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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:40 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 102):
Sky Dubai is their ATC callsign.
Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 103):
Sky Dubai is their callsign so thats completely normal.

Ah, thank you.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:45 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 99):
By the sounds of it, they had fuel for an alternate and over 2 hours of holding. Seems like it is above and beyond what most would uplift, allowing them to hold for a landing at passenger destination, rather than be forced to divert early due to not enough fuel to continue holding.

Fuel is expensive in russia for foreign airlines and many opt for maximum d/t refueling cost. Same goed for russian airlines to other countries, that often dont require refueling at their destination for the return flight.

In this case i think that an airline from dubai would take as much fuel as possible, and keep the uplift to a minimum. Also the payload was little, it surely could take max fuel on departure.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:50 am

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 105):
Fuel is expensive in russia for foreign airlines and many opt for maximum d/t refueling cost. Same goed for russian airlines to other countries, that often dont require refueling at their destination for the return flight.

In this case i think that an airline from dubai would take as much fuel as possible, and keep the uplift to a minimum. Also the payload was little, it surely could take max fuel on departure.

Yep, I understand them tankering fuel to save money, hence leaving Dubai with enough fuel for 8 hours flight. But just because you have enough fuel on board to hold for 2 hours, doesn't mean you have to - surely it would have been safer to just divert to Krasnodar, only 150 miles away. Flydubai even fly to Krasnodar so they'd have ground arrangements in place, and passengers could be rebooked.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:51 am

This from yahoo:

http://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-pa...-board-cnn-022635484--finance.html

Article quote:

"The plane came down inside the airport's perimeter, about 250 metres (yards) short of the start of the runway."
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:54 am

Avherald.com now reporting that one of the wings struck the runway on touchdown, and it burst into flames. The video posted previously contradicts radar data and has been dismissed as a different previous crash.

[Edited 2016-03-18 22:56:30]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:55 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 93):
The tail strike (if true) seems to be key here. I think about the JAL 747 that had its rear pressure bulkhead blowout, taking its hydraulics with it. No idea if the 738 architecture would enable a similar scenario.

They would have to be high enough to actually pressurize for pressure to be a factor, so unless there was actual mechanical damage affecting the functionality of control cables and mechanisms, the rear pressure bulkhead (and other tail structures) shouldn't be a factor ...
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:00 am

Quoting Hywel (Reply 108):

Avherald.com now reporting that one of the wings struck the runway on touchdown, and it burst into flames. The video posted previously contradicts radar data and has been dismissed as a different previous crash

A link?
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:03 am

From the avherald site:

http://avherald.com/h?article=495997e2&opt=0

Article quote:

"After about 2 hours of holding the aircraft commenced another approach to Rostov's runway 22, winds from 240 degrees at 27 knots (14 m/s) gusting 42 knots (22 m/s), but struck a wing onto the runway at about 3:43 (00:43Z), broke up, came to a rest near the end and to the right of the runway and burst into flames. There are no survivors."
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:11 am

I haven't read the whole thread so i don't know if its been mentioned, but this is from the AV Herald

"but struck a wing onto the runway at about 3:43 (00:43Z), broke up, came to a rest near the end and to the right of the runway and burst into flames"

Which is considerably different to what the video posted in reply 10 shows

RIP to everyone on board

EDIT: It's mentioned literally two posts before me

[Edited 2016-03-18 23:24:33]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:28 am

AV Herald and noted in the comments section of their report that they have seen the video and have dismissed it based on the radar data they have available

http://avherald.com/h?article=495997e2&opt=0
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:32 am

I have some friends in FZ, they're all OK, but talking to them in the last months I think Fatigue is going to be an important factor in this crash. A lot of flying, lot of night flying, and they told me that they are really tired while flying.

Its a terrible crash, in my opinion holding for 2 hours was not a good idea, what was the alternative airport?? Landing in the middle of the night with very strong winds is very complicated.

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 113):

If you work in the business, you will understand that culture makes an extreme difference. This includes company regulations as well as the nationalities of the pilots. You will find anything, from a laugh at a massive overload to s scandal because of a misspelled name!

Most FZ pilots are foreigners, like in QR, EY or EK, but that's not a problem.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:34 am

Quoting Hywel (Reply 108):
The video posted previously contradicts radar data and has been dismissed as a different previous crash.


I hate to possibly derail the topic, but as long as the video isn't a hoax, I really have to wonder which crash that was.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:37 am

Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 116):
I hate to possibly derail the topic, but as long as the video isn't a hoax, I really have to wonder which crash that was.

Could be another angle from the previous nose-dive crash in Russia that was posted up-thread.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:43 am

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 82):
CB is cumulonimbus and thus a microburst seems like a logical solution given the ADS-B pings.

It's not impossible and it is late winter/early spring, so the degree of convection that would create conditions favorable for a microburst is conceivable. HOWEVER, it was 48F with a DP of 39F. There's really nothing here to indicate any significant convective activity.

Certainly, some other shear is plausible. My highly speculative guess here is as others have suggested: Loss of SA caused by or exacerbated by fatigue, weather, etc resulting in a stall.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:48 am

I am not sure that's a hoax video. It looks to have been filmed right at the airport.

I did some looking on Google Street View, and think I have the location where the video was filmed:

Link to Google Maps

[Edited 2016-03-18 23:50:27]
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:53 am

Quoting Hywel (Reply 91):

Holding for 2 hours is ridiculous, if company policy was dictating that then I'll never fly with flydubai. They should have diverted after maximum 30 mins holding. Safety comes first.

If you have the fuel for it, there is nothing unsafe about holding for that long unless you're dodging thunderstorm cells.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:55 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 113):
Most FZ pilots are foreigners, like in QR, EY or EK, but that's not a problem.

Again, if you have insight into the industry, you would understand what i mean. Just take KE for an example: there was at least one crash in which the first officer seemed to have been afraid to speak against his captains decision, due to their culture. The airline then completely changed its policy, with the support of western know how. And this is just one example for the flight deck... you have mx, ops, procedures, etc... all effected by different socializations. Trust me, there are some airlines i exclude for myself due to their pilots. This i understood only because of working with them.

Another example is the starved avianca 707, with a lawsuit based on cultural misunderstandings.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:57 am

The video did come out awfully fast. Barney Captain was the first to notice the similarity to the well-known video of the previous Russian crash, and on further review, they match up pretty well...

Regardless, the Russians are really pumping out the information. Passenger list with country of citizenship is already up.

Please, please, please CNN, stop using Scary Mary as your "expert". You would learn more from A.net. Even with the armchair speculation, it's a much more fertile source, particularly from our actual industry experts.

[Edited 2016-03-18 23:58:53]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:04 am

Quoting RRTrent (Reply 114):
AV Herald and noted in the comments section of their report that they have seen the video and have dismissed it based on the radar data they have available

http://avherald.com/h?article=495997e2&opt=0

I guess you might not have seen this just up the thread:

Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 110):
From the avherald site:

http://avherald.com/h?article=495997e2&opt=0

Article quote:

"After about 2 hours of holding the aircraft commenced another approach to Rostov's runway 22, winds from 240 degrees at 27 knots (14 m/s) gusting 42 knots (22 m/s), but struck a wing onto the runway at about 3:43 (00:43Z), broke up, came to a rest near the end and to the right of the runway and burst into flames. There are no survivors."


Edit: Close timing with posts. And nothing wrong with supplemental information. Apologies if I came across rudely, not much sleep lately.

[Edited 2016-03-19 00:25:13]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:08 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 117):
The video did come out awfully fast. Barney Captain was the first to notice the similarity to the well-known video of the previous Russian crash, and on further review, they match up pretty well...

That was my first thought as well. I'm not entirely sure, but to my eyes it looks different.

1) The angle of the video released this evening looks like the airplane hits the ground at a shallower angle than the Tatarstan crash. Of course, this could be affected by the viewing angle and/or my eyes playing tricks on me.

2) The fireball seems to be affected by the wind much more in this latest video than in the Tatarstan accident. In addition, the leafless trees in the foreground are shaking quite a bit, indicative of pretty signifiant winds.

3) I couldn't find anything that matched the foreground scenery when I looked at the Kazan airport on Google Maps, but I found a spot at Rostov-on-Don that looks remarkably similar. See my previous post.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:11 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 114):
I am not sure that's a hoax video. It looks to have been filmed right at the airport.

The crash angle seems too high for a plane that had a wing strike, but they're trying to go around, so maybe they climbed a few feet before going down to the side of the damage wing.

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 116):

I know, I understand your point, CRM. Maybe the decision to hold for 2 hours having the forecast and showing that the weather is not going to get better is a big crew mistake, we need to know the crew conversations to see how was the CRM and decision making.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:17 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 120):
The crash angle seems too high for a plane that had a wing strike, but they're trying to go around, so maybe they climbed a few feet before going down to the side of the damage wing.

I wouldn't dismiss a wing strike, but it seems unlikely to me at this point as itself being the cause of the crash. It seems like it might have just been some information that was blown out of proportion and perhaps mistranslated somewhere in the jumble of (mis)information coming from the accident site.

Being very hypothetical, and bordering on wild conjecture, I could see a scenario in which the aircraft landed short of the runway, causing catastrophic damage to the tail, which affected the go-around...but that's why trained aircraft investigators are there.

I'm just hoping the mutual friends I have at FlyDubai are safe and sound. It will be very tough on them.

[Edited 2016-03-19 00:22:19]
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:20 am

Quoting RRTrent (Reply 109):
AV Herald and noted in the comments section of their report that they have seen the video and have dismissed it based on the radar data they have available

I don't know how anyone could claim to have reliable radar data at this point, or to either confirm or deny the validity of the surveillance video.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:42 am

Sad accident. As always, of course.

And it is early days, lets wait for information to stabilise before making too many conclusions.

Still, if they were on their second go around, it is conceivable that they are either damaged their tail and controllability on the tail strike, or simply got disoriented and/or made a mistake that resulted in a stall.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:47 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 114):
I did some looking on Google Street View, and think I have the location where the video was filmed:

Link to Google Maps

I think you are spot on! Even the small yellow colour box on ground (telephone? electricity?) seems to be matching.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:50 am

What a sad day it is, my condolences to all the families who were hurt by this awful accident.

No regarding the video, after a small check, one can easily conclude that the CCTV footage is from Rostov On Don and not somewhere else.

Please see the following images:

1. CCTV footage, please note the bent tree on the right across the street, and the split tree on the left.
http://postimg.org/image/zb7onawdl/

2. A street view from yandex maps, circa 2015, look the marked trees.
http://postimg.org/image/g8ob0dld5/

3.Google street view from 2013, general view of the direction of the camera + the bent tree.
http://postimg.org/image/nd649esmh/

I can't remember any crashes in ROV in recent time, which make me believe avherald were wrong with their conclusion.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:53 am

In two hours, I'd have diverted to so many airports in the region. Even Moscow was just 1h30 away, and had much better weather conditions, just very light snow...
Which rol plays the ILS? Are any available?
ROV is a very old airport, and they are building a brand new which is supposed to enter in operations in 2018... https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Южный_(аэропорт) which will be called Rostov Yuzhniy replacing the old airport.

According to this charts, there seems there is no ILS or nothing similar to aiding landings in adverse weather conditions.
http://vatrus.info/sites/default/files/charts/URRR-1317.pdf

[Edited 2016-03-19 00:58:03]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:58 am

Quoting eielef (Reply 126):
According to this charts, there seems there is no ILS or nothing similar to aiding landings in adverse weather conditions.

Toward the end of those charts you will see ILS approaches for both runways 4 and 22, and a CatII ILS approach for runway 4.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:59 am

Quoting eielef (Reply 126):
In two hours, I'd have diverted to so many airports in the region. Even Moscow was just 1h30 away, and had much better weather conditions, just very light snow...
Which rol plays the ILS? Are any available?
ROV is a very old airport, and they are building a brand new which is supposed to enter in operations in 2018... https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Южный_(аэропорт) which will be called Rostov Yuzhniy (Rostov-Southern) replacing the old airport.

According to this charts, there seems there is no ILS or nothing similar to aiding landings in adverse weather conditions.
http://vatrus.info/sites/default/files/charts/URRR-1317.pdf

Look at page 29/30 in the pdf attached.
ILS rwy 22 chart.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:09 am

Question,

Comparing the alleged video of the plane crash of FZ981 with the Google Maps link, tverything seems to match. Yield sign. Yellow box. Trees. But the road in the foreground looks like a more narrow 2 lane road, not a 3 lane like in the Google Maps. I'm thinking maybe road repaved and lanes widened since Google drove through, then everything matches and the video is not fake.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 114):

I am not sure that's a hoax video. It looks to have been filmed right at the airport.

I did some looking on Google Street View, and think I have the location where the video was filmed:

Link to Google Maps


[Edited 2016-03-19 01:10:24]

[Edited 2016-03-19 01:13:05]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:11 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 122):
I don't know how anyone could claim to have reliable radar data at this point, or to either confirm or deny the validity of the surveillance video.

While I don't disagree with you, we have a video posted by a news outlet known more for their headline grabbing than their accurate reporting, and information from AVH that contradicts the video

Given the choice, I'll trust AVH over anyone else 100% of the time all the time.

However; data from FR24 was posted in this thread earlier which does appear to tie in more with the video at this point.

[Edited 2016-03-19 01:28:19]

[Edited 2016-03-19 01:29:29]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:11 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 112):
Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 116):
I hate to possibly derail the topic, but as long as the video isn't a hoax, I really have to wonder which crash that was.

Could be another angle from the previous nose-dive crash in Russia that was posted up-thread.

-Dave

Sure is a striking similarity there. One of my first thoughts was: "Boy, that sure does remind me of the 735 crash in Russia, not all that long ago" although something just **seemed** different about the two crashes. But I digress...
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:12 am

Raw data from FR24 shows the aircraft going from a 4000fpm climb to roughly a 6000fpm dive within about five seconds. Vertical speed of over 21,000fpm just before impact seems very consistent with the video released.

http://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/711087904366456832
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:25 am

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It sounds like "scuttlebutt" over the radio
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:29 am

Quoting ScottKBUF (Reply 132):
Raw data from FR24 shows the aircraft going from a 4000fpm climb

I could most definitely be wrong, and if the site data is actually correct, the climb rate seems a little bit high. I was thinking the average rate was around 2800, or 3000fpm.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:30 am

Whether or not the video in question is of the Fly Dubai airlines crash, it is definitely NOT of that "other" recent crash in Russia. You can view that other crash in the link below, in which a 737 (Tatarstan Airlines 363 Nov. 17, 2013) crashed. The video made available today is definitely not of the 2013 crash based on the location of the 2013 crash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpzv9KVsdMU (video)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan_Airlines_Flight_363 (the "other" crash)
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:35 am

The video has been posted by multiple credible news sites. It appears to be authentic and consistent with FR24 data.

Have I understood correctly that the plane made go-around at around 1,500 ft and was in a climb when it suddenly started to descent very rapidly?
 
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:40 am

Quoting barney captain (Reply 53):

I just can't imagine any crew holding to the point of fuel starvation (Avianca in JFK notwithstanding).

And don't forget UA173 at PDX.
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:43 am

Such a sad day in aviation - again..

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:45 am

I get up and go to a.net this morning, for some impulse it was the first thing I did, and lo and behold I see more bad news, another crash. May the victims RIP and may their families have some comfort.

Quoting Hywel (Reply 79):
Does flydubai have many expat pilots like Emirates? It will be interesting to find out their nationalities.

Another factor is that in the Gulf countries companies are required to also hire local people. It is mandated, it's called Saudization, Emiratization, etc. (sorry for the improvised spelling, not "real words" per say, but words used nonetheless). I am sure this airline also has to do it.

The nationality of the pilots is mostly a curiosity. The pilot flying the Dallo Airlines plane that had the bomb go off from Mogadishu to Djibouti was a Serbian. This kind of thing is interesting, but not necessarily a relevant factor. Yes, there could be a problem with cockpit communication with language or cultural differences, but we don't know yet. It's early still. I also recall in the Air Asia crash from Surabaya to SIN, one of the pilots was French and started speaking French, there are so many factors. I agree that something about this accident has the stench of human error as another said before me.

Fly Dubai uses narrow bodies to markets that are too small for big EK. Not all flights are full all the time, even in the domestic US market. EK codes with Fly Dubai on many flights.

The ATC recordings of these events are always creepy.

Of course pilot fatigue could be a factor. It was when Ethiopian crashed off the coast of Beirut.

There is a factor that my family members have called "get-home-itis." A phenomena where pilots continue with a flight in a perilous situation and compromise safety in an effort to reach their destination without further delay and inconvenience. I am wondering about the guidelines here, regarding diverting and a prolonged hold. 2 hours circling seems excessive, as a pax on the plane that would be awful right there. But it's still early.

Although not the ME3 per say, this is the first Gulf Airline to have a crash I do believe.

I am wondering who will analyze the recorders. The UAE is very, very image conscious, they will do a full and proper investigation.

I am watching France international news in English and they are saying either technical failure or pilot error are suspected, as if that really narrows it. But I suppose they have to say something.

[Edited 2016-03-19 01:52:42]
 
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:48 am

Unfortunately I know one of the crew onboard and had the pleasure of flying with him as crew at another airline a few years ago. Can't believe it absolutely she'll-shocked. He was the life and soul.

Rip my friend and to all onboard.
 
nitepilot79
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:52 am

Quoting F-WWKH (Reply 139):
Such a sad day in aviation - again..

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cruise727/8672762110/

Please delete the "s" at the end of "http" for a clickable link. This is getting old...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cruise727/8672762110/
 
Mir
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:54 am

Quoting RRTrent (Reply 130):
Given the choice, I'll trust AVH over anyone else 100% of the time all the time.

AvHerald makes mistakes all the time. They do correct them reasonably quickly if they're in error, but I wouldn't trust any specifics reported so soon after the accident.

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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:58 am

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 140):
Although not the ME3 per say, this is the first Gulf Airline to have a crash I do believe.

Apart from Gulf Air, of course.
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wjcandee
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:09 am

The original Daily Mail link to the video said that it came from Tass, and RTis still playing it, which I think are two important data points, regardless of what AvHerald is saying. At the end of the day, it's of no real importance than to those of us who are just trying to put together a quick-and-dirty educated wild-ass guess as to what happened. They will have the boxes decoded very quickly, and the Russians seem to be very quick to release information, so hopefully will know something relatively soon. How long it takes is really only important to the morbidly curious. It is unlikely to reveal some systemic problem with the airplane that merits immediate worldwide attention.
 
LandSweetLand
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:15 am

Daytime images starting to come in

More images at http://vk.com/rostovnadonu

[Edited 2016-03-19 02:16:13]
 
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RRTrent
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:16 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 143):
but I wouldn't trust any specifics reported so soon after the accident.

Agreed, that's was kind of my point, and that goes for all news sources. i was just trying to say that when in doubt, I go with what AVH are saying, who can be wrong like anyone else.

Although, I'm starting to think the video is this actually this crash and in this case AVH are less accurate that other sources
 
DALCE
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:20 am

Tragic event! RIP to all that perished.
It was a shock this morning when I read the news, as one of my best friends since Childhood is Captain at FZ. Fortunately he's ok and back home with his family.

Hopefully experts will find the cause of this sad crash.
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RE: FlyDubai 738 Crashes On Approach In Russia

Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:20 am

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 141):
Rip my friend and to all onboard.

My sorrow for your sorrow. As a dispatcher I hope I never see the day where I lose friends or one of my crews in an accident. I can't imagine what you and all of the other friends, family and colleagues are going through.
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