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New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:15 pm

Season 15 episode # 2, Just seen it on discovery channel. Shocking TPF had almost zero hand flying experience. Preview: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x37b8kf
Also found this web article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ne-run-TWICE-15-minutes-later.html
Also shocking why the firefighter did not remove the body before the foaming began.
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:32 pm

 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:41 pm

Has the NTSB Final Report been released yet? Can't seem to find it anywhere...
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:16 pm

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 2):

The report number is AAR-14/01. Search for that report number on Google and you'll find it very quickly.
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:49 pm

I watched the episode on my WS flight from YFI to YLW the other night. Was a good episode.
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:09 am

Am I thinking of another incident? I seem to remember that there were 3, if not 4, pilots on the flight deck . . . ?
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:29 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):

I have seen the show a few times on WS and hoped that a nervous flyer never sat next to me. Looking forward to see the new episode!
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:58 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
I watched the episode on my WS flight from YFI to YLW the other night. Was a good episode.

Only A.netters would watch air crash investigations on a flight...  
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:12 am

Except they screwed up in the CGI renderings by showing that the 777 in question had Rolls Royce engines when it was equipped with PW4000s.....just a little thing but it annoyed the hell out of me.
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:13 am

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 7):
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):I watched the episode on my WS flight from YFI to YLW the other night. Was a good episode.

Only A.netters would watch air crash investigations on a flight...

Nuh-uh!   
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Quoting A320FlyGuy (Reply 8):
Except they screwed up in the CGI renderings by showing that the 777 in question had Rolls Royce engines when it was equipped with PW4000s.....just a little thing but it annoyed the hell out of me.

Come now, they've gotten way better.

There were times (the episodes featuring AA965 [1995 CLO crash] and AA587 [2001 JFK crash] for examples) where they'd sub live shots of a 738 when a 752 and AB6 were the respective aircraft involved.
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:39 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 9):
There were times (the episodes featuring AA965 [1995 CLO crash] and AA587 [2001 JFK crash] for examples) where they'd sub live shots of a 738 when a 752 and AB6 were the respective aircraft involved.

I've seen in some of the more recent episodes where the engine cowlings of 737s were perfectly round instead of the traditional CFM56 shape. But overall the more recent seasons appear more realistic in terms of matching the appropriate cockpit layout.
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:59 am

Quoting Plainplane (Reply 10):
I've seen in some of the more recent episodes where the engine cowlings of 737s were perfectly round instead of the traditional CFM56 shape. But overall the more recent seasons appear more realistic in terms of matching the appropriate cockpit layout.

The background rendering is still an issue for purists, the UA232 issue featured a United 742 sitting on the ramp at Soux City, and a few episodes featuring things like 737-200 incidents in BR had AF A319´s sitting on the ramp in Brasil next to them. but hey, I am not complaining, glad the show exists!!
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:15 am

Quoting A320FlyGuy (Reply 8):
Except they screwed up in the CGI renderings by showing that the 777 in question had Rolls Royce engines when it was equipped with PW4000s.....just a little thing but it annoyed the hell out of me.

I bet the vast majority won't catch that goof-up, those engines look very superficially similar.
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:37 am

The new season also has an episode (link below) on the 2010 UPS 6 crash in Dubai - quite an intense episode. One of the trivial things that stood out was a NWA aircraft parked at (presumably) DXB.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3m...stigation-s15e02-fatal-delivery_tv
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:25 am

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 11):
Quoting Plainplane (Reply 10):
I've seen in some of the more recent episodes where the engine cowlings of 737s were perfectly round instead of the traditional CFM56 shape. But overall the more recent seasons appear more realistic in terms of matching the appropriate cockpit layout.

The background rendering is still an issue for purists, the UA232 issue featured a United 742 sitting on the ramp at Soux City, and a few episodes featuring things like 737-200 incidents in BR had AF A319´s sitting on the ramp in Brasil next to them. but hey, I am not complaining, glad the show exists!!

The flight deck effects are even more inaccurate. In the TACA MSY episode it showed the crew getting "ALTITUDE ALERT" as they approached the ground to represent a GPWS alert (Altitude Alert means you deviated from your selected altitude by 200-300 feet, something totally different). Then there is the Wailer sound for almost everything. In the AeroPeru episode they showed Amber and Red lights alternating blinking back and forth (along with that ubiquitous Wailer sound again) to represent continuous Master Warning and Master Caution lights, which probably didn't even annunciate at that time in flight.

One of the "experts" said you get stick shaker and a voice for stall warning on Boeing airplanes (it's stick shaker only; Douglas airplanes have the voice aural for stall).

Then there is the over dramatization that doesn't reflect how most crews would professionally act on the flight deck.

I too enjoy the show, but the in flight renditions are representative only, and rarely if ever accurate.

[Edited 2016-04-03 23:26:48]
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:12 am

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 12):
I bet the vast majority won't catch that goof-up, those engines look very superficially similar.

Hell I didn't notice
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:49 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 15):
Hell I didn't notice

Neither did I. But in general, these productions are very good I would say.
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:31 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):

I too enjoy the show, but the in flight renditions are representative only, and rarely if ever accurate.

I remember one of these had control wheels in an A32x.
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:36 pm

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 7):
Only A.netters would watch air crash investigations on a flight...

I was thinking the same way...I have no problems with it.
 
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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:24 pm

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 7):
Only A.netters would watch air crash investigations on a flight...
Quoting PATristar (Reply 18):
I was thinking the same way...I have no problems with it.

I always have some unread accident reports on my laptop, be it railway or aviation. There is always something to learn - human factors, training, operations, technical matters. It was on a long train travel when I read the AF447 final report, by the way.

But I have yet to read an aviation accident report on a flight... it's better than "Hijacking for Dummies" anyway. 


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RE: New Mayday: Asiana Airlines Flight 214

Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:36 am

There was indeed a third pilot in the jump seat of the cockpit at the time of the crash which was omitted by the episode. Also, they didn't mention fatigue as a contributing factor (the crash occurred at a time within the window of circadian low in the crew's home time zone).
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