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Quoting flyingcat (Reply 8): The UAE is similar to Saudi Arabia in that there biggest concern could be domestic terrorism. |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): We have seen airlines like Pan Am have their glory days end, along with airlines like Virgin Atlantic see its growth stagnate due to restrictions at LHR and seen their product innovation also fall behind. Singapore Airlines went from being an airline that seemed to have good growth and a strong product to an airline that has had little growth in many years and has turned much of its focus to its low-cost subsidiary. It made me start to think while Emirates is leading now with onboard innovations such as its showers, and bars on the A380 along with impressive growth, what will be the donwfall of EK? It would seem judging by history nothing lasts forever and while EK is leading in many respects today someone else will leapfrog them in the future. Will competition from an airline like TK or QR be what hurts them, capacity constraints in Dubai, employee relations, a major accident or a pivot away from aviation by the UAE government or something else? Further, who might we see take their place? |
Quoting jetfuel (Reply 14): One accident that downs an A380 would end EK. They need to ensure safety is #1. Complacency grows with success |
Quoting Spiderguy252 (Reply 16): I can foresee a point in future when Europe/India/USA might go the Canada way and restrict bilaterals with the UAE and this chokes EK to a point where they can't justify flying A380s and 779s everyplace. |
Quoting scotron11 (Reply 20): Not their downfall, but I would imagine there will be a big difference when Tim Clark retires. The job he has done with EK is simply amazing....even if you don't like EK......the job he has done is outstanding. |
Quoting Spiderguy252 (Reply 16): Emirates' biggest bottleneck is the fact that very few native Emiratis actually use it - due to their low population. |
Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 17): Many airlines have withstood losing a 747 and are still flying today. What makes you think a major incident with a 380 would cause so much more reputational as damage? |
Quoting zkncj (Reply 24): A ground of the A380 fleet that takes more than an couple of days to resolve would have an major impact on the EK 'brand'. EK have put a large amount of there network into the hands of an single aircarft type. |
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Quoting jetfuel (Reply 14): One accident that downs an A380 would end EK. They need to ensure safety is #1. Complacency grows with success |
Quoting flyingcat (Reply 8): The UAE is similar to Saudi Arabia in that there biggest concern could be domestic terrorism. |
Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 17): When has one accident ever taken down an airline |
Quoting migair54 (Reply 21): He has done an amazing job and I am sure EK has few guys learning from him and preparing for the future, so I think the change will not be that big. |
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Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 27): All attributed to some element of complacency, but all going strong still. |
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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6): I think we'll know when they have flat growth over a certain period of time and increased competition from the likes of TK and others. |
Quoting nabz82 (Reply 10): Emirates' growth and consistent profitability is due to its very clever and logical management, advertising, and blessed geographical location. |
Quoting jetfuel (Reply 22): I am not talking about an incident but a tragic accident. This has brought down the likes of TWA, PANAM and MH |
Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 31): 1. increased P2P-flying, especially when India gets its act together. |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): what will be the donwfall of EK? |
Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 27): Rubbish.Did KLM fold after Tenerife?Did JAL fold after Mt Osutaka?Did Korean fold after Guam?Did SIA fold after Taipei? |
Quoting shankly (Reply 38): Did Malaysia fold after 370/17? As good as. |
Quoting shankly (Reply 38): So far I think there have only been five airlines who changed the world: |
Quoting shankly (Reply 38): Rubbish.Did KLM fold after Tenerife?Did JAL fold after Mt Osutaka?Did Korean fold after Guam?Did SIA fold after Taipei? |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 28): DXB has been fortunately spared thus far, but it's a sitting duck in the most volatile region on the planet: a few high-profile terrorist attacks in close proximity to each other, and watch travel/spending there plummet. No amount of glitz or "service" could keep an airline (with 100+ A380s to fill) out of the red, if traffic to their primary hub consistently dips for any amount of time. |
Quoting EMAman (Reply 39): Quoting shankly (Reply 38): Did Malaysia fold after 370/17? As good as. They were already in serious trouble, actually. |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 28): DXB has been fortunately spared thus far, but it's a sitting duck in the most volatile region on the planet: a few high-profile terrorist attacks in close proximity to each other, and watch travel/spending there plummet. |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): Will competition from an airline like TK or QR be what hurts them |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): capacity constraints in Dubai |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): employee relations |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): major accident |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): a pivot away from aviation by the UAE government |
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 7): If "the West" ever loses patience with Saudi Arabia and walks away from supporting the royal family, I can imagine the country descending into civil war.... that could cause major disruption to the airspace of the whole peninsula and scare people away from hubs in the immediate vicinity. Most travellers using EK/EY/QR have no real need to travel via Dubai/Abu Dhabi/Doha, they only do it because it's convenient and cheap. If those hubs become unattractive the bulk of the traffic will simply switch to alternative hubs. |
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 7): Inability to sustain their growth - the ME3 may be attractive from the point of view of tax free salaries, but they all have reputations as pretty unpleasant employers ( although I don't think EK's reputation is anywhere as bad as QR). From time to time there seem to be large scale resignations as opportunities arise to work ( and live) in more pleasant environments, and money isn't everything. |
Quoting flyingcat (Reply 8): In essence they are spending more, earning less, and making new enemies all the time. It seems the memory of the fall of the Shah is lost on this latest generation. |
Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 12): Saw the title and instantly knew the authour would be a Canadian, American or German. Should just give it a rest. |
Quoting jetfuel (Reply 14): One accident that downs an A380 would end EK. They need to ensure safety is #1. Complacency grows with success |
Quoting Spiderguy252 (Reply 16): I can foresee a point in future when Europe/India/USA might go the Canada way and restrict bilaterals with the UAE and this chokes EK to a point where they can't justify flying A380s and 779s everyplace. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 35): Quite frankly this thread is nothing more than a wet dream for baked on protectionists. |
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 42): A few accidents like that, especially over just a few years, and EK will have turbulence. |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): We have seen airlines like Pan Am have their glory days end, along with airlines like Virgin Atlantic see its growth stagnate due to restrictions at LHR and seen their product innovation also fall behind. Singapore Airlines went from being an airline that seemed to have good growth and a strong product to an airline that has had little growth in many years and has turned much of its focus to its low-cost subsidiary. |
Quoting Thomaas (Reply 42): TK is already doing extremely well and could conceivably overtake EK as the world's largest international airline |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 44): PanAm failed because it was a p-2-p airline without feed or hubs which made it impossible to compete against the hub and spoke airlines. |