despite Airbus having a viable alternative in the 330 CEO / NEO. LH have 777-9 on order and Swiss took the 77W.
I don't think too many Europeans are freaking out at this. They have the sense to know that many Boeing components are made in the EU. Just like many Airbus components are made in the US. The A350 flew over the Spirit plant for a reason and if you look up the you tube video you will see plenty of your country men cheering it on.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:58 am

Anyone know if the inaugural flight is DL1983 ATLMCO 02MAY? Thanks!
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:25 pm

Quoting pdx (Reply 119):

I think it is, and I hope that the next two aircraft are being delivered soon, as DL will need to have at least three available for the start of service, perhaps keeping a spare in case one goes technical.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:35 pm

The second DL A321, N302DN, is being ferried today, routing the same way as the first one, XFW>KEF>YYR>MSP

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9931

[Edited 2016-04-13 06:40:17]
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:47 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 120):
I think it is, and I hope that the next two aircraft are being delivered soon, as DL will need to have at least three available for the start of service, perhaps keeping a spare in case one goes technical.

Based on the schedule they only need 2.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:28 pm

The first A321 flew from MSP to ATL the other day. It is inside Tech Ops now.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:07 am

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 105):
The V2500 on the MD90 is said to be a hand full to work on and nobody wants the contract. By default they may have to come inhouse.

I really don't know much about this, but am curious, is the issue specific to the MD-90 installation or variant or is it a more general V2500 problem? I have flown both CFM and V2500's on Airbus products and personally prefer the CFM, but MX is not my specialty so I am curious for your insights! Thanks.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 115):
Quoting bgm (Reply 14):Congrats to DL. The A321 is an excellent aircraft. Hope they furnish the cabin to be not quite as horrid as their 739ER. This is worse

I have no idea whether it's better or worse, but a three word reply saying "this is worse" isn't especially enlightening. Why specifically is it worse?
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:42 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 124):
have no idea whether it's better or worse, but a three word reply saying "this is worse" isn't especially enlightening. Why specifically is it worse?

Read reply 117
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:10 pm

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 117):
Despite its 20 seat F cabin, the DL bird actually has more total seats than B6's standard non-mint A321s which have no F section

jetBlue has 2 fewer seats total. But they also have 41 seats that are pitched 37-41" (at or higher than Delta's F pitch based off other fleets) and the rest are at 33".
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:18 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 124):

I really don't know much about this, but am curious, is the issue specific to the MD-90 installation or variant or is it a more general V2500 problem? I have flown both CFM and V2500's on Airbus products and personally prefer the CFM, but MX is not my specialty so I am curious for your insights! Thanks.

I believe the V2500 has higher MX costs in general.

having said that I imagine the D5 has higher costs because so few engines are in use compared to the A5 (and probably even A1). Generally where you get the benefit of a MRO because they have higher economies of scale compared to an in-house operation but in the case of the V2500-D5 DL is the only operator in the world so they probably get very little if any (IMO it probably cost more) to have a MRO do the work.

But i can't imagine DL is happy having to send engines all the way to New Zealand for overhaul. Sending the engine out when they only had 16 airplanes made sense but I can't believe it and the CFM56-5A engines haven't come in-house by now.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:58 pm

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 125):
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 124): have no idea whether it's better or worse, but a three word reply saying "this is worse" isn't especially enlightening. Why specifically is it worse?Read reply 117

I did read it and it was supposition; we have no way of knowing what he meant because he gave us no useful information or insight. "This is worse" is useless without explanation or context.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 127):
I believe the V2500 has higher MX costs in general. having said that I imagine the D5 has higher costs because so few engines are in use compared to the A5 (and probably even A1). Generally where you get the benefit of a MRO because they have higher economies of scale compared to an in-house operation but in the case of the V2500-D5 DL is the only operator in the world so they probably get very little if any (IMO it probably cost more) to have a MRO do the work.

Thanks for that. I like to know about other fields related to mine, and this is one I know comparatively little about. What you say makes sense and I appreciate you bringing me up to speed. Thanks!
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:10 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 126):
jetBlue has 2 fewer seats total. But they also have 41 seats that are pitched 37-41" (at or higher than Delta's F pitch based off other fleets) and the rest are at 33".

It is 7 rows on B6 vs 5 rows of F for DL (rows is better than total seat count, considering B6's EMS is 3-3 vs DL's 2-2 F) but 3 of those rows are exit rows, which often have extra seat pitch even in Y on DL (and other airlines).

Delta of course also uses Spaceflex galleys. It is hard to quantify that in "tightness" though by seat maps because that gives more room for seats at the expensive of space for DL's employees and anyone taking a leak.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:07 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 126):
jetBlue has 2 fewer seats total. But they also have 41 seats that are pitched 37-41" (at or higher than Delta's F pitch based off other fleets) and the rest are at 33".

Actually we might both wrong depending on what source you look at. DL's press release puts their A321 at 192 seats.

Seatguru and seatmaestro say that B6's Core A321's have 190 seats (149 coach and 41 EMS), but B6's website says they have 200 in some places and 190 in others.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:26 pm

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 130):
Actually we might both wrong depending on what source you look at. DL's press release puts their A321 at 192 seats.

Seatguru and seatmaestro say that B6's Core A321's have 190 seats (149 coach and 41 EMS), but B6's website says they have 200 in some places and 190 in others.
B6's Core A321 currently have 190 seats. Beginning in the second half of this year they will be reconfigured and have 200 seats (the A320s will have 162 seats). Y pitch is being reduced from 33" to 32", and Spaceflex lavs are being installed like at DL.

The Mint A321s are staying the same, at least for now.

[Edited 2016-04-14 12:28:54]
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:08 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 128):

Thanks for that. I like to know about other fields related to mine, and this is one I know comparatively little about. What you say makes sense and I appreciate you bringing me up to speed. Thanks!

FWIW I don't know much about the V2500 so I can't comment on the specifics of the engine compared to say the CFM56
but those are some of the bigger ideas of why I think they cost more to do.

Also, my understanding at least, was the BR715 wasn't going to come in house either but the cost of sending them out, the TAT and TBO of the vendor sucking and DL getting closer to RR changed DL management minds. Could be wrong.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:16 pm

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 88):
When does DL get their first Mobile-built?

Mobile will start on the Delta birds in a few weeks. Right now they are doing a batch of 8 or 10 American, then a few Spirit and then a mix of Delta, American and Spirit.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Mon May 02, 2016 3:06 pm

Quoting BravoEchoNov (Reply 123):

It looks like the inaugural A321 flight from ATL>MCO, DL1983, originally scheduled for today, has been postponed until tomorrow.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1983

[Edited 2016-05-02 08:24:50]
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Tue May 03, 2016 1:35 pm

Interesting to see that FR24 is listing the registration as N302DE, not N302DN, for today's inanaugural A321 flight! Has it been changed or is this an error? PlaneFinder is showing it as N302DN however!

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL1983/9992b67

[Edited 2016-05-03 06:49:15]
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Tue May 03, 2016 2:42 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 135):

Interesting to see that FR24 is listing the registration as N302DE, not N302DN, for today's inanaugural A321 flight! Has it been changed or is this an error?

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL1983/9992b67

It's an error.
 
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Tue May 03, 2016 8:46 pm

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The third . A321-211SL aircraft delivered to Delta Air Lines - MSN 7061, reg. N303DN (test reg. D-AVXU) with the cabin configuration: C20 W29 Y140, powered by twin . CFM56-5B3/3 twin-shaft turbofans (fan diameter: 1.735 mm / 68,3 in, eng. architecture: F+4LPC-9HPC ^ 1HPT-4LPT), each 142,34 kN / 14.515 kgf / 32.000 lbf, flying on the route XFW-KEF-YYR-MSP, was delivered to the customer on 30. Apr 2016.

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Current fleet of Delta Air Lines´ Airbus A321 aircrafts:

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Airbus A321 current engine options:

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American Airlines has 181 Airbus A321 aircrafts in its fleet; 43 of them are of type Airbus A321-211, and the remaining 138 aircrafts are of type Airbus A321-231, powered by twin . V2533-A5 twin-shaft turbofans (fan diameter: 1.613 mm / 63,5 in, eng. architecture: F+4LPC-10HPC ^ 2HPT-5LPT), each 140,56 kN / 14.333 kgf / 31.600 lbf.
It was pretty interesting for me to discover that some of the Airbus A321 aircrafts in AA´s fleet, 17 of them, have 4 class cabin configuration: F10 C20 W36 Y36 ...

JetBlue Airways has 29 Airbus A321 aircrafts in its fleet and all of them are of type A321-231SL. One of those is the first . aircraft built in the Airbus U.S. Manufacturing Facility, AL, USA - MSN 6512, reg. N965JT, delivered on 25. Apr 2016 ...

US Airways, before merging with American Airlines, was operating 95 Airbus A321 aircrafts; 43 of them were Airbus A321-211 and the remaining 52 - Airbus A321-231. All those aircrafts are now in the American Airlines´ fleet...


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Mario
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Tue May 03, 2016 9:35 pm

Quoting mfranjic (Reply 137):
aircrafts
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aircrafts
Quoting mfranjic (Reply 137):
aircrafts
Quoting mfranjic (Reply 137):
aircrafts
Quoting mfranjic (Reply 137):
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Thanks for the info, Mario. FYI, in English, the plural of aircraft is aircraft (not aircrafts).  
Quoting mfranjic (Reply 137):
It was pretty interesting for me to discover that some of the Airbus A321 aircrafts in AA´s fleet, 17 of them, have 4 class cabin configuration: F10 C20 W36 Y36 ...

Those do the transcon runs JFK-LAX/SFO. They also have a subfleet that are ETOPS certified for the Hawaii flights, and rest are standard domestic.
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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Tue May 03, 2016 11:09 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 124):
I really don't know much about this, but am curious, is the issue specific to the MD-90 installation or variant or is it a more general V2500 problem? I have flown both CFM and V2500's on Airbus products and personally prefer the CFM, but MX is not my specialty so I am curious for your insights! Thanks.
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 124):
I have no idea whether it's better or worse, but a three word reply saying "this is worse" isn't especially enlightening. Why specifically is it worse?
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 128):
Thanks for that. I like to know about other fields related to mine, and this is one I know comparatively little about. What you say makes sense and I appreciate you bringing me up to speed. Thanks!

The V2500 on our MD90s had a very bad habit of ingesting FOD which resulted in astronomical maintenance costs. Life was made all the more difficult with IAE trying to weasel out of their contractual obligations.

On the A320 fleet, technically both the CFM56 and V2500 are excellent engines. Upto 27k rating, the CFM56 has slightly higher EGT margins in the region of 120C when new and will last a little longer on wing. Engines on the A319/320 will usually stay on the wing until they become due for LLP replacement. For higher thrust ratings at 30K+ on the A321, the V2500 has the higher margins and slightly lower rates of EGT deterioration. Both the CFM56 and V2500 on the A321 require removal for performance restoration prior to LLP replacement however.

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RE: DL Takes Delivery Of First A-321

Wed May 04, 2016 12:45 am

Saw the first flight today at MCO taxiing on it's way back to ATL. Good looking plane in Delta colors and I'm sure it will serve them well.

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