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FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:03 am

According to FR24 the registration is A6-FDN. Was arriving at ROV from DXB.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:03 am

Just saw this story as well. I hope it's not as bad as it sounds. Seems to be FZ981 A6-FDN.

Edit: Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the case.  

[Edited 2016-03-18 19:10:12]

[Edited 2016-03-18 19:11:50]
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:04 am

Yeah. CNN originally said "a Russian passenger jet", but now are changing that. It's gonna be FlyDubai.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:05 am

https://www.rt.com/news/336185-boeing-crash-dubai-rostov/

Sad story. May all souls RIP.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:05 am

Aircraft was circling for quite some time for some reason. Finally started its approach and crashed on final.. Seemed to speed up on final approach before the crash...

 
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:08 am

According to FR24 OK914 PRG-ROV was circling around ROV before diverting toward KRR
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:09 am

Just got the emergency alert. What was the weather like?
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:10 am

Reporting no survivors.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:10 am

Tass now saying it's FlyDubai flight 981.

A 737-800 with only 55 on board, including crew. Tass now announcing all perished.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:12 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...crew-fireball-Russian-airport.html

Security cam footage of the aircraft striking the ground.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:12 am

Very sad to hear. I am surprised however that the load factor on their flight is so low.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:13 am

So sad. R.I.P. to all on board.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:13 am

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 6):

According to FR24 OK914 PRG-ROV was circling around ROV before diverting toward KRR

If Czech Airlines circled and then diverted beofre this flight, then perhaps weather or an operational issue is implicated. If it did so afterwards, stands to reason airport was closed due to crash.

[Edited 2016-03-18 19:20:53]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:13 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 10):
Security cam footage of the aircraft striking the ground.

Wow. That was fast.

If that footage is indeed what the Daily Mail claims it to be, the aircraft is either totally out of control, or the pilots have for some reason not arrested a very-steep descent. The traffic on the street seems to reflect that the video isn't speeded-up. Presumably that's a landing light that we see falling, as opposed to something that's on fire (as we know, some witnesses always claim the thing was on fire), but it is hard to tell. The post-impact fireball is consistent with other aircraft accidents I have seen, which at least doesn't dispel the possibility that this video might be real.

Let's hope that this is an accident and not something else, but if that's a flaming aircraft coming down...wow.

Daily Mail states as follows:

"Russian officials confirmed: 'According to preliminary data, the Boeing 738 crashed in poor visibility conditions, some 50-100 meters left of the runway.' "

[Edited 2016-03-18 19:29:30]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:19 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 13):
If Czech Airlines circled and then diverted beofre this flight, then perhaps weather or operational issues is implicated. If it did so afterwards, stands to reason airport was closed due to crash.

Just rechecked the FR24 arrival board for ROV. Looks like the OK flight was supposed to arrive after the FZ flight so almost certainly due to the crash considering there were no delays or diversions before the FZ flight.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:19 am

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(CNN) A Boeing 738 passenger jet crashed as it was landing at the Rostov-on-Don airport in southern Russia, the country's Southern Regional Emergency Center said Saturday.

Hmm, our thread calls it a 738, CNN calls it a 738 -- coincidence?

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:19 am

METAR: URRR 190130Z 24012G18MPS 4400 1700SW SHRA BKN013 BKN032CB OVC100 06/04 Q0997 R22/290046 TEMPO 25017G25MPS 1000 SHRA BR SCT003 BKN020CB RMK QFE740/0987


This was the forecast at Rostov about an hour ago. Cumulonimbus clouds, strong gusting winds, rain showers and low visibility
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:19 am

That looks like the first fatal accident involving a passenger aircraft based in the UAE.

The only other two I can find are a DC-7C freighter in 1976 that struck a mountain on descent to NBO, killing the 4 crew, and an Antonov 12 in 1999 that crashed on approach to Luanda, Angola (returning after takeoff due to engine problems) killing the 11 on the aircraft plus 13 on the ground.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:20 am

Flightradara has the full path and track. There is CCTV. Russia's EMERCOM has already published a statement.
This is getting to be horribly fast.

I'm no expert, but the video seems to show the plane falling as, at least the glare that you can see, that just can't be an approach glide.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:22 am

Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 19):
I'm no expert, but the video seems to show the plane falling as, at least the glare that you can see, that just can't be an approach glide.

It was quite a dramatically steep impact... Just pure speculation (I know people hate it, but we're aviation geeks and it's a forum), but I wonder if it was a failed go around in low visibility. FR24 track shows it speeding up quickly right on final approach before end of tracking.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:27 am

Flight track from FR24: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/a6-fdn/#922b3bd

http://i66.tinypic.com/xmr5sn.jpg

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:28 am

Impossible to tell the aircraft's actual attitude in the dark. Clearly dropping like a ton of bricks though. Windshear or microburst perhaps??
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:29 am

3:50 in the morning and the camera catches a falling glare. Engine fire? From a malfunction/strike/bird-strike? FR shows the plane going well under 200 knots, malfunction-no-recovery-stall?
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:30 am

That's a lot of holding and circling. Fuel starvation?
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:31 am

Quoting KPDX (Reply 20):
FR24 track shows it speeding up quickly right on final approach before end of tracking.

FR24 track will be ACARS airspeed data, no? Not estimated groundspeed like it is in the US. That could, maybe, maybe, maybe indicate some windshear activity. And maybe not.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:36 am

this flight was over two hours longer than it normally is, with all the circling. (6 hours versus a normal 3:50.) I have to ask again, fuel starvation?

EDIT: Also, there's a whole TWO HOURS of flying after the go-around.

Why no diversion?

[Edited 2016-03-18 19:39:22]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:38 am

Is that a fire shown in the video before the aircraft hits the ground?
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:41 am

Quoting drew13btv (Reply 28):
Is that a fire shown in the video before the aircraft hits the ground?

I asked myself the same question, but when I paused the video, it appeared to be the landing lights - pointed nearly straight down.  

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:41 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):

this flight was over two hours longer than it normally is, with all the circling. (6 hours versus a normal 3:50.) I have to ask again, fuel starvation?

Or so much fuel has been burnt that further holding or a diversion is impossible and they're forced into a approach they have to land off with very adverse weather in the area. A very bad situation
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:43 am

Quoting drew13btv (Reply 28):
Is that a fire shown in the video before the aircraft hits the ground?

Looks to me like light landing lights.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:43 am

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:48 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 25):
FR24 track will be ACARS airspeed data, no? Not estimated groundspeed like it is in the US. That could, maybe, maybe, maybe indicate some windshear activity. And maybe not.
Quoting D L X (Reply 24):

That's a lot of holding and circling. Fuel starvation?

Obviously a bit soon to get into speculation, but, I would hazard a guess, that like a lot of such accidents, its more likely to be a loss of control and/or disorientation due to fatigue after all that circling around in poor conditions, the usual human factor that has been the cause of so many airline accidents in recent times.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:50 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
Why no diversion?

No US-style, FAA mandated, dispatcher/cockpit partnership?
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:50 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 9):
A 737-800 with only 55 on board, including crew.

Luckily this flight had a very poor load...  
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:52 am

Quoting sierrakilo44 (Reply 30):

This is why we have "bingo" fuel. When you get to a certain point, you divert. A fuel starvation situation should not happen.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:53 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
this flight was over two hours longer than it normally is, with all the circling. (6 hours versus a normal 3:50.) I have to ask again, fuel starvation?

It seems like it has been battling an extremely strong headwind en route. That will explain part of the 2+ hours extra.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:54 am

Quoting awthompson (Reply 33):

Obviously a bit soon to get into speculation, but, I would hazard a guess, that like a lot of such accidents, its more likely to be a loss of control and/or disorientation due to fatigue after all that circling around in poor conditions, the usual human factor that has been the cause of so many airline accidents in recent times.


That's as good an EWAG as any. However, you want to believe that transport category pilots aren't going to slip into a death spiral due to disorientation absent some other compelling Factor. But, God bless them, it has happened far too recently.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:56 am

Granted its a security video, but I don't see any significant wind and - at least near the ground - the vis looks reasonable. Hard to say where the ceiling was however.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:00 am

Chilling video. I pray for all aboard and their loved ones...and hope there was no suffering. R I P.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:00 am

Quoting sierrakilo44 (Reply 17):

This was the forecast at Rostov about an hour ago. Cumulonimbus clouds, strong gusting winds, rain showers and low visibility
Quoting sierrakilo44 (Reply 30):

Or so much fuel has been burnt that further holding or a diversion is impossible and they're forced into a approach they have to land off with very adverse weather in the area. A very bad situation

Weather isnt that bad. If they were tooling around for 2 hours after a go around they have to be low on gas. Microburst is a possibiity but the METAR posted doesn't really reflect it if accurate.

Im guessing fuel starvation or just totally losing SA.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:03 am

RIP to those who died onboard. From fhe video it looks like as if it was a fuel shortage.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:05 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
That's a lot of holding and circling. Fuel starvation?
Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 42):
RIP to those who died onboard. From fhe video it looks like as if it was a fuel shortage.

Fuel starvation wouldn't explain the very steep descent shown in the video. Airliners glide remarkably well. Not to mention the big fireball which would have been tricky to generate without fuel...

Quoting Flaps (Reply 22):
Impossible to tell the aircraft's actual attitude in the dark. Clearly dropping like a ton of bricks though. Windshear or microburst perhaps??

Pure speculation but could be. A microburst could lead to loss of control, very steep descent and/or structural failure.

[Edited 2016-03-18 20:06:49]

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:06 am

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 42):
RIP to those who died onboard. From fhe video it looks like as if it was a fuel shortage.

The giant fireball indicates otherwise.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:07 am

Based on the video, this was no fuel starvation. The aircraft seems to be coming down nose first, rather than some kind of glide, and the explosion and fire indicates there was some fuel on board.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:11 am

While there was fuel on board, it is possible that there wasn't enough left for a go-around and another approach, forcing their hand, so to speak. I would consider that to also be a fuel starvation situation even if not every drop had been burned. That being said, far to early to tell what happened. The weather doesn't seem particularly treacherous, but micro burst could change that in a hurry. Awful.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:15 am

Even a tiny bit of fuel will create enough of a blast to light up a security video in dark conditions.
Looks like they were holding for a long time though so they couldn't have had too much fuel remaining.

Quoting ual777 (Reply 41):
Weather isnt that bad

Maybe not from the report but a lot of weather forecasts will only report predicted CB clouds, gusting winds and showers rather than pure thunderstorms so some airlines can use that as an excuse not to carry extra holding fuel. Not saying that's what happened here though.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:18 am

A botched go around perhaps? Abrupt accel/decel particularly in poor weather can play tricks on you.

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 38):

That's as good an EWAG as any. However, you want to believe that transport category pilots aren't going to slip into a death spiral due to disorientation absent some other compelling Factor. But, God bless them, it has happened far too recently.

That's right.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:19 am

Regarding the explosion on ground we have to first consider what was on the ground that could have been hit. There could have been flammable substances like fuel tanks.
In my home airport we have not one but two gas stations almost under the glide path next to the runways fence and this is a far too common occurrence around the world.

Hence fuel starvation cannot be fully eliminated based on the fire ball
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:20 am

Looks like a near-vertical drop with a very steep bank angle to the left. And it seems like the weather at the time would have amplified the light from the nose gear landing lights, making it look like the aircraft was on fire before impact. Pure speculation, though...

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