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TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:59 am

http://www.aeroin.net/tam-aposenta-o...aeronave-de-importancia-historica/

SAO PAULO - TAM performed today, 04/04, its last commercial A330-200 flight, on the MEX-GRU route. The flight was operated by A332 PT-MVQ. As of today, all A330 operations have been replaced by B763 or A359.

TAM says this is part of the fleet modernization process, which will continue with the introduction of new, more efficient aircraft, like the A350 and 787.

Some A330s are still on hold, and may be deployed only in case of necessity, according to TAM.

Sure is the end of an era for TAM! I've had good experiences aboard their A332s.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:26 am

They modernized service to b767.... Didn't think I would hear the words in 2016.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:51 am

The awkward part of JJ long haul is that they really blast their aircon. Some say Asian airlines tend to be warm .... well JJ was the 180° contrast. On my JFK-GIG 763 flight back in Nov'15, I was wearing 3 layers including a winter coat PLUS the blanket over my head and still shivering for the full 10 hours.

This wasn't a problem when I flew their 332 back in 2011 on my way to EZE. (just an anecdote, nothing related to the plane types)

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 1):

I'll give them some credit - their 763 has 777-style Sky interior plus 16:9 capacitative AVOD in economy (as opposed to ancient resistive touch technology). The interior was also well maintained. If you lied and said this is a new variant called "767-8X", some might actually believe you. =p
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:38 am

The 767s are very new build aircraft. Some as new as 2013/14.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:01 am

I believe their new 767's are former LAN birds, LAN took delivery of new 767's just a few years ago so in many cases they are more modern that the TAM A332's are far as comfort, amenities, etc.
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:20 am

Is JJ going on the right direction?

I haven't read much, but I perceive as JJ taking RG's place and Azul being the new JJ. Is this real? Or just some non sense from my side?

Is the long haul fleet downsizing? Still JJ has the biggest widebody fleet in all Latin America.

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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:28 am

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 5):

Azul is still pretty far from that. Regardless of what they claim, VCP isn't GRU. Other than leisure passengers, many would dread the round trip hike from VCP back to SP city.

But yes, they're on the right track, including graduating from E-jets to proper mainline soon.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:57 pm

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 5):
Is the long haul fleet downsizing? Still JJ has the biggest widebody fleet in all Latin America.

No, with all the A350s coming in, plus I believe they are still taking more 767s from LAN (likely as LAN gets more 787s), their long haul fleet is growing.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:22 pm

I just managed to catch a sighting of the A332 last month in Bogota. They will be missed. Never knew they were coming off service so soon.
On another topic with TAM. Wasnt TAM supposed to debut the A350 to Madrid on 4th April? I still see the flight is being operated by a 77W.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:24 pm

About 5 years ago, didn't they announce they were getting rid of their 763s?  
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:44 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 2):

I know what you mean about the A/C in 767s. Last December I flew on an A.A. 767 from Campinas, Brasil to Miami
and froze to death despite having a couple of layers of clothes on. When I got back to Miami I developed a cold that lasted a
couple of days.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:56 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 9):
About 5 years ago, didn't they announce they were getting rid of their 763s?

Yes, they were originally going to get rid of the 767s when they only had a small fleet of 3 ex-AZ planes. That decision was reversed several months later and it was decided that newer 767s (all but two less than 5 years old) would be shifted from LAN to TAM as the former airline received 787s to replace the 767s in their fleet. They did get rid of the older ex-AZ planes though.

I think this is around the time that they decided to cut First class. The 767s and A332s have about the same number of seats except the A330s were three class and the 767s two class. I guess they figured the A332 markets couldn't handle many more seats (as the A332 seat count obviously would have grown if they reconfigured out the First class).
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:07 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 11):
I think this is around the time that they decided to cut First class.

Right. The only aircraft to still offer F seating are some of the 77Ws (if not all).

As for the A/C some are mentioning... it's true. All the times I've flown with TAM the aircon has been blowing ice cold. They usually set it to under 20C from the way it feels.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:13 pm

Quoting reffado (Reply 12):
Right. The only aircraft to still offer F seating are some of the 77Ws (if not all).

F on all the 77Ws has been removed. For the past year or so the only planes with F were the A330s, which TAM obviously didn't bother reconfiguring as they were being retired anyways.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:16 pm

Quoting reffado (Reply 12):
The only aircraft to still offer F seating are some of the 77W

None of the B777 have first class, they have all been reconfigured to 56J323Y.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:37 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 13):
Quoting TW (Reply 14):

I stand corrected!
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:39 pm

Sad to see those birds go! Some of my most memorable fights were on JJ A332's (MIA-GRU).

I'll be riding the new A359 next month from GRU-MIA, a welcome change even though the A330 is my favorite aircraft.
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:17 pm

So GRU-MEX is now a 763 route?
Upcoming flights:
April/May: AM MEX-SCL 788 (J), AM EZE-MEX 789 (J).
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:28 am

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 1):

Me either.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:50 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):

JJ 8112 now shows at B763.

JJ 8354 however shows as 77W.

Not sure how accurate these two are.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:19 am

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 1):
They modernized service to b767.... Didn't think I would hear the words in 2016.

You didn't.
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:15 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 20):
You didn't.

Umm....

Quoting reffado (Thread starter):
As of today, all A330 operations have been replaced by B763 or A359.

TAM says this is part of the fleet modernization process,
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:01 am

Quoting reffado (Thread starter):
TAM says this is part of the fleet modernization process, which will continue with the introduction of new, more efficient aircraft, like the A350 and 787.

Hmm kay.

That said ignoring being a stirrer, if it works for LATAM? Good.
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:39 am

The A330-200 will always have a special place in TAM history since its was the plane which launched TAM beyond Brazil and Latin America's shores to Miami and Paris CDG in 1998. TAM survived many obstacles in Brazil's airline industry seeing all its competitors collapse, long live Varig.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:09 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 23):
TAM survived many obstacles in Brazil's airline industry seeing all its competitors collapse, long live Varig.

This is very relevant. TAM is currently the only carrier in Brazil to have existed in the 20th century. The only one that is still around. Not going to lie though, a part of me still hopes for an RG revival. Though I know that's as unlikely as a PA resurrection.
 
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RE: TAM Ends Commercial A332 Service

Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:17 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 7):
No, with all the A350s coming in, plus I believe they are still taking more 767s from LAN (likely as LAN gets more 787s), their long haul fleet is growing.

Well, fleet is now 16xB767-300ER including 1 cargo frame plus 10xB777-300ER. Long ago, JJ long haul fleet once reached 32 widebodies.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
So GRU-MEX is now a 763 route?

Yes, they first started mixing 1xB767 then 1xA330 and now is full Boeing 767 operation. LA transferred mostly all recent 767 deliveries as LA's adds Boeing 787's to its fleet, but LA has also retired oldest Boeing 767 and has even sold a few cargo B767s.

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