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Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:49 am

Effective 01OCT16, Emirates will add a 4th daily service to LGW.

EK 023 DXB LGW 0950 1430
EK 024 LGW DXB 1650 0240+1

Aircraft: B777-300ER, 3 class

that will be the 10th daily flight to London, and 12 including Qantas

http://www.traveldailymedia.com/2345...tes-adds-10th-daily-london-flight/
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:56 am

Seriously, how many EK crew are in London at any one time? Nuts!
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:57 am

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 1):
Seriously, how many EK crew are in London at any one time? Nuts!

Might as well purchase a franchise of a hotel for Emirates crew and staff on holidays exclusively!
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:59 am

I wonder if they stay at an airport hotel or in Central London? I was at the Renaissance at LHR the other week and saw KAL crew checking in there... I felt kind of sorry for them not staying in the centre. Heathrow is a bit of a non-place unless you are an #AvGeek
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:18 am

Is London the highest O&D market for EK, or is the large Indian diaspora a reason for EK's overwhelming success?
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:24 am

Wow, that is crazy how many flights a day they have to the london area , when does there new 6th daily LHR start ?
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:29 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 4):
Is London the highest O&D market for EK

London-Dubai is a massive O&D market, it's why BA and VS also fly the route. Of course Emirates will also be facilitating a lot of connections as well to the Sub-Continent, Asia and Australia.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:29 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 4):

Dont forget the Aussies and New Zealanders!
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:32 am

I love my Aussies and Kiwis! I'd never ignore them.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:39 am

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Aircraft: B777-300ER, 3 class

Surprised its not an A380. I thought the other 3 LGW flgihts were all A380?

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 3):
I wonder if they stay at an airport hotel or in Central London? I was at the Renaissance at LHR the other week and saw KAL crew checking in there... I felt kind of sorry for them not staying in the centre. Heathrow is a bit of a non-place unless you are an #AvGeek

I know where the EK crew stay in LGW and LHR, and the AM crew in LHR....it's not all 5* luxury! In fact, I don't think many crews stay in central London. I think a lot of 3*/4* hotels around LHR are filled with crew.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:40 am

The LHR flights stay at a hotel right at the Airport with runway 27R views. Don´t know about LGW flights but I guess it´s also near the airport.

However, I don´t think they are too bothered by that, because as far as I know all UK flights are busy flights with more service than other flights in the same range distance. Some crew members actually think that they have to work more on these flights because EK Management is from the UK, personally I think it has more to do with competition. So staying at a hotel near the airport is actually a fast way to rest and get into bed kinda situation for the crew.

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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:45 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 4):

Is London the highest O&D market for EK, or is the large Indian diaspora a reason for EK's overwhelming success?

I'd say a lack of LHR expansion is a big part of their success in London (and the UK).
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:02 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 6):
, when does there new 6th daily LHR start ?

It started earlier this week
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:12 am

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 9):
Surprised its not an A380. I thought the other 3 LGW flgihts were all A380?

Give it a little while. The 6th daily LHR flight is also starting with the 77W before being upgauged to the A380 after a few months.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:58 am

Didn't a certain Manchester 'willy waver' (his words) claim this would never happen ahead of a 4th daily into MAN? I note his absence from this thread.

It's a useful addition, there is a small bank of departures around/after 4am that it connects well with (PEK, MRU, MLE, DEL, CPT, KUL and JNB being the most obvious). All that is missing now is a night stop and a 6-7am departure from Heathrow to meet the mini bank of departures around 1800-1900 in DXB.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:22 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 3):
I wonder if they stay at an airport hotel or in Central London? I was at the Renaissance at LHR the other week and saw KAL crew checking in there... I felt kind of sorry for them not staying in the centre. Heathrow is a bit of a non-place unless you are an #AvGeek

Given the price difference between a hotel in Central London and one out at LHR/LGW it's bound to be out at the airport.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:37 pm

It's not so much Dubai is a huge O/D market, the vast majority of those 12 daily wodebodies EK/QF are connecting. LHR expansion has little to do with EK being by far the easiest way to so many destinations one stop from the UK.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:06 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 15):
Given the price difference between a hotel in Central London and one out at LHR/LGW it's bound to be out at the airport.

It depends... A lot of airlines put their crews in the centre of cities because it gives them more to do. For example Finnair crews stay at the Hilton in central Osaka (I had breakfast with them one morning!) even though KIX is quite far outside the city.

The same goes for BA. I remember having breakfast with the same crew that operated my flight the day before to PHL. They were staying at the Sofitel with us in the centre of the city. There is nothing to do at LHR so if you have more than one night there it must be boring.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:24 pm

Quoting filLPA (Reply 10):
However, I don´t think they are too bothered by that, because as far as I know all UK flights are busy flights with more service than other flights in the same range distance. Some crew members actually think that they have to work more on these flights because EK Management is from the UK, personally I think it has more to do with competition. So staying at a hotel near the airport is actually a fast way to rest and get into bed kinda situation for the crew.

I have a friend who is EK crew. She says a lot of crew avoid the UK flights as the pax are quite demanding (albeit polite). Non-stop requests for extra drinks!

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 17):

It depends... A lot of airlines put their crews in the centre of cities because it gives them more to do.
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 17):
There is nothing to do at LHR so if you have more than one night there it must be boring.

The crew aren't on holiday, they're resting between periods of work. If the airline could get them away earlier, they would. If the crew want to go sightseeing and shopping, that's on their time/dime, and nothing to do with the airline. Anyway, if you have more than 24 hours stopover @ LHR, the 50 mins on the tube into London is hardly a deal breaker.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:43 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 9):
Surprised its not an A380. I thought the other 3 LGW flgihts were all A380?

EK perhaps does not yet have enough A380 yet. They are adding on average 1.75 a month in the moment.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:47 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 17):
It depends... A lot of airlines put their crews in the centre of cities because it gives them more to do. For example Finnair crews stay at the Hilton in central Osaka (I had breakfast with them one morning!) even though KIX is quite far outside the city.

It depends wildly on the destination. When I was at EK some trips (LHR/LGW being one of them, others being SFO, CDG etc) you're right by the airport, others (MNL, SIN, JFK, DAC, CPT amongst others) you are away from the airport area and smack dab in the middle of the city. The London trips were pretty brutal and for most of us after our first couple trips (LHR/LGW is our most connected airport pair with DXB so its inevitable you end up there often, and most us had been beforehand anyway) all we wanted to do was to kick back grab a drink and relax. Couldn't be bothered with getting into central London, especially in the winter.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 18):
I have a friend who is EK crew. She says a lot of crew avoid the UK flights as the pax are quite demanding (albeit polite). Non-stop requests for extra drinks!

Nothing compared to the Moscow and St Petersburg flights though   But yes usually BHX was a winner...we actually nearly had an empty bar cart situation once, crazy considering its a 6ish hour trip!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 18):
The crew aren't on holiday, they're resting between periods of work. If the airline could get them away earlier, they would. If the crew want to go sightseeing and shopping, that's on their time/dime, and nothing to do with the airline. Anyway, if you have more than 24 hours stopover @ LHR, the 50 mins on the tube into London is hardly a deal breaker.

Yup. And as I said above, the newbies do the London tourist thing...wait six months or a year into the gig and trust me all you'll want is a quick pop over for some grocery shopping to bring back to the sandpit and some nice rest before the trip back to base.

The one destination where you were a constant tourist was MRU - its just a beautiful place and our hotel was this beautiful all inclusive resort type deal...it never got old. EBB was similar in that regard too, its an amazing layover and the hotel was always good fun. There was also a period of time when things got a bit too dicey in CMB so we'd tag a MLE on for CMB for crew rest - that was another ridiculous layover    It didn't last too long though, MLE went back to being a turn and the CMB layover was restored. From what I see from friends the BA beach fleet crew are having an absolute BALL on their new MLE rotation  
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:01 pm

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 20):
Nothing compared to the Moscow and St Petersburg flights though But yes usually BHX was a winner...we actually nearly had an empty bar cart situation once, crazy considering its a 6ish hour trip!
Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 20):
From what I see from friends the BA beach fleet crew are having an absolute BALL on their new MLE rotation

Funny you should mention that. I did a 2 day turn in MLE a few weeks ago with the same crew there and back. They had fun, BUT they also stay in a hotel on Male Island, not a fancy resort. They did enjoy their trip out to an island on their middle day off. The daytime return flight was drunk dry, something that's happened to me a few times shorthual too (I think it was OSL-LHR where they ran out of G&Ts before they even got to the A320 exit row!)
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:00 pm

The EK crews stopping at LGW stay in a hotel 10 mins away but thankfully not an airport hotel. Their hotel is well located to shops etc and is4*. As for LHR well the Qatar Royal family own a hotel on the Bath Road and guess what QR. Crews now reside there almost taking the whole hotel I suspect. No doubt EK will follow on that idea. As for going into London posters need to get with the programme. Airlines esp those from the ME consider cost, cost and then cost. They then might consider transfer cost and time then the risk of traffic delays which supports airport hotels.
They then might think about crew's . fact is they want crews resting not walking round London. I've used the LGW hotel and never seen EK cabin crew in the bar area ever. I suspect saving allowances
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:34 pm

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 14):
Didn't a certain Manchester 'willy waver' (his words) claim this would never happen ahead of a 4th daily into MAN? I note his absence from this thread.

Let's look at what's happened this year passenger number wise when borth LGW and MAN had changes made from 1st January:


JAN: LGW 071004 +14.02% MAN 078918 +14.06%
FEB: LGW 075045 +12.24% MAN 080655 +15.35%
TOT: LGW 146049 +13.10% MAN 159573 +14.71%


LGW went to 3 daily A380. Minimum number of seats available 178920. Equates to max 81.63% loads
MAN went to 3 class 77W, 3 class A380 + 2 class A380. Minimum number of seats available: 176640. Equates to max 90.34%

Therefore, was it not unreasonable to assume that MAN having the higher traffic figures would be in greater need of either boosting EK21/22 to an A380 service or the addition of a 4th daily service?
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:06 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 23):

As far as I'm aware....watch this space for a 4th daily to be announced. Rumoured 1600 ish departure
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:56 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 18):
She says a lot of crew avoid the UK flights as the pax are quite demanding

Customers being demanding? What a shock that must be for people supposedly in a customer service role.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:12 pm

There is a rumor floating around that EK will start STN-DXB.
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Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:24 pm

Quoting sk736 (Reply 25):
Customers being demanding? What a shock that must be for people supposedly in a customer service role.

Actually, if you travel around the world, you'll realise that some cultures (hence flights) are more demanding than others. Not a shock, just reality and human nature. And i'm fairly sure that if you had a choice between an "easy" flight or a "hard" flight, you'd pick the easy one, all other things being equal.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:48 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 17):
It depends... A lot of airlines put their crews in the centre of cities because it gives them more to do. For example Finnair crews stay at the Hilton in central Osaka (I had breakfast with them one morning!) even though KIX is quite far outside the city.

usually it's not that the airline wants to, but that it is in the employment agreement negotiated with the union.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:09 am

From a security point of view, especially in this day and age naming specific hotels where airline
crewmembers stay is a very bad idea.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:25 am

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 5):
Wow, that is crazy how many flights a day they have to the london area , when does there new 6th daily LHR start ?

Already started, the 10 a day includes the 6th to heathrow.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:22 am

Given how many seats go from DXB to the UK daily just by EK are they any other country's that's supply's that many seats from one country to one final destination
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:55 am

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 31):
Given how many seats go from DXB to the UK daily just by EK are they any other country's that's supply's that many seats from one country to one final destination

London to New York must come close - lots of 777's, 744's, A346's, A333's, 757's, 767's - plying LGW/LHR to JFK/EWR plus A318's from LCY too

not time to do a seat count... but I would have thought more seats here than DXB?
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:01 am

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 32):
London to New York must come close - lots of 777's, 744's, A346's, A333's, 757's, 767's - plying LGW/LHR to JFK/EWR plus A318's from LCY too

not time to do a seat count... but I would have thought more seats here than DXB?


Do not know about seats, but LON-NYC still has more passengers than LON-DXB. Quickly from Wikipedia:

LHR-JFK 2,972,729
LHR-EWR 1,168,357

LHR-DXB 2,765,889
LGW-DXB 866,101

And there are some additional routes (albeit quite marginal in the total number of PAX) in LON-NYC, like LGW-JFK, LTN-EWR and LCY-JFK.

However with the new flight DXB could become busier than JFK from LHR.

[Edited 2016-04-01 01:02:53]
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:58 am

Quoting anjin (Reply 22):
I've used the LGW hotel and never seen EK cabin crew in the bar area ever. I suspect saving allowances

How would you know if they were or weren't EK cabin crew given that they wouldn't be drinking in uniform? Unless you chat to every single young-ish person at the bar and got their background story...

Quoting sk736 (Reply 25):

Customers being demanding? What a shock that must be for people supposedly in a customer service role.

Um, surely you understand that some routes have passenger profiles that might be more demanding than others for a variety of reasons? Or some routes have service schedules that are more rigorous than others given that they are at the cusp of the service boundaries for flight stage lengths? I mean at most day jobs lets say, surely some clients are more demanding or difficult than others?
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:59 am

i am on about a country to one airport so the traffic from UK to JFK is massive just like UK to DXB
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:30 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 33):
Do not know about seats, but LON-NYC still has more passengers than LON-DXB. Quickly from Wikipedia:

LHR-JFK 2,972,729
LHR-EWR 1,168,357

LHR-DXB 2,765,889
LGW-DXB 866,101

Apples and oranges surely?

How many different airlines combined operate LHR/LGW-JFK/EWR compared with the numbers EK gets just for LHR/LGW-DXB?

Probably what, 30 to 40 flights a day to JFK/EWR, no wonder its busier than 10 a day to DXB.

[Edited 2016-04-01 02:32:00]
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:33 am

Dont forget BA do up to 3 daily and VS daily LHR-DXB
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:52 am

Quoting sk736 (Reply 25):
Customers being demanding? What a shock that must be for people supposedly in a customer service role.

Well, I guess there is a difference between "demanding" and "demanding ever more booze while getting more and more intoxicated and obnoxious" - which appears to be the main issue cabin crews have with flights to the UK and Russia (plus the regular passenger boarding half-drunk at 7 a.m. in the morning after an extended liquid breakfast).
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:50 am

Quoting Lentini2001 (Reply 36):
no wonder its busier than 10 a day to DXB.
Quoting david_itl (Reply 37):
Dont forget BA do up to 3 daily and VS daily LHR-DXB

And 2 per day with Qantas. I would never bother counting Brunei, but QF are in a JBA with EK on LHR-DXB.

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 35):
UK to JFK

This got me thinking. Unless I am missing some, for the rest of the UK to NYC I have:

MAN-NYC 4 x 757 (2 UA, 1 DL, 1 AA)
GLA-NYC 1 x 757 (1 UA)
EDI-NYC 4 x 757 (2 UA, 1 DL, 1 AA)
NCL-NYC 1 x 757 (1 UA)
BHX-NYC 2 x 757 (1 UA, 1 AA)
BFS-NYC 1 x 757 (1 UA)

For DXB:

MAN-DXB 2 x 388, 1 x 77W
NCL-DXB 2 x 77W
GLA-DXB 2 x 77W
BHX-DXB 2 x 77W, 1 x 388


Overall Dubai definitely has more capacity from "non-London" UK than NYC, and it is probably very close on a nationwide basis even with the gazillion flights per day between LHR and JFK.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:10 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 39):

Also if it is still going there is a F class LTN-JFK on a 757
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:36 pm

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 40):
Also if it is still going there is a F class LTN-JFK on a 757

La Companie is J class. They're still operating x5 weekly.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 39):
I would never bother counting Brunei

How come? They've been on that route daily for a lot longer than QF or VS have.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:53 pm

Brunei don't have traffic rights do they? I thought it was just a gas-and-go, with no passenger emplanements.
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Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:29 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 42):
Brunei don't have traffic rights do they? I thought it was just a gas-and-go, with no passenger emplanements.

They have full rights, and are often the cheapest when looking for a direct LHR-DXB flight.
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Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:53 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 39):

NCL-DXB is only 1 x daily 77W, though it is the 2 class 428 seat version
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:41 pm

They'll be doing ltn dxb next!
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:44 pm

Quoting f4f3a (Reply 45):

They will start STN before LTN.

Heck they will start LBA before LTN.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:52 pm

I was thinking SEN-DXB
 
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:03 pm

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 47):
I was thinking SEN-DXB

Doubtful. Beyond STN, I don't really know what other UK airport they could serve. EDI is a possibility but QR and EY made the first move and now there mightn't be demand for EK also. BFS is debatable with DUB so close - The majority of Northern Ireland has the same link (sometimes better) to Dublin as it does to Belfast and for this reason DUB is often the best choice of airport.

Quoting f4f3a (Reply 45):
They'll be doing ltn dxb next!

I really really hope they don't. LTN is already too crowded, I couldn't imagine it when adding an extra 400 passengers on top of additional Wizz, easyJet and Ryanair flights.
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RE: Emirates Announces 4th Daily Flight To LGW

Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:12 pm

Quoting pa747sp (Reply 28):
usually it's not that the airline wants to, but that it is in the employment agreement negotiated with the union.

EK crew are non-union. And outside of Europe, I don't think any airline union has the power to dictate such small aspects of crew assignments.
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