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B6 E190 Nose gear up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:03 pm

A jetblue E190 has crash landed in Nassau, Bahamas (NAS).

It appears the nose gear failed to retract, forcing the emergency landing.

Also visible is foam on the runway, meaning the fire department was prepared for the situation.

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Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:17 pm

Do you mean nose gear failed to extend after takeoff? Did they do an air turn back? Do we know when this happened?

[Edited 2016-03-25 14:19:58]
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:25 pm

It sounds as though the nose gear may have failed to extend prior to landing, causing the incident. I'm sure we'll hear more on this soon.
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:45 pm

Just saw video of incident. Trucks were waiting for plane prior to landing. Gear failed after rolling down the runway.
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:50 pm

"Crash landing" seems extreme for an incident like this. How about "nose gear fails on landing?"
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:55 pm

I concur with seabosdca; compared to recent events abroad, this was a relatively minor incident. The title seems a bit more dramatic than necessary (not that it wasn't an ordeal for those onboard). I'm glad crew and customers are unhurt!
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:57 pm

Looks like it was N273JB operating flight 29 from DCA. The 1619 departure back to DCA is now estimated for 2230 lcl.
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:00 pm

The aircraft is 9 year old N273JB according to Planespotters.net

Quoting bravoechonov (Reply 3):
Just saw video of incident. Trucks were waiting for plane prior to landing. Gear failed after rolling down the runway.

Did you have a link?

[Edited 2016-03-25 15:01:50]
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:16 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 4):
"Crash landing" seems extreme for an incident like this. How about "nose gear fails on landing?"

I think this absolutely qualifies as a crash landing. If the nose gear collapses, the rescue vehicles are spraying foam and they do an emergency evacuation on the runway that seems like a crash landing to me!
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:20 pm

I'm sure the Daily Mail will be reporting it as a crash...!!!
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:22 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 7):

Google "JetBlue Nassau". The pilot did a great job keeping he nose off the runway.
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:23 pm

More detailed information on the incident here:

http://avherald.com/h?article=495f0c2b
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:27 pm

Video here (although this news source calls it a "hard landing"   )

http://www.local10.com/news/jetblue-plane-makes-hard-landing-in-nassau
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:37 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 12):

"Good news, nobody was onboard"
"Again that was Jet flight 29"

Bravo news reporter whose name I missed.
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:19 pm

I love how this is a crash landing but when Air Canada detroys an airplane leaving the runway in a snowstorm it is titled "runway excursion."

Only on a.net can you make this stuff up
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:39 pm

Supposed to be flying back to LHR tonight on BA. The shuttle to GCM managed to depart from the smaller runway but apparently it's not enough for the full flight back to LHR so just wondering if anyone is in the know as to if the runway will be cleared in time for the departure tonight?

Flight currently showing an hour delayed ex NAS.

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Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:46 pm

Crash? Hard Landing? No. How about...the pilots made a skilled landing while dealing with an emergency. They were in control the entire time.
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:48 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 4):
"Crash landing" seems extreme for an incident like this. How about "nose gear fails on landing?"
Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 8):
I think this absolutely qualifies as a crash landing.

I guess you've never seen a real crash. (Yes, I have) This was not even a crash landing. The title of the thread is inaccurate, exaggerated clickbait.
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Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:53 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 12):

That short clip tells you in a nutshell what's wrong with the news and reporters this day and age.
Awful. Just awful. My heart starts racing just listening to it and trying to make sense of the hype.
 
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Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:18 am

Crash landing is a little extreme, but at least it says "landing" which usually indicates it's not that bad of an outcome.
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Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:29 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 17):
The title of the thread is inaccurate, exaggerated clickbait.

It crashed. No other way around it. Was it controlled, safe, and limited damage? Yes. But it landed without landing gear, was damaged, caused airport delays while the runway was cleaned up and plane towed.
 
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Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:35 am

Quoting smokeybandit (Reply 20):
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 17):
The title of the thread is inaccurate, exaggerated clickbait.

It crashed. No other way around it.

Disagree. It was a controlled gear-up landing. "Crash" to me implies something the crew wasn't planning for.
 
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Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:40 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 17):
I guess you've never seen a real crash. (Yes, I have) This was not even a crash landing. The title of the thread is inaccurate, exaggerated clickbait.

Of course I've seen a "real crash." Every aviation enthusiast has. What would you define as a "real crash then?" What is a crash landing? What's the difference between an accident and a crash? Because I guarantee you if you ask general people they will say this was most definitely a crash landing.

Quoting peanuts (Reply 18):
My heart starts racing just listening to it and trying to make sense of the hype.

You've got to be kidding me. I think I just pulled a muscle in my eyeball rolling them so hard.
 
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B6 E190 Nose gear up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:40 am

What is it with JetBlue and nose gear?
 
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B6 E190 Nose gear up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:41 am

Not quite the same situation, but all this complaining above reminds me of this:

George Carlin: Well, what exactly is... "a water landing"? Am I mistaken, or does this sound somewhat similar to crashing into the ocean?
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B6 E190 Nose gear up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:42 am

A crash indicates a catastrophic situation where everyone is dead or will probably soon be that way. In this case, there's a really good chance it will be called an "incident," unless there was substantial damage to the nose. So no, not a crash.
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B6 E190 Nose gear up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:47 am

Quoting freakydeaky (Reply 25):
A crash indicates a catastrophic situation where everyone is dead or will probably soon be that way.

So United 232 wasn't a crash? And Asiana 214? Ridiculous.

[Edited 2016-03-25 17:48:31]
 
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Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:18 am

Crashes or not?

United 811
Several people died, but plane was repaired and put back in service






TWA 843
All 292 got out alive, but aircraft was a casualty

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Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:18 am

Does it not look like there should be a slide on the rear exits? That's quite a jump
 
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Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:50 am

Crazy Photo!

http://i.imgur.com/edAiP22.jpg
 
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B6 E190 Nose gear up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:29 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
"Crash" to me implies something the crew wasn't planning for.

The dictionary gives us:

Quote:

1. to make a loud, clattering noise, as of something dashed to pieces.
2. to break or fall to pieces with noise.
3. (of moving vehicles, objects, etc.) to collide, especially violently and noisily.
4. to move or go with a crash; strike with a crash.
5. Aeronautics. to land in an abnormal manner, usually causing severe damage: The airliner crashed.

If we go with (5) it says "abnormal" rather than "unplanned" and then we get to discuss if the damage is severe or not and how important the word "usually" is.

In any case, I can imagine there was a loud and clattering noise, so (1) fits pretty well.

In my opinion, there was a crash.

Ref: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/crash
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:04 am

Just waiting for the media to eat this one up-then comment how B6 wants to start a pilot program. ..
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:24 am

I have seen the video. The NLG failed to extend prior to landing. It was B6 in LAX all over again.

Crew did an excellent, textbook job of landing without a NLG.
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:30 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 32):
The NLG failed to extend prior to landing.

Yes thank you Captain Obvious
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:41 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 30):
If we go with (5) it says "abnormal" rather than "unplanned" and then we get to discuss if the damage is severe or not and how important the word "usually" is.

We can't call any abnormal landing a crash, I refuse to reduce myself to the likes of CNN. If a plane gets its nose gear stuck in the mud after landing, you're going to tell me the plane crashed? Since it fits your "abnormal" definition? It's equatable to backing your car into a garbage can and telling your friends you were in a car crash. Everyone will tell you that's a little overdramatic. You can't seriously say this is comparable to United 232, Asiana 214, US Airways 1549, etc.
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:43 am

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 33):
Yes thank you Captain Obvious

Please, that's Doctor Obvious...  
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:45 am

Quoting peanuts (Reply 18):

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 12):

That short clip tells you in a nutshell what's wrong with the news and reporters this day and age.
Awful. Just awful. My heart starts racing just listening to it and trying to make sense of the hype.

You can clearly tell she is making it all up as she goes.
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:37 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 17):
This was not even a crash landing. The title of the thread is inaccurate, exaggerated clickbait.

No matter how it's phrased, anything other than a normal landing is clickbait.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 13):
"Good news, nobody was onboard"

Absolutely true. After the evacuation, nobody was on board.  
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:40 am

Sorry for the confusion regarding the term "crash landing", maybe it was also a language barrier, I did not mean any harm. The moderators have thus accordingly changed the thread title.
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:50 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 17):
I guess you've never seen a real crash. (Yes, I have) This was not even a crash landing. The title of the thread is inaccurate, exaggerated clickbait.

Give the OP a rest, - note his/her flag - not everyone is a native english speaker, and that doesn´t automatically mean it´s clickbait! I don´t even want to mention the poor spelling & gramar of some of our US friends on this site......
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:39 am

This would have been declared as a "Full Emergency" and then upgraded to "Aircraft Accident" after it landed.

I guess it depends on if the flight crew called in as a Mayday or PAN.
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:56 am

Quoting Lofty (Reply 40):

An accident normally means a passenger died and/or the aircraft received serious damage.

"serious" damage maybe what is up for debate as in what is determined serious damage.

The BA 777 in LAS received serious damage but obviously did not crash but I believe it was determined to be an accident.

The AA 737 in Jamaica that broke up into several pieces was a crash and an accident. I would almost consider the B6 fiasco an incident.


*****EDIT****

Substantial damage: Damage or failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component


After reading the last part on substantial damage, the aircraft in fact has received substantial damage.

[Edited 2016-03-26 05:10:13]
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:11 pm

I guess we could be looking at cultural differences.

If this happened at LHR it would have been declared as a "Full Emergency" meaning it could develop into an accident, you would see emergency vehicles etc on blues.

It would have been upgraded to "Accident" due to the immediate threat to life, normally obvious due to the Fire Service using foam and the flight crew ordering an evacuation onto the runway. Also I can guess the local equivalent of the AAIB will be on route.

Also I think would could safely say that B6 would have activated their Emergency response procedures.

[Edited 2016-03-26 05:13:26]
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:03 pm

JetBlue gets all the dramatics on nose gear issues . Remember the Airbus landing at LAX back in 2005 or 2006?
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:08 pm

HD Video by a local spotter on the island

http://youtu.be/5O8ItM_C_NY



[Edited 2016-03-26 07:09:19]
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:16 pm

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 34):
We can't call any abnormal landing a crash, I refuse to reduce myself to the likes of CNN.

Well, there is this other big world out there outside of a.net, and most of them would refer to this as a crash, especially the pax on this a/c who thought they'd be having a normal landing but instead got to hear the nose of the a/c scrape along the runway and watch it create a shower of sparks and got to watch the fireman foam down the a/c and got to do an emergency evac. From their perspective it seems pretty 'crashy' to me, as opposed to bumping into a garbage can.
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:25 pm

Good Morning gents and ladies,

Now I'm not sure but doesn't the EMB 190/195 have a manual gear extension? and if so why would it not be used in such a situation, or is that just something for the MLG and not the NLG? I'm sorry if this has been discussed in another thread but I couldn't find anything. Thank you for the answers.
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:36 pm

Quoting smokeybandit (Reply 20):

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 17):
The title of the thread is inaccurate, exaggerated clickbait.

It crashed. No other way around it.

For those not yet familiar with the aviation industry, the UN body for civil aviation - ICAO - sets all global aviation standards, including terms and definitions.

INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS AND RECOMMENDED PRACTICES

AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT AND INCIDENT INVESTIGATION

ANNEX 13

TO THE CONVENTION ON INTERNATIONAL CIVIL AVIATION

CHAPTER 1. DEFINITIONS

When the following terms are used in the Standards and Recommended practices for Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation they have the following meaning:

1. Accident. ..........
An occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, in which:

a) a person is fatally or seriously injured as a result of

- being in the aircraft, or

- direct contact with any part of the aircraft, including parts which have become detached from the aircraft, or

- direct exposure to jet blast,

except when the injuries are from natural causes, self inflicted or inflicted by other persons, or when the injuries are to stowaways hiding outside the areas normally available to the passengers and crew: or

b) the aircraft sustains damage or structural failure which:

- adversely affects the structural strength, performance or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and

- would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component,

except for engine failure or damage. when the damage is limited to the engine, its cowlings or accessories: or for damage limited to propellers, wing tips, antennas, tires, brakes, fairings, small dents or puncture holes in the aircraft skin: or

c) the aircraft is missing or is completely inaccessible.

Note I.-- For statistical uniformity only, an injury resulting in death within thirty days of the date of the accident is classified as a fatal injury by ICAO.

Note 2.-- An aircraft is considered to be missing when the official search has been terminated and the wreckage has not been located.

2. Incident..........
An occurrence, other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft which affects or could affect the safety of operation.

http://www.iprr.org/manuals/Annex13.html


So according to ICAO Terms and Definitions in ANNEX 13 this mishap is an INCIDENT !!

Discussion closed ?

  
 
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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:50 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 47):
For those not yet familiar with the aviation industry, the UN body for civil aviation - ICAO - sets all global aviation standards, including terms and definitions.

No they don't, they set recommendations, which individual countries are free to use or they are also able to make their own definitions of things.

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RE: B6 E190 Nose Gear Up Landing In Nassau, Bahamas

Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:42 pm

Wasn't there a similar incident with Southwest in LGA about three years ago?
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