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United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:22 pm
by LAXintl
United Airlines and IAM have reached contract TA covering all workgroups represented by the IAM accounting for 30,000 employees including ramp, customer service, reservations, maintenance Instructor, fleet instructor, security officer and food service workers.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...greements-contracts-211500594.html

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From the TA documents I've reviewed, some big pay raises being thrown out there as the carrot (up to 18% upfront and 30%+ over the life of contract)

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:39 pm
by a380787
Finally some progress. Now they need to integrate the pilots and the FAs. Hopefully Munoz can bring some positive vibe that seriously lacking under previous leadership.

Disclosure : I've never been employed sUA or sCO or their predecessors in any full time, part time, or contractor capacity, so I have zero skin in this.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:45 pm
by United1
Quoting a380787 (Reply 1):
Now they need to integrate the pilots and the FAs. Hopefully Munoz can bring some positive vibe that seriously lacking under previous leadership.

Pilots have been integrated for some time....its the mechanics and F/As that still need joint contacts.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:10 am
by charlienorth
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

From the TA documents I've reviewed, some big pay raises being thrown out there as the carrot (up to 18% upfront and 30%+ over the life of contract)

The devil is in the details I'm sure as the rest of their IAM brethren have discovered.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:19 am
by jetmatt777
Quoting charlienorth (Reply 3):
The devil is in the details I'm sure as the rest of their IAM brethren have discovered.

Haven't read it yet but from the highlighted changes we gain quite a bit of job security out of it. You're right in that there will be some give and take. On first glance it looks pretty good, but need to delve deeper into it before I decide how I will vote.

I was directly affected by the lack of job security in the previous (current) contract as I lost my position Due to my station being outsourced and had to transfer.

Also we will be bringing in house work handled by SkyWest in LAX and SFO.

[Edited 2016-04-04 17:19:42]

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:09 am
by deltal1011man
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

From the TA documents I've reviewed, some big pay raises being thrown out there as the carrot (up to 18% upfront and 30%+ over the life of contract)

curious if it will be another "here is a bunch of money........while we outsource everyone"

But it does seem like Munoz doesn't have the "outsource everybody" mindset the past management teams (yes teams not team) had.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 1):
Finally some progress. Now they need to integrate the pilots and the FAs. Hopefully Munoz can bring some positive vibe that seriously lacking under previous leadership.

FWIW this would be combined contract number two for the IAM.

Its the IBT and AFA that don't have a contract. The last mechanic contract was a complete joke.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 4):
Haven't read it yet but from the highlighted changes we gain quite a bit of job security out of it.

honestly this would be great but I'd look over the details if I were you. UA management and the IAM have done a good job of trying to get ride of as many people as they can.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:13 am
by toltommy
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 5):
curious if it will be another "here is a bunch of money........while we outsource everyone"

But it does seem like Munoz doesn't have the "outsource everybody" mindset the past management teams (yes teams not team) had.

Hard to believe the mindset has changed when they are creating a wholly owned ground handling subsidiary. but as they say, the devil is in the details.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:24 am
by deltal1011man
Quoting toltommy (Reply 6):

Hard to believe the mindset has changed when they are creating a wholly owned ground handling subsidiary. but as they say, the devil is in the details.

Not really. Like i posted in the AS thread about their version of UGS/DGS.

You can put all the lip stick on that pig of an idea as you want, but it doesn't make a damn, its still going to be a pig. 8 bucks an hour is still 8 bucks an hour. UGS is going to have the exact same problems the other vendors do, just with a different name.
Past management was way to stupid to see that. We will see what the new management does.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:39 am
by a380787
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 7):

Didn't Seattle metro just sign in the $15/hr min wage law ? Are these jobs exempt from that ?

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:43 am
by deltal1011man
Quoting a380787 (Reply 8):

Didn't Seattle metro just sign in the $15/hr min wage law ? Are these jobs exempt from that ?

I think they were exempt but aren't going to be anymore?

Either way, 8 bucks or 15 bucks.....still going to be crap work and high turn over.

Not many people are going to work as hard and hang around when they see the mainline employees doing the same work for 20-25 and hour and full benefits. (more importantly why would anyone work that hard when they can flip burgers for the same price?)

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:47 am
by a380787
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
more importantly why would anyone work that hard when they can flip burgers for the same price?)

Well that IS the question. Entry level FAs at regionals are paid barely better than flipping burgers, while a first year FO at a regional is like what, $30-35k ? That's ridiculous for the amount of training and ongoing scrutiny required.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:55 am
by F9Animal
Quoting a380787 (Reply 8):
Didn't Seattle metro just sign in the $15/hr min wage law ? Are these jobs exempt from that ?
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
think they were exempt but aren't going to be anymore?

Either way, 8 bucks or 15 bucks.....still going to be crap work and high turn over.

Not many people are going to work as hard and hang around when they see the mainline employees doing the same work for 20-25 and hour and full benefits. (more importantly why would anyone work that hard when they can flip burgers for the same price?)

The $15 an hour wage is a go, and Alaska is creating a new ground handling company. I suspect Menzies in Seattle is going bye bye, and this new company that's owned by Alaska will come in. Most of the contractors have already gone to $15 an hour.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:00 am
by a380787
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 11):

On a somewhat unrelated note, what about the ones signed by Cuomo for New York State ? Is EWR covered by it, or is it just a LGA+JFK thing ?

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:03 am
by azncsa4qf744er
So far this TA offering doesn't look so bad. The big pay increase, in sourced work by CS, including taking over the entire UAX operation at LAX both ATW and BTW. Now,what's the catch to this TA? It look too good to be true... Something have to give...

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:09 am
by charlienorth
Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 4):
On first glance it looks pretty good, but need to delve deeper into it before I decide how I will vote.

I hope it's one that works for you.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 5):
The last mechanic contract was a complete joke.

It was an insult.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:13 am
by deltal1011man
Quoting a380787 (Reply 10):

But not really and apples to apples
Thoe pilots and FAs are normally building time to go to a major
There just isn't anywhere close to that many ramp jobs in this country at the majors for those contractors to bump into. More importantly most aren't moving to work for a major.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 11):

I'm sure that's what will happen too.
It's just a whipsaw. Contractors start making to much at company XXX they cut that company and in comes YYY. Almost always with the same people. (Those who couldn't find better)

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:14 am
by a380787
Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 13):

Possibly no catch. From my armchair point of view, Munoz seems determined to harmonize all workgroups very quickly within the first quarters of his tenure, so maybe he has instructed the negotiation team to reach a TA at all costs, even if it means industry-leading wages and benefits.

It would be tremendous for his legacy to achieve something in months where his predecessor has failed in years. DL's RA, to give him the credit he deserves, was a master at labor relations. it would be difficult for Munoz to attain the same heights, but he appears to have the grit for it.

Now all that said, "trying" doesn't earn you brownie points. CEOs are paid to get it done, not just "made an effort." Only a real unified and fully ratified contract negotiated in good faith (not forced down by arbitrators) will. For that I'm cautiously optimistic. No more "sUA vs sCO" bickering.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:25 am
by deltal1011man
Quoting a380787 (Reply 16):

There s at least one catch, a good amount of the stations in the agreement will have the same sunset clause they have now.

So if the company doesn't want to play nice with the next contract they can send a fair amount of work to a vendor.

No idea why the IAM keeps agreeing to the sunset. Basically means at some point they will either cut them or do the pay to keep them game all over again.



Also to get a new station UA and UAX would have to operate 35 flights per DAY. I think it's 5 76 seaters or up per day at AA.

[Edited 2016-04-04 21:30:07]

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:39 am
by malaysia
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
From the TA documents I've reviewed, some big pay raises being thrown out there as the carrot (up to 18% upfront and 30%+ over the life of contract)

With that I am sure some management with at least 10 years at UA might go back to being a ramp agent, since it is pretty now more than what their own supervisor probably makes.

Imagine what the Ramp Supervisors who make 50K will feel..... with direct reports now making 65K to 72K (not including overtime)

kinda seems unrealistic for ramp work, what if the economy tanks again?

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:40 am
by a380787
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 17):

At 18+30 raise, a sunset clause sounds fair as a give and take. That's a way to keep them performing instead of doing just the bare minimum required.

From what I'm reading, still more carrots than sticks.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:45 am
by deltal1011man
Quoting a380787 (Reply 19):

It's great if you aren't in one of those stations.

With the IAMs most recent history if I were in those cities I'd vote no. Both the union and the compan have proved they would send them down the river in a heart beat.

But that's jmo.

Quoting malaysia (Reply 18):

Pay never stays in this industry
When the next down turn comes or next time management try's to shut down one of the companies labor will give back. Almost always have.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:02 am
by a380787
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):

If you look at the flip side of the coin, voting no to a good faith offer will just give ammunition to management to further accelerate the outsourcing efforts, possibly even eroding at core hubs instead of mostly out stations.

If job security is of utmost importance, then the raise requested should be lower to compensate. Labor relations is all about balancing carrot and sticks.

Another good balance would be a lower raise indexed primarily to inflation or local CoL, but add in strong job security clauses, scrub sunset clauses other than very dire scenarios, and go for more profit sharing.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:20 am
by deltal1011man
Quoting a380787 (Reply 21):

I don't disagree with this at all honestly

If I were a UA ramper or above wing my first goal would be getting ALL the stations protected. I feel that in the good times we have labor should focus more on work rules, scope, retirement and insurance over huge raises. Like I said above the company will take them back in a few years. Scope and things like that are in bad shape more due to the bankruptcy years than anything. Much harder for the company to get scope than pay, Imo

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:40 am
by a380787
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 22):

There's an angle of sincerity in this TA. UA has been plagued with higher than industry labor costs (their CASM ex-fuel has been painful), and yet they're willing to go for a TA that's even more raises and possibly to industry leading levels. So Munoz *may* be using this to show good faith that he's willing to achieve harmony and peace with the workgroups.

Now it takes 2 to tango so if IAM accepted this, maybe their rank and file thinks the carrots outweigh any future risks like the ones you've outlined. Things will be yanked any BK scenario no matter how air tight the contract was, so let's not plan for that.

Step 2 to patch wounds is obviously insourcing the previous damage, but we are speculating too far ahead. Munoz is showing the right moves for now but he still has to prove he's worthy of his title. Credit is given only when it's actually due.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:29 am
by T5towbar
Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):
On a somewhat unrelated note, what about the ones signed by Cuomo for New York State ? Is EWR covered by it, or is it just a LGA JFK thing ?

NY State only. Not NJ. And CA will have one as well. So if that happens, adjustments in the scale will be made. I remember at old CO, we had Three scales. MIA had a separate scale. SFO had a separate scale. And there was a "Market Rate" scale. Higher at the bottom end. No raises (or very small) in the middle, and everybody topped out at the same rate. This will probably happen for the cities and states with the new minimum wage, so it won't be much of an issue. But this will affect the vendors though. They will have to raise there wages and top outs as well.

Quoting malaysia (Reply 18):
Imagine what the Ramp Supervisors who make 50K will feel..... with direct reports now making 65K to 72K (not including overtime)

Either they will be getting an increase (which they will) , or they want more junior RSE taking this thankless job. Unless you work in the "ROC" where all you you do is move people around from a computer screen in an office. Being a supervisor is no fun. I would not do it.

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 13):

So far this TA offering doesn't look so bad. The big pay increase, in sourced work by CS, including taking over the entire UAX operation at LAX both ATW and BTW. Now,what's the catch to this TA? It look too good to be true... Something have to give...

This is a surprise. What was needed was the Express Ops in DEN and IAD as well. IMHO, ALL work in a hub should be ours. NO SPLIT OPS. I'm thinking that this was one of the compromises and maybe they will be the testbed for the new UGS ops. Who knows. UGS will have all of Tier 3 ( stations that are presently or formerly held by Envoy and DGS) But the disaster that happened last winter with the vendor should have gave the signal that we should have got that work too.
Those were traditionally handled by SkyWest (just like DEN). Don't know what to make of that, but I'm glad we got that work though.

I'm am also surprised at the 5 year length of this.
So far from what I read, the members wanted scope before anything else. And I think the company wanted this because operations were so bad with all of the cuts. There is some sincerity in Oscar, and he seems like he wants some kind of labor peace and stability.

A lot of work language was straightened out and some internal issues was made better. The guys and gals that on Year 9 and 10 have to climb one extra step now, but that is minor because they will get the 4.00 and change increase instead of almost 9.00 and change increase. No so called "protection dates" and now there is a flight threshold which should be in our favor because of the slew of mainline aircraft and the drawdown of the 50 seaters, more cities will be flying more mainline.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 22):
If I were a UA ramper or above wing my first goal would be getting ALL the stations protected. I feel that in the good times we have labor should focus more on work rules, scope, retirement and insurance over huge raises. Like I said above the company will take them back in a few years. Scope and things like that are in bad shape more due to the bankruptcy years than anything. Much harder for the company to get scope than pay, Imo

And that's what the members wanted. WE took the money before and paid a heavy price. In a perfect world, I'd love to get back a lot of cities we lost. PLUS our Cargo. But there is a reality to all of this, and one of the main things was to hold serve of what we presently have and try to strengthen and add if we can as well.

I think this will pass.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:24 am
by bhmdiversion
Here is the new pay scale in the TA:



RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:46 pm
by ericm2031
Quoting T5towbar (Reply 24):

This is a surprise. What was needed was the Express Ops in DEN and IAD as well. IMHO, ALL work in a hub should be ours. NO SPLIT OPS. I'm thinking that this was one of the compromises and maybe they will be the testbed for the new UGS ops. Who knows. UGS will have all of Tier 3 ( stations that are presently or formerly held by Envoy and DGS) But the disaster that happened last winter with the vendor should have gave the signal that we should have got that work too.
Those were traditionally handled by SkyWest (just like DEN). Don't know what to make of that, but I'm glad we got that work though.

The disaster last winter I think had more to do with the contract switchover happening in December than anything. They switched in the middle of the holidays, which was terrible timing. Now, I still think UA should bring it in-house as a hub, but I'm assuming that contract with Simplicity is still a typical 3 year contract

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:27 pm
by B737900ER
Quoting malaysia (Reply 18):
Imagine what the Ramp Supervisors who make 50K will feel..... with direct reports now making 65K to 72K (not including overtime)

Imagine how a mechanic feels when the ramp guy is making more than him. If Munoz is really serious about building bridges he should focus efforts on getting everyone unified. News of this contract is a bitter pill for mechanics and FAs. It's doing more harm than good right now.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:56 am
by RyanairGuru
Quoting B737900ER (Reply 27):

This contract, along with the pilot contract extension, show that the company is willing to negotiate, and deliver industry leading pay. Negotiation involves give and take though, and it takes two to tango. ALPA and now IAM have got on-board and are on their second (or one-and-a-half in the case of the pilots) joint contract. AFA and IBT are just as responsible as the company for the fact that their members aren't integrated, if not more so given that the company is clearly happy to do a deal.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:47 am
by B737900ER
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 28):
AFA and IBT are just as responsible as the company for the fact that their members aren't integrated, if not more so given that the company is clearly happy to do a deal.

I can't speak for the AFA, but the company cut off negotiations with the IBT, forced their version, and called it a last best and final offer. It was insulting garbage, proven by a 93% no vote. This is after they agreed to expedited negotiations, and then backtracked right before the contract was complete, and threw the whole thing out. It's been three years, and the IBT has been more than willing to compromise, leading to a strained relationship with its own members. The bottom line is the company has no incentive to negotiate. To them maintenance is already intergrated, since the fleet has no fences. If Oscar is who is says he is, then he needs to prove it. Not with just two work groups, but everybody.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:34 am
by deltal1011man
Quoting B737900ER (Reply 29):

I can't speak for the AFA, but the company cut off negotiations with the IBT, forced their version, and called it a last best and final offer. It was insulting garbage, proven by a 93% no vote. This is after they agreed to expedited negotiations, and then backtracked right before the contract was complete, and threw the whole thing out. It's been three years, and the IBT has been more than willing to compromise, leading to a strained relationship with its own members. The bottom line is the company has no incentive to negotiate.

EXACTLY!

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 28):
This contract, along with the pilot contract extension, show that the company is willing to negotiate, and deliver industry leading pay. Negotiation involves give and take though, and it takes two to tango. ALPA and now IAM have got on-board and are on their second (or one-and-a-half in the case of the pilots) joint contract. AFA and IBT are just as responsible as the company for the fact that their members aren't integrated, if not more so given that the company is clearly happy to do a deal.

my advice, know what you are talking about before you start tossing garbage, and it is complete garbage, out like this.

IBT has bent over BACKWARDS for the company,to the point its members are very seriously looking at sending them packing. UA in the last contract, asked for a b-scale, 3 more airplane types they could outsource which meant ALL widebody outsourcing, and pushing everyone over to TEAMcare thus cutting insurance benefits to the point of basically erasing the pay increases.
so what in that is worth voting for RyanairGuru? You would honestly vote for that garbage? (don't lie and tell us yes)

Man, you pro-company 100% really need to READ THE "AGREEMENTS" before posting. Not only was it a bankruptcy contract in the best times the US industry has EVER seen but it was a complete slap in the face to our all mechanics everyone. I don't even touch UA planes and it pissed me off.

Jeesh. 93% of the COMBINED group voted no. This isn't like the AFA where its union in-fighting its sUA and sCO together say no to the company.

Alright. I'm done.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:55 am
by CALTECH
Quoting T5towbar (Reply 24):
I think this will pass.

Really ? Hearing from the Ramp folks that they have to give up too much for this contract....

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 30):
Jeesh. 93% of the COMBINED group voted no.

Too much was being asked to be given up in that proposal. Most of those 93.2 % who voted No, also did not like that program called teamcare, which is also run by the same folks who run the Central States Pension Fund, which was part of the proposal. The union was voted in to represent and not to administer the healthcare of it's members.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/per...s-criticize-pension-cuts/79717958/

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:07 am
by jumpseat67
Quoting B737900ER (Reply 29):

So the IAM being the third group then? Both the Pilots (ALPA) and the Dispatchers (PAFCA) have agreed to extensions on their original agreements.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:07 am
by malaysia
Quoting CALTECH (Reply 31):
Really ? Hearing from the Ramp folks that they have to give up too much for this contract....

What is majorly being given up? I am not familiar with UA labor and the contracts...

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:10 am
by deltal1011man
Quoting malaysia (Reply 33):

FWIW the TAs are on the IAM 141 website or highlights I should say.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:28 pm
by B737900ER
Quoting jumpseat67 (Reply 32):
Dispatchers

I was speaking of major workgroups. Not saying dispatchers aren't important, but there's only a few hundred.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:09 pm
by COSPN
Nothing to give up except 75 cents in Longevity pay for 33.30 an hour .. YES on this one

And 100 million signing bonus to boot  Smile

[Edited 2016-04-06 09:12:02]

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:22 pm
by deltal1011man
Quoting CALTECH (Reply 31):

Too much was being asked to be given up in that proposal. Most of those 93.2 % who voted No, also did not like that program called teamcare, which is also run by the same folks who run the Central States Pension Fund, which was part of the proposal. The union was voted in to represent and not to administer the healthcare of it's members.

Right. Its a crap program and if I were you guys I would vote anything with that garbage in it down.

I am not a big IBT fan so I personally hope you guys vote in a new union.

Hey CALTECH question for you if you know it. (well two) 1) since the 767 is in the contract as work UA is suppose to do in-house are they doing 767-400ER work in-house or since its not a JCBA is that still sent out? 2) The way your contract seems to be worded the IBT had to agree to the 787 work going to HAECO, did they? (I know the company asked for all 787, 767 and 350 work to be sent out in this TA)

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:29 pm
by jetmatt777
Can the mechanics create their own thread to not get this one off track.

The ramp seems cautiously optimistic about this contract. There are a few spoiled rotten people who will vote no on any contract just because they hate the company.

I think this contract will pass. It has reasonable job security and a pretty decent pay raise. I also like the improved overtime work rules. Much better than current.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:27 pm
by UA444
Anything that doesn't restore the outsourced stations should be voted down. The incompetence at DTW Ticket counter is so bad I wouldn't trust them to run a lemonade stand.

[Edited 2016-04-06 10:28:21]

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:32 pm
by a380787
Quoting UA444 (Reply 39):

Anything that doesn't restore the outsourced stations should be voted down. The incompetence at DTW Ticket counter is so bad I wouldn't trust them to run a lemonade stand.

Meaning a 30-min IRROPS and they refused your demand to be re-routed onto DL ?

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:49 pm
by T5towbar
I think that DTW has a chance to be worked by us. More mainline aircraft will be flying into places like DTW and ATL. So who knows. Hopefully we can recapture lost work once those new 700's and 319's start arriving.

I'm being positive and cautiously optimistic at the same time............

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:29 am
by antoniemey
Quoting a380787 (Reply 40):
Meaning a 30-min IRROPS and they refused your demand to be re-routed onto DL ?

As a contract agent, I also have a rather low opinion of the people working DTW, but from the Baggage Service end. Lack of training and a problem retaining agents would be my guess.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:03 pm
by 777ord
read-the-contract..... or they'll be in the same boat they are now. But we all know they won't. It's time off and pay they look at. that's it.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:42 am
by CALTECH
Quoting malaysia (Reply 33):
What is majorly being given up? I am not familiar with UA labor and the contracts...

Negotiations on many other items.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 37):
Right. Its a crap program and if I were you guys I would vote anything with that garbage in it down.

I am not a big IBT fan so I personally hope you guys vote in a new union.

That program for health care is not good. The union was voted in to represent us, and negotiate work rules and pay, they were not voted in to administer our health care. Money grab is what it looks like.

One could hope on voting in......

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 37):
Hey CALTECH question for you if you know it. (well two) 1) since the 767 is in the contract as work UA is suppose to do in-house are they doing 767-400ER work in-house or since its not a JCBA is that still sent out? 2) The way your contract seems to be worded the IBT had to agree to the 787 work going to HAECO, did they? (I know the company asked for all 787, 767 and 350 work to be sent out in this TA)

A lot of it is done outside vendors, if not all. I'll look into it a bit more.


Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 37):
2) The way your contract seems to be worded the IBT had to agree to the 787 work going to HAECO, did they? (I know the company asked for all 787, 767 and 350 work to be sent out in this TA)

All widebody work in the future was to be allowed to be done by outside vendors. All we received is the 737s and A319/320 fleets, IIRC.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 38):
Can the mechanics create their own thread to not get this one off track.

No. And like the vote on the company proposal, hell no.   

Quoting 777ord (Reply 43):
read-the-contract..... or they'll be in the same boat they are now. But we all know they won't. It's time off and pay they look at. that's it.

Hearing a lot of things that should be negotiated when this contract runs out, will not be under this latest proposal.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:49 am
by tpaewr
Quoting UA444 (Reply 39):

Anything that doesn't restore the outsourced stations should be voted down. The incompetence at DTW Ticket counter is so bad I wouldn't trust them to run a lemonade stand.

That is too bad. I didn't know the UA folks there. But the CO team was awesome. I used to have family up in DTW. It really sucked how many great folks got axed

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:43 pm
by CALTECH
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 37):
Hey CALTECH question for you if you know it. (well two) 1) since the 767 is in the contract as work UA is suppose to do in-house are they doing 767-400ER work in-house or since its not a JCBA is that still sent out? 2) The way your contract seems to be worded the IBT had to agree to the 787 work going to HAECO, did they? (I know the company asked for all 787, 767 and 350 work to be sent out in this TA)

Hong Kong, Macon and Miami vendors are doing most of the 767-300/-400 work.

787 are being done in HAECO Shanghai, and it was allowed.

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:03 pm
by United1

RE: United And IAM Reach TA

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:55 pm
by jetmatt777
No surprise there. It's a good contract. Much better than the garbage we got last time.