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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:51 am

Jetstar Pacific expansion.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...tstar-pacific-20160427-gofycn.html

Vietnam Airlines and Qantas have agreed to invest a combined $139 million in Vietnamese joint-venture LCC Jetstar Pacific to fund planned fleet growth. Qantas will contribute 30%, in line with its ownership share. Jetstar Pacific to grow to 30 aircraft.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:37 pm

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...start-new-albury-brisbane-service/

BNE-ABX, 4pw E135. CBR-OOL to be announced soon too.

Ive mentioned a few times that I think this sort of flight would be interesting to see (in particular WGA-BNE and MEL-MRZ), from the perspective of testing the market demand for long, thin routes to the capitals.
 
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Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:48 am

^^ Interesting additions. CBR is a risk though, given that it already has competition.

I tend to think though that using a EMB-135 is a disadvantage in terms of its operational costs.

Any idea how their AVV flights are going?
 
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Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:11 am

This mornings QF headlines

So the A380's will stay beyond 2020 mark & possible B77X order...

Sit back & enjoy the show  

Discussion thread also well underway 779 For Qantas? (by rotating14 Apr 28 2016 in Civil Aviation)

Qantas Talking To Boeing On 777X

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Qantas said it will keep its Airbus A380s in service beyond 2020 as it conducts talks with Boeing on its next-generation 777X jets.

"The A380s do a great job on the markets that they operate," said Gareth Evans, head of the company's international business. Qantas currently operates a fleet of 12 A380s.

"They are big units on big thick routes like Los Angeles and London, flying into slot-constrained airports," said Evans. "You want to have a fleet that is simple, but you need to have vehicles that do the right job for you."

With the latest variant of the 777 aircraft not due to enter into service until early next decade, Qantas is in talks with both Boeing and Airbus about their latest aircraft, Evans said.

http://news.airwise.com/story/qantas-talking-to-boeing-on-777x

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:45 am

I know everyone here will be excited about the new Qantas pilot uniforms

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/160426_QANTAS_MartinGrant_12_1210.copy_-1200x857.jpg

Pilots had to walk down the catwalk to show them off.

What you might not know is that Lion Air have also released their new pilot uniforms today:



Unfortunately, several pilots slipped in a dirty puddle before making it to the catwalk.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:47 am

The 779 makes sense for QF, and the 778 may also have a role in some situations.

In saying that though, the 789 will likely be their main growth option in the next decade or so as it is the best fit on most of QF's missions.

The only Asian market that really requires a larger aircraft at this stage is HKG, given that it has significant slot constraints that are occurring. This could be where a 779 would come into its element for QF, but in most other cases the 787 can offer frequency flexibility.

Most Australia-North America/Europe routes that QF operate would suit the 779, with the possibility to operate 787's on some sectors where required.

It will be interesting to see what Airbus put on the table though, as the A350 still offers some value to them also.
 
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Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:58 am

How much gap is there between the 789, 778 and 779 in terms of range and payload?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:05 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 155):
The only Asian market that really requires a larger aircraft at this stage is HKG, given that it has significant slot constraints that are occurring.

By the time the 779 is available HKG will have another runway in place. So long term the 787-9 or 787-10, range permitting, will be more than adequate for QF missions to HKG.
 
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Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:37 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 157):
By the time the 779 is available HKG will have another runway in place. So long term the 787-9 or 787-10, range permitting, will be more than adequate for QF missions to HKG.

Good point about the planned new runway at HKG.

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 156):
How much gap is there between the 789, 778 and 779 in terms of range and payload?

From the numbers I have seen:

789: 7,635 nm (14,100 km)
778: 8,700 nm (16,112 km) - Likely better suited to missions like MEL-DFW than the 789 or 779
779: 7,600 nmi (14,075 km)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:00 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 158):

What about seats?

Could all three of the types be in the fleet?

789 and 779 for the bulk of the routes, with 789 for thinner and 779 for thicker with 778 for long distance?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:55 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 159):
What about seats?

789: 250 (3-class)
778: 350 (3-class)
779: 406 (3-class)

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 159):
Could all three of the types be in the fleet?

789 and 779 for the bulk of the routes, with 789 for thinner and 779 for thicker with 778 for long distance?

I could see that fleet mix working.

789:
All Asia flights
SYD-SFO
SYD-YVR

778:
MEL-DFW (New route)
SYD-DFW

779:
MEL-DXB-LHR
SYD-DXB-LHR
MEL-LAX
SYD-LAX
BNE-LAX
SYD-SCL (ETOPS permitting)
SYD-JNB (ETOPS permitting)

The last 2 could be 789 routes also, depending on levels of capacity that they need.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:06 am

And there would be plenty of new routes that could open with that sort of fleet too.

Though, this fleet config would be available to all other carriers, so the financial benefits of doing it may be diminished by the time this sort of fleet can be in place.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:39 am

China Eastern will commence year round services from Shanghai to Brisbane from December with daily flights. This is a big step up from the previous 2-3x weekly seasonal services that operated over the 2016 Chinese New Year period.

PVG/BNE 2055/0945+1 MU715 332 D
BNE/PVG 1145/1940 MU716 332 D

Source - Airlineroute

I think prior to the seasonal services earlier this year China Eastern last ran seasonal services to Brisbane in 2007?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:51 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 162):
I think prior to the seasonal services earlier this year China Eastern last ran seasonal services to Brisbane in 2007?

That would be right - I distinctly remember seeing their A343 one day when on a break at work at Woolloongabba on a departure from runway 19. Was briefly twice weekly at the time if I recall correctly.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:02 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 160):

789: 250 (3-class)
778: 350 (3-class)
779: 406 (3-class)

It's a nice spread and provides flexibility that the 380 just can't provide. Not that I think they're in any real hurry to get rid of the 380's, they are suited to the routes they operate now, but realistically, there just isn't any other destinations that they could be used profitably on. Even if QF were to order 779's today, they would still be 5 plus years before they would get any and that would fit in well with a replacement for the 380.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 160):
779:
MEL-DXB-LHR
SYD-DXB-LHR
MEL-LAX
SYD-LAX
BNE-LAX
SYD-SCL (ETOPS permitting)
SYD-JNB (ETOPS permitting)

Any destination that the 747/380's fly to now really, so you could add HKG, TYO and maybe SIN and BKK for some seasonal service.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:10 pm

Virgin Australia's freight scramble begins to pay off (AFR)

VA signs a deal with TNT and gets two BAe146 aircraft, because they haven't got enough diversity in the fleet already.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:42 pm

The BAe 146 won't be operated by VA.

It will be a similar arrangement as QF have with express freighters Australia etc
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Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:29 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 162):
China Eastern will commence year round services from Shanghai to Brisbane from December with daily flights. This is a big step up from the previous 2-3x weekly seasonal services that operated over the 2016 Chinese New Year period.

PVG/BNE 2055/0945+1 MU715 332 D
BNE/PVG 1145/1940 MU716 332 D

This is great news, though partly already announced to start in December as 3x weekly, but daily is much better!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:30 am

Quoting Thai77w (Reply 166):
The BAe 146 won't be operated by VA.

However, they actually tried to get this done! They were even advertising for BAe146 pilots, with two aircraft to be operated under VARA. However, they were unable to source the planes and get it up and running quick enough for the TNT contract. Hence, someone else is operating it on their behalf.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Sun May 01, 2016 10:55 am

In another thread regarding Qantas and South America mainly flying to Brazil, I think some one mentioned a quick way was to fly over Antarctica
in the Northern Hemisphere airlines do trans Polar flights over the Artic, what's the difference between the over the Artic and the Antarctic, is it different
whether conditions or flying conditions, it would save a massive amount of flying time. I know QF wont fly to Brazil when they have LAN to code share,
but flying to SCL would be quicker going straight over the Antarctic, so why cant they fly over the South Pole like they do over the North Pole?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Sun May 01, 2016 11:07 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 169):
so why cant they fly over the South Pole like they do over the North Pole?

The Arctic is much less remote. There are alternate airports in Canada, Alaska, Greenland, Scandinavia and Russia when flying over the pole. You can comfortably fly under 180mins EDTO when routing directly over the North Pole. This is not the case in the south where the only alternates are ice runways without the facilities to turn around a large airliner let alone accommodate 300+ ill equipped passengers. For half the year Antarctica is barely suitable for military aircraft let alone civilian airliners.
 
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Sun May 01, 2016 11:36 am

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 170):
The Arctic is much less remote. There are alternate airports in Canada, Alaska, Greenland, Scandinavia and Russia when flying over the pole. You can comfortably fly under 180mins EDTO when routing directly over the North Pole. This is not the case in the south where the only alternates are ice runways without the facilities to turn around a large airliner let alone accommodate 300+ ill equipped passengers. For half the year Antarctica is barely suitable for military aircraft let alone civilian airliners.

        

Since CASA reorganised their web site my bookmarks no longer work but there is a CASA requirement document detailing requirements for operations south of 60 degree South. One of the requirements is an executable plan for the recovery of passengers & crew off the ice in the case of forced landing. AFAIK NOBODY has such a plan and it seem a totally nonviable idea except at ENORMOUS cost. I do not know if this is just a CASA/CAA requirement or ICAO or even possibly a UN requirement under the Antarctic Treaty.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Sun May 01, 2016 2:29 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 171):

FWIW the Antarctic Treaty is not a UN instrument - in fact the territorial claimants, of which Australia and NZ are two (of seven) would not for a moment countenance UN involvement.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Sun May 01, 2016 8:02 pm

Looks like Qantas Freight will be adding an additional B733F from July 2016:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/qanta...reight-planes-20160429-goidax.html
 
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Sun May 01, 2016 9:45 pm

Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 172):
FWIW the Antarctic Treaty is not a UN instrument - in fact the territorial claimants, of which Australia and NZ are two (of seven) would not for a moment countenance UN involvement

My understanding is that the Antarctic Treaty Organisation [which could certainly be incomplete] sits administratively under the UN umbrella, even though it is not a UN treaty/organisation, exactly like ICAO. You have better information?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Sun May 01, 2016 11:02 pm

This is a tech question, so probably belongs in another forum, but given its Australia related, is probably going to be answered here quicker. So here goes.

I flew ABX-SYD last night. We flew with a heading more or less directly at the airport. Somewhere over Liverpool though, we joined the circuit and flew south, probably most of the way to Wollongong, and then looped back for a northerly landing.

From an efficiency perspective, if we were to fly and join the circuit at a more southerly point, that would shorten the flight time by probably 5 or maybe 10 minutes by my estimation based on last night's flight. My question is, why do they not do this? Ie, have a southerly access point on the circuit?
 
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Sun May 01, 2016 11:06 pm

Quoting vhebb (Reply 173):

Which are the 6 dedicated freighters that are going to be allocated to APO? A couple of 733s and some of the 146's?
 
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Mon May 02, 2016 12:01 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 175):

I flew ABX-SYD last night. We flew with a heading more or less directly at the airport. Somewhere over Liverpool though, we joined the circuit and flew south, probably most of the way to Wollongong, and then looped back for a northerly landing.

From an efficiency perspective, if we were to fly and join the circuit at a more southerly point, that would shorten the flight time by probably 5 or maybe 10 minutes by my estimation based on last night's flight. My question is, why do they not do this? Ie, have a southerly access point on the circuit?



Think about the altitude that you would be at on a track like that and think about the altitude of the corresponding departures. What you are describing actually happens early every morning when there are no departures.
Yes the downwind leg does feel like you have gone to Wollongong but it's only about 15nm to join a 10nm final.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 12:59 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 174):

I worked on the politics of Antarctica professionally for many years and can assure you there's absolutely no link to the UN system. Outsiders like Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohammed who suggested there should be a relationship we're regarded as the devil incarnate, especially by the claimant states. As to references proving the "non-link" - they're hard to come by because there is no link!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 1:13 am

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 177):

Departures last night were north bound departures (ie same direction as landings), so im not sure how they would impact the entry point of the approach? Ive absolutely a bare minimum of understanding of how circuits work btw. Hence this question.
 
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Mon May 02, 2016 1:34 am

Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 178):
I worked on the politics of Antarctica professionally for many years and can assure you there's absolutely no link to the UN system.

That's interesting! Good to have the strait scoop from somebody who was there!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 1:36 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 179):

The prop departures going to destinations south will depart off 34L and turn left and head south west, they will probably be about 3000' at 10nm and get in the way of the inbound props and jets, so much so that those aircraft can't turn off their inbound tracks until they are about 12nm from the airport. Believe me this question has been asked many time before, and people have been looking at this problem for 25 years to my knowledge. If you look at traffic patters of other world airports you will see the same problem. Like I said before, when there are no departures, the aircraft do exactly what you suggested.
 
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Mon May 02, 2016 1:43 am

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 181):

Just so im clear, the flights last night were departing from 34L, heading northbound and then doing what they needed to. We were approaching from the south, and landed on 34L as well. So in the case of last night, I don't think there would be a conflict, and by joining the circuit at a more southerly position, would reduce any potential conflict with the traffic you mention further?
 
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Mon May 02, 2016 2:10 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 182):

I don't want to take up more of the forums time. But to do as you suggest, the inbound aircraft would have to get below the outbound prop aircraft, which is way below their profile. The departures are in conflict, bit hard to put it into words. Get something like FR24 and track the various aircraft and you will see the problem.
 
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Mon May 02, 2016 4:04 am

Another half year loss predicted for Virgin Australia:

http://www.theage.com.au/business/av...condhalf-loss-20160501-goj9ar.html

"Virgin Australia to cut capacity amid expected second-half loss"

If Air NZ really is going to sell its total holding, I wish they'd get on with it and get out of this dud of an investment.

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Mon May 02, 2016 4:07 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 154):
I know everyone here will be excited about the new Qantas pilot uniforms.


  

There is now a thread discussion on just this topic. I will have another look see there. New Qantas Pilot Uniform (by smi0006 Apr 28 2016 in Civil Aviation)

New Qantas pilot uniforms takes to the skies, Qantas, 29 April 2016, http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...-pilot-uniforms-take-to-the-skies/

From the article:

Qantas today unveiled the latest pilot uniform for its almost 3,000 domestic, international and regional pilots.

Created by Australian fashion designer Martin Grant, the navy suit is modern and sleek, with nostalgic design features linking back to the first Qantas pilot uniforms from the 1930s.

“The uniform was developed in collaboration with our pilots to make sure that it meets their needs on the job, as well as perfectly capturing the power and history of the Qantas brand.”

Martin Grant said the new design was inspired by the classic military and naval-style pilot uniforms and reflected feedback from pilots who wanted a uniform that was modern, wearable and recognisable.

“The embroidery on the Captain’s hat, commonly referred to in pilot circles as ‘scrambled eggs,’ has become a generic design over the years, so I transformed it into golden wattle, Australia’s national flower, which felt appropriate for the national carrier,” added Mr Grant.

New uniform fittings will begin in July, with all pilots wearing the new design by the end of 2016.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 5:02 am

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 183):

Sorry Airvan00, I'm not trying to be difficult, I just don't understand. Ill take a look at FR24 as you suggest, though im not sure what I should look at. Ill see how I go.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 5:12 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 184):
If Air NZ really is going to sell its total holding, I wish they'd get on with it and get out of this dud of an investment.

It will be interesting to see what the share price does over the following week

The irony is passenger load factors are up just above a percent, so in all reality for Virgin to report a loss greater than last year yields must be down.

I have been saying for more than six months VA needed to reduce capacity. With their average load factors been hovering around the 73% a 5% reduction in seat capacity will bring them back up to a respectable 78-80%.

I know the article has talked but selling three ATR's. Does anyone know if they are going to hand back any 737's at the end of their leases. For an airline with a fleet of more than 100 aircraft, three ATR's doesn't account for 5%, let alone 3%.
 
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Mon May 02, 2016 5:31 am

Quoting travelhound (Reply 187):
It will be interesting to see what the share price does over the following week

It's dropped 5% on the day, effectively since this news came out.

When Qantas was losing big money, I was one of it;s biggest supporters because I understood what AJ waa doing. I don't understand what JB is doing, other than trying to make the best for a bad job, chipping at the edges of he created. Yet the old truth remains - you can't shrink to profitability without doing something radical to the business.

Slightly to my surprise, Ben Sandilands, at Crikey, has come around to a similar way of thinking:

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...mestic-capacity-by-5-this-quarter/

"Virgin Australia to downsize domestic capacity by 5% this quarter

With a profit result similar to a well run small suburban business, is it not time for Virgin Australia to radically change course?"


It's a very good article, Sandilands at his best. He and I had differences when he was posting here, mostly about AJ, but I agree with everything he says in this.

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Mon May 02, 2016 5:45 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 188):

  

Agreed!

QF's share price has also dropped significantly in the past few weeks, post the announcement of softer growth in the Australian domestic market. I think QF will still manage this situation well and enjoy a solid full FY profit result.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 5:52 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 175):

I just wrote a fairly lengthy reply and then went back and re-read your question and realised that I had not fully understood what you are asking. To be clear are you asking why you flew all the way to Liverpool before heading south instead of doing a route more like ABX-CBR-WOL-SYD?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 5:57 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 190):

Yep, that is more or less what im asking.

Hopefully you can see the path that im referring to at this link

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...2/history/20160501/0830Z/YMAY/YSSY

See how it hooks right at the end - why cant that be a smooth line from ABX to the start of final approach or thereabouts?
 
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Mon May 02, 2016 6:03 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 188):
I don't understand what JB is doing

At the start of the transformation VA and JB were eating QANTAS's lunch. I think we sore a major change in sediment some time around the QANTAS grounding, which (and I am not too sure how) resulted in a turn around in the exodus of QANTAS passengers. I think VA lost and QF won that PR battle.

At the end of the day the VA model became unsustainable. Why it became unsustainable will one day become a text book example of failed marketing
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 6:53 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 191):
Yep, that is more or less what im asking.

Hopefully you can see the path that im referring to at this link

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...2/history/20160501/0830Z/YMAY/YSSY

See how it hooks right at the end - why cant that be a smooth line from ABX to the start of final approach or thereabouts?

That's a very common approach pattern for aircraft (I've been on Dash 8s and B717s, and others I think that have flown it) arriving from the southwest. I'm not 100% sure but I imagine the fix at which the 90+ degree right turn is initiated probably coincides with a fix on other approaches from the north and northwest as the common sequencing point for 34L.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 6:54 am

Quoting travelhound (Reply 192):
Why it became unsustainable will one day become a text book example of failed marketing

Being second potato in the market and spending money you don't have to reinvent yourself as the NEW second potato.

Quoting travelhound (Reply 187):
I know the article has talked but selling three ATR's

I think the ATR problem is the destinations where these aircraft are mainly flown have been some of the most affected by the resources market slowdown.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 8:02 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 193):

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 191):
Yep, that is more or less what im asking.

Hopefully you can see the path that im referring to at this link

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...2/history/20160501/0830Z/YMAY/YSSY

See how it hooks right at the end - why cant that be a smooth line from ABX to the start of final approach or thereabouts?

That's a very common approach pattern for aircraft (I've been on Dash 8s and B717s, and others I think that have flown it) arriving from the southwest. I'm not 100% sure but I imagine the fix at which the 90+ degree right turn is initiated probably coincides with a fix on other approaches from the north and northwest as the common sequencing point for 34L.

The thing that I don't understand is why aircraft from any direction need to fly over parts of Sydney if they'll be landing from the South. There is nothing that can be done for Cronulla, Kernel etc but I can't for the life of me understand why we can't rack and stack the approaching aircraft out to sea between Cronulla and Wollongong where their noise wouldn't effect anyone and then bring them straight in for final approach.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 8:18 am

I wonder how different VA's situation would be if they jumped into bed with Emirates before Qantas did...

I hope things turn around at Virgin. I travel with them frequently and really enjoy their product.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 8:30 am

"Ed Force One" graced Australian shores for the first time this afternoon at Brisbane:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/OZJIM/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps787kpaqu.jpeg
Aircraft types I've been on: PA31,Q300,AT75,AT76,717,733,738,739ER,763,772,77E,773,77W,788,789,744,319,320,332,333,346,359,380
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 8:35 am

VA's only chance at making things work is to find the right mix for their VA and TT brands.

At present it is not maximising the value of the TT cost structure and is struggling to maintain VA service in a number of markets.

Quoting ben175 (Reply 196):
I wonder how different VA's situation would be if they jumped into bed with Emirates before Qantas did...

What did VA offer EK though? QF offers far greater value to EK.

Quoting ben175 (Reply 196):
I hope things turn around at Virgin. I travel with them frequently and really enjoy their product.

Their product seems to be part of their issue.

The transition period saw them re-launch from DJ to VA but still had not finalised its product offering on those flights. First it was food only if you paid full fare, then flights over around 2.5 hours got full service and then moved to everything. People walked away not knowing what to expect.

Their service is also inconsistent, with staff seemingly confused whether to be robots otr personable. At least the DJ days the staff seemed to have fun and it seemed more relaxed.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 139

Mon May 02, 2016 8:56 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 196):
I wonder how different VA's situation would be if they jumped into bed with Emirates before Qantas did...

Probably worse since EK would not have left an open line of credit for them to access like EY has.

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