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Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 1): So it seems like NZ announced AKL-MNL nonstop.. |
Quoting mariner (Reply 2): Perhaps someone jumped the gun? |
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8): IIRC they are still to announce 1 more Americas destination (with the success of IAH I wouldn't be surprised if they announce DEN or maybe ORD). |
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9): Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8): IIRC they are still to announce 1 more Americas destination (with the success of IAH I wouldn't be surprised if they announce DEN or maybe ORD). If this happens I believe it will coincide with introduction of the TEN engine and perhaps a higher percentage premium seating configuration. The conundrum I have is how a wider seat in Y can be achieved . ORD-AKL will be about 16hrs . A long time in a 17" seat. I wonder about splitting the Y cabin into a combination of 8 and 9 abreast. |
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 11): MNL now confirmed on NZ website as 3 x weekly and year round http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/direct-flights-to-manila |
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 10): I'm assuming you are talking about the 789 but with uprated engines? |
Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 15): I wish them well with this, but it seems like a bit of a punt to me . . . ? |
Quoting mariner (Reply 14): Good news. I wonder where is next in the Asian quadrant of the Pacific Rim. |
Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 15): I wish them well with this, but it seems like a bit of a punt to me |
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 19): Surely it would be more likely for NZ to compete on AKL-ICN with KE in codeshare with OZ, or perhaps AKL-TPE direct with 763's to compete with CI's routes via Oz in codeshare with BR? |
Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 15): I wish them well with this, but it seems like a bit of a punt to me . . . ? |
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 17): I have been wondering the same. Stephen Jones recently travelled to Chengdu, China to meet with officials who were even willing to subsidize direct service in some form |
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 20): It seems NZ have been more interested in new markets rather than more mature ones. |
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 20): I would rank even India before ICN & TPE as they don't like competition. |
Quote: Last year nearly 21,000 New Zealanders travelled to the Philippines and more than 19,000 Filipinos visited New Zealand so it’s clear there’s growing demand for this service. |
Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 15): Am I the only one who has a slight anxiety about the new NZ service to MNL? I'm really happy to see them continue to expand, and I assume that they've done their homework, but . . . |
Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 15): NZers don't by and large have a history of holidaying in the Philippines; |
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 18): I'd be up for a visit to the Philippines in the coming year |
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 20): It seems NZ have been more interested in new markets rather than more mature ones. I would rank even India before ICN & TPE as they don't like competition. |
Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 15): * Even if there are 40,000 Filipinos now living in NZ, providing 36,000 seats a year each in competition with PR is a lot of seats to fill if they're one of the main target markets |
Quoting zkncj (Reply 25): Quoting xiaotung (Reply 20): It seems NZ have been more interested in new markets rather than more mature ones. I would rank even India before ICN & TPE as they don't like competition. India couldn't be done non-stop with an 767, it would need an 772/789. ICE and TPE should be both doable with an 763? |
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 29): probably better served by SQ who can offer more destinations. |
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 6): It looks like the B1900 is making a return to AKL skies, albeit temporary. WAG-AKL-WAG currently showing as 3 weekday B1900 return flights when I looked to book during May. |
Quoting kaitak (Reply 34): I had assumed that NZ might use their newest type on the MNL route, rather than the 763, particularly as cargo capacity would be very important in developing new Asian routes (and the 789's cargo capacity is presumably streets ahead of the 763). |
Quoting kaitak (Reply 34): Can anyone give me an estimate of fuel burn of the 763 (I'm assuming about 5,000kg per hr in the cruise?) and the 789? Just out of pure interest |
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 38): Quoting kaitak (Reply 34): Can anyone give me an estimate of fuel burn of the 763 (I'm assuming about 5,000kg per hr in the cruise?) and the 789? Just out of pure interest A 763 with 230 passengers , 10.5hr sector will burn about 4700kg fuel/ hour at cruise. A 789 same payload, same sector distance will burn a similar amount per hour. |
Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 39): ZK-OXL has been ferried to XFW. Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 7): Not sure why you are quoting me as I didn't say anything about withholding landing fee's? Oops, I was supposed to quote sunrisevalley with my comment about aircraft being impounded. |
Quoting PA515 (Reply 31): Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 6): It looks like the B1900 is making a return to AKL skies, albeit temporary. WAG-AKL-WAG currently showing as 3 weekday B1900 return flights when I looked to book during May. BEH on AKL-WAG from Sun 08 May to Mon 16 May. Could have something to do with the late delivery of ZK-MVK. There have only been 9 ATR deliveries in the first three months of 2016, versus 19 in the same period last year. PA515 |
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 18): there is an upside... * Exports to the Philippines in 2014 NZ$750-million * Imports from the Philippines in 3014 NZ$129-million * GDP growth in 2014 of 6.1% * We have an existing FTA with the Philippines * It has well developed tourism infrastructure * English is their lingua franca * Working holiday scheme exists between the two countries * 2012 year there were 1,200 Filipina/o students studying here * Predominantly christian by culture in the same way that NZ is * Plus the 40K Philippines people resident here |
Quoting zkncj (Reply 45): South Africa is an distance issue, you can't use the low cost 763 and most types would need an stop e.g. PER. |
Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 44): That being the case, there must be an overwhelming argument in favour of South Africa! |
Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 46): I'm unconvinced by Manila. The cost base of the 763 is tiny, but so is the market and so are the potential yields. Hawaiian left a couple of years ago in spite of having a massively bigger VFR customer base. The bottom line, not that anyone is game to say it, is that the market is comprised of low-yield VFR, sex tourists and one-off low-yield outbound travellers, probably statistically in that order. That's a pretty depressing looking business model. |
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 47): According to the Great Circle Mapper the shortest distance between AKL and JNB is not only longer than NZ's current longest sector ( IAH-AKL) but also goes outside of EDTO 330 limits. In addition, there are a lot more players offering New Zealand - South Africa ( QF / CX / SQ / EK and if the QR service from AKL-DOH actually happens they will probably be giving away seats on it at ridiculous fares). I know there were mutters that EZE doesn't qualify as a 'Pacific Rim' destination, but it's certainly a lot closer to the Pacific than JNB is . |