Iran - Boeing Deal "very Likely"

rotating14 · Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:32 pm

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/03...n-says-positive-Boeing-deal-coming

I know that this topic has been discussed before but not at this stage. According to the president of Iran Civil Aviation Organization, Boeing is in discussion with Iran Air over approximately 100 aircraft, those being the 737 and the 77W.

What was amusing was the photo that one of the commenters posted in the link.

UA444 · Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:50 pm

Hopefully they can sell some 747s too.

Freshside3 · Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:00 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 1):
Hopefully they can sell some 747s too.

That would be "epic" for Boeing, since nobody in the USA is buying them, nowadays!

ThReaTeN · Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:40 pm

The 77W would look amazing in IR livery. Hope a deal like this goes through.

axelesgg · Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:25 am

Quoting ThReaTeN (Reply 3):
The 77W would look amazing in IR livery.

Really? It will just be all white with some text?

LAX772LR · Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:49 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 1):
Hopefully they can sell some 747s too.

Or, more realistically (not to mention "hopefully" for shareholders) they can realize that this was likely their last chance to get significant orders for 748i, and thus bring them one stop closer to closing the line and using the property/resources for something more lucrative.

b727fan · Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:34 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 5):
Really? It will just be all white with some text?

Exactly! But hopefully with the orders, also comes an improved livery (IR was sure a classic back in the days!)

I am surprised there is no mention of 787s! Seems like they prefer 350s instead! Would be nice to see some 787s as well.

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 2):
Hopefully they can sell some 747s too.

AMEN! Would love to see the longevity of the Jumbo-Jet! If I recall correctly, IR was one the first to fly the 747SP. Would it be awesome to see some 747-8i in an improved IR livery

- Speaking of the liveries, QR has one in their fleet and it looks great!

[Edited 2016-03-26 02:36:14]

Rara · Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:49 pm

Good! That will put to rest all the doubts expressed in this forum whether Iran really needs this many modern aircraft, whether they can afford to pay for them, and so on.

kc135topboom · Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:09 pm

Iran will need some new freighters, too. There Boeing has the edge with new builds in the B-767-300ERF, B-777-200LRF, and B-747-8F. But Airbus still offers the A-330-200F. Boeing also has BCF programs, the B-767, B-777, B-747-400, and now the B-737-800.

Iran could use about 20-40 new freighters to replace their B-747-100SF/-200Fs and the few B-707-320Cs they still fly. With their renewed oil drilling needs they will need large freighters.

Revelation · Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:25 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 7):
That will put to rest all the doubts expressed in this forum whether Iran really needs this many modern aircraft, whether they can afford to pay for them, and so on.

Yet will raise doubts about how anyone would buy an a/c designed in the 1960s that falls out of the sky with the least provocation so there must be payoffs going on under the table or political blackmail going on, and so on.

s.p.a.s. · Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:26 pm

How many planes is IR going to have (or better saying, need?) if this goes ahead? Didn't they just make a mega order from Airbus?

Looks like an overkill to me...

jetjack74 · Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:29 pm

Quoting s.p.a.s. (Reply 10):
Looks like an overkill to me...

No such thing as overkill for state-run carriers.

bmacleod · Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:31 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 1):
Hopefully they can sell some 747s too.

With IR big A380 order I don't see room for a big 747-8i order, cargo version more likely. Expect 787s 737s and 77W or 77X.

In the near future, however; used 767s would appear more likely until Congress officially unlocks the the doors. talktothehand

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Pellegrine · Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:40 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if it were negotiated already in Obama's deal. Boeings are one of America's #1 exports after all.

thekorean · Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:43 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):

Uh, Ford? Chrysler?

Pellegrine · Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:55 pm

Quoting thekorean (Reply 14):

One of, one of. And very high profile. A Ford F150 isn't high profile.

SQ22 · Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:28 pm

Quoting b727fan (Reply 6):
AMEN! Would love to see the longevity of the Jumbo-Jet! If I recall correctly, IR was one the first to fly the 747SP. Would it be awesome to see some 747-8i in an improved IR livery - Speaking of the liveries, QR has one in their fleet and it looks great!

The aircraft (A7-HHE) wears QR livery but actually it does belong to Qatar Amiri Flight.

Beatyair · Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:07 pm

Why? Airbus could not provide them enough or is it due to delivery slots available?

enzo011 · Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:31 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
Quoting Rara (Reply 7):
That will put to rest all the doubts expressed in this forum whether Iran really needs this many modern aircraft, whether they can afford to pay for them, and so on.

Yet will raise doubts about how anyone would buy an a/c designed in the 1960s that falls out of the sky with the least provocation so there must be payoffs going on under the table or political blackmail going on, and so on.

Nope, I doubt anyone will bat an eyelid if they do order the 1960s design. More to do with the fact that there was a lot of posts amazed that they needed as many Airbus aircraft as they have signed the MOU for. Funny that...

Thunderboltdrgn · Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:57 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 17):
Why? Airbus could not provide them enough or is it due to delivery slots available?

I'd say more of a way to "please" both Europe and USA as a thank you for the dropped sanctions.

persiangulf93 · Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:14 pm

Quoting ThReaTeN (Reply 3):
The 77W would look amazing in IR livery. Hope a deal like this goes through.

Quoting axelesgg (Reply 4):
Really? It will just be all white with some text?

Quoting b727fan (Reply 6):
Exactly! But hopefully with the orders, also comes an improved livery (IR was sure a classic back in the days!)

Made by my nephew!

IranAir Boeing 777-200ER, click on it for a larger version!

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persiangulf93 · Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:34 pm

IranAir Boeing 787-8, click on it for larger image.

VC10er · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:01 am

I have always loved the symbol, it's not far to a wonderful livery.

rj777 · Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:02 am

Wonder if Iran will use this opportunity to introduce a new livery?

Spiderguy252 · Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:34 am

Is the Airbus order even confirmed?

When will IR get the first plane off of it if it is?

JoeCanuck · Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:49 am

Quoting s.p.a.s. (Reply 10):
How many planes is IR going to have (or better saying, need?) if this goes ahead? Didn't they just make a mega order from Airbus?

If the US finally quits playing keep away with Iran on Boeing products, then the order would probably go to Mahan, and/or other airlines, not Iran Air.

bunumuring · Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:19 am

Hey all,
I suspect that the bulk of a possible Boeing 100-jet order would be for 737NGs and MAXs. Most of these would be presumably -800s/-MAX8s but would they need the shorter field/hot and high performance of the -700/-MAX7 for domestic flights? Boeing would I am sure do a killer deal for NGs to help soak up the gap between current orders and the MAX.
Likewise, I think the bulk of a 777 order would be for -300ERs with Boeing happy to soak up the gap between the current series and X-series 777s. I can see an order possibly for a few -200LRs and freighters in the mix, with some specific rumoured routes (such as Sydney) requiring either the reduced capacity, longer range or hot and high performance of the -200LR compared to the -300ER. I can't really see the -8/-9 getting much love yet from Iran, being so far away from EIS.
I find it hard to believe that the Dreamliner would not get any orders. I suppose the Airbus orders covering A330ceos and neos plus the A350 would cover those segments of the market.
What intrigues me is the situation regarding freighters. With the lifting of sanctions, is there a large pent-up demand for imported 'Western' goods that can now be satiated? If so, does Iran need new large freighters? The lack of any A330F orders suggest that either (a) Iran doesn't need new freighters in the short term or (b) that Boeing will get orders for 747-8Fs and/or 777Fs. I would think that an order for 4 of either might be the way to go for Iran, with another couple on option. As much as I would love to see it, I think Airbus killed off any possibility of a 747-8 Intercontinental order with the arguably bigger than expected order awarded to it for the A380 to absorb any VLA demand in Iran.
Maybe, just maybe, an Iranian AF1 order may be tagged on to the commercial Boeing order ...
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Bunumuring.

JoeCanuck · Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:05 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 26):
I suppose the Airbus orders covering A330ceos and neos plus the A350 would cover those segments of the market.

You have to remember that the Airbus order was only for Iran Air. There are lots of other airlines in Iran, all of which need new aircraft for long and short haul.

persiangulf93 · Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:12 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 27):
There are lots of other airlines in Iran, all of which need new aircraft for long and short haul.

Meraj Air, Mahan Air and Caspian Airlines are still under sanctions, the others are more regional and therefore an order for long-haul planes is very unlikely!

Except for Qeshm Air and Taban Airlines, we won't see other carriers buy anything bigger than A321s for now.

rotating14 · Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:15 pm

Quoting Spiderguy252 (Reply 24):
Is the Airbus order even confirmed?

When will IR get the first plane off of it if it is?

No.

Airbus metal should be on property in July of this year.

JoeCanuck · Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:21 am

Quoting PersianGulf93 (Reply 28):
Meraj Air, Mahan Air and Caspian Airlines are still under sanctions, the others are more regional and therefore an order for long-haul planes is very unlikely!

You're right but right now, Boeing is reluctant to sell to any Iranian airline because the government keeps threatening new sanctions, as well as forcing companies to jump through hoops on old ones. Boeing may have been cleared to sell aircraft to Iran but the process is far from friendly or easy.

I have my doubts that Iran Air will bother buying new Boeings. I don't think Iran wants its flag carrier at the mercy of the whims of US politicians. As long as the EU countries are falling over themselves to do business in Iran, IR will keep buying Airbus.

I'm sure Mahan and others would love to buy some Boeing products but it's not that big of a deal since there are lots of good used aircraft on the market...and for cheap. Wasn't it Richard Anderson who said he could get good, used 772's for about 10 million bucks each?

Boeing really has to make it clear to the politicians how many billions are potentially at stake. Money seems to be the only language that lawmakers understand.

ThReaTeN · Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:12 am

Quoting axelesgg (Reply 4):
Really? It will just be all white with some text?

You should have a look at the new LX 77W to get an idea of just how incredible a Eurowhite 77W can be.

DocLightning · Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:22 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 23):

Wonder if Iran will use this opportunity to introduce a new livery?

The ability to coordinate with international branding firms might help them. I wonder how IR would brand themselves.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 30):

You're right but right now, Boeing is reluctant to sell to any Iranian airline because the government keeps threatening new sanctions, as well as forcing companies to jump through hoops on old ones. Boeing may have been cleared to sell aircraft to Iran but the process is far from friendly or easy.

The government isn't threatening anything. Some political candidates are.

JoeCanuck · Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:12 pm

Senators and Congressmen are doing lots of threatening...and I believe Congress is part of the government.

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