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DUB Announces 2nd Runway - The 3rd Runway Of LHR?

Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:13 am

The Dublin Airport Authority is to push ahead with plans for a new runway at Dublin Airport, in a bid to ensure further growth at the airport.

Permission for the new runway, which will be built 1.6km north of the current main runway, was originally granted in 2007 with 31 conditions attached. The economic downturn and the subsequent fall in passengers coming through the airport saw the plans put on hold.

Passenger numbers at the airport have grown in the past two years.

The new runway is expected to be completed by 2020, and it will cost around €320 million.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/t...-plans-at-dublin-airport-1.2601732

Additional link: http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2016/0407/780101-new-dublin-runway


Shouldn't this open up significant growth opportunities for IAG to build up the EI hub, since there will be significant capacity which simply won't be available at LHR for the foreseeable future?
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:41 am

This is great news considering how difficult it is to build a runway in Europe. With the imminent (well, close...) introduction of the A321LR, this will allow DUB to become a TATL hub.

Quoting 321neo (Thread starter):
Shouldn't this open up significant growth opportunities for IAG to build up the EI hub, since there will be significant capacity which simply won't be available at LHR for the foreseeable future?

LHR is a hub with 70% O&D traffic. O&D traffic that is unusually heavy in premium demand. While Dub will be able to grow and I think it could be a hub, it isn't a direct transfer of other traffic due to the far lower O&D. It takes a very numbers run airline to thrive on low O&D transfer traffic.

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Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:58 am

More like the 3rd and soon to be 4th runways at LHR  
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:03 am

How long is the runway ? Longer then 10,000 feet I hope since some long haul airlines have complained about the shortness of the current Dublin runway. Most Aer Lingus long haul is to the USA( 757 range) but when flights start to the Orient a longer runway will be needed.

Seeing the day when Cathay Pacific and Singapore airlines fly their A350-900 to Dublin the airport needs to have all the required infrastructure.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:05 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):

3,110m
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:09 am

Quoting 321neo (Thread starter):
Shouldn't this open up significant growth opportunities for IAG to build up the EI hub, since there will be significant capacity which simply won't be available at LHR for the foreseeable future?

Might this come up for the No side in the UK's Brexit campaign? we're well aware of all the delays in the UK for building projects.. and we know IAG will capatalise on the growth opportunities it iwll bring. It might well be turned into a case for the UK staying "look... business is already moving to Ireland"
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:16 am

Quoting RRTrent (Reply 5):

Not realy, from casually following the debate it appeare leave is based on core issues like cost of membership, immigration and EU sticking its nose in.

Nobody cares about a runway as the reality is DUB will never steel LHR thunder, just PR bull.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:22 am

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 6):

Nobody cares about a runway as the reality is DUB will never steel LHR thunder, just PR bull.

PR bull or not I find the timing a year after AER Lingus merged with BA the runway is getting built interesting. More traffic via Dublin has to be a reason and IAG purchased the Irish airline to expand its long haul traffic and relieve LHR.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:30 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
This is great news considering how difficult it is to build a runway in Europe.
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The daa said that as a result of years of careful planning, land for the development was safeguarded over 40 years ago, so the runway will be delivered within the airport's existing land bank.
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2016/0407/780101-new-dublin-runway/

Unusual to find a public body with such a degree of foresight.

Usually they'll (or the govt) will sell the land for a fast buck then wonder why they've no means of improving infrastructure 'cos the land is too expensive to buy.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:32 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):

Not sure if you follow DUB much but it was reviewed since 2014 and only in 2015 did the big carriers like FR/EI talk to the daa. IAG has had no part as it would be been announced this year as current planning expires next year. Our laws require work started to get an extension and they would never left it expire as it would add 3+ years for new plans

IAG have yet to do anything worth talking about with EI.

[Edited 2016-04-07 04:34:11]
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:36 am

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 4):
3,110m

3110m = 10203ft
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:51 am

Looking at the plans, it doesn't look like such a huge project like at LHR. The footprint of the runway seems to be about 60% on existing airport land overlapping the north-south runway.

I wish DUB well!
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:54 am

Hopefully this will spur HMG to make their minds about LHR.

More likely they will conclude there is now less need for R3, let alone R4.

As for R3, if they do not decide this year, I do not expect action pre 2020.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:11 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 6):
leave is based on core issues like cost of membership, immigration and EU sticking its nose in.

I wasn't suggesting it was a core issue or anything of the sort... but it's another branch for the "lets stay" tree. I can picture the Daily Mail headline "Irish are taking our jobs and airplanes from Eeefwow"
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:29 pm

About time DUB gets a parallel runway. In 2015, they handled almost 200,000 movements. There aren't a lot of intl airports with those kind of numbers that dont have a proper parallel runway. (LGW being the obvious exception)

YYC, FLL, CUN, etc built their parallels recently. It's about time DUB got one as well.

The new layout of the runways and the location of the main apron will look a lot like YUL.

Oddly enough, YUL's parallels are also exactly 1.6 km apart.



Here is a look at YUL



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Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:37 pm

The Ei & IAG merger closed just a few months ago, but at some point IAG will so something beyond what EI is today. AS you know Willie Walsh is IAG CEO and former EI CEO and pilot. Just thinking of the USA EI could easily add about 6 flight today it it had 6 extra A330's lying around. Miami, DFW, Philadelphia, Charlotte, LAX, amd SEA just to start. EI has always been strong at JFK, ORD and BOS. Dulles could be a destination, if they don't fly there aleady.

Any city Emirates can justify flying to in the USA EI should fly to. If there is enough if a market to go to Dubai there is enough of one to Ireland or connect over Dublin. Not that Emirates or Aer Lingus are competing for the same pasengers.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:39 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
This is great news considering how difficult it is to build a runway in Europe.

Indeed. It is also noteworthy that there is minimal local opposition to the project.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:50 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
EI has always been strong at JFK, ORD and BOS

And based on last summers loads, I think they need expansion at BOS too, problem is lack of gate space (which is a whole other story we will not get into on this thread).

I would love to see EI expand into other markets, they do fly to IAD already. I think the 2nd runway will be awesome for DUB and I just hope that IAG/EI will use it to maximize the potential of DUB as a hub for the future
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:20 pm

I hadn't realized that DUB had such a short runway. Are some of the longer flights from there (e.g. EI A330 to LAX) ever weight restricted because of it?
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:42 pm

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 18):
I hadn't realized that DUB had such a short runway. Are some of the longer flights from there (e.g. EI A330 to LAX) ever weight restricted because of it?

No, 8600ft is ample room for an A332 to LAX. On hot days maybe there is a slight penalty, but anything above 20C is rare at DUB so its not really an operational concern.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:36 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 16):
Indeed. It is also noteworthy that there is minimal local opposition to the project.

Ahhh sure you'll let me build a wee runway here father won't ye?

No Mrs Doyle, I'm all right for a runway

Ahhh, just a wee runway father

No Mrs Doyle, I'm grand

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Errr, OK then Mrs Doyle a runway it is!
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:30 pm

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 18):
I hadn't realized that DUB had such a short runway. Are some of the longer flights from there (e.g. EI A330 to LAX) ever weight restricted because of it?

DUB doesn't have hot or high issues and is closer to the US than any major truly European (not KEF) airport, besides SNN. Remember that ET also runs their 788 from DUB to LAX.
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:33 pm

Quoting RRTrent (Reply 19):

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 18):
I hadn't realized that DUB had such a short runway. Are some of the longer flights from there (e.g. EI A330 to LAX) ever weight restricted because of it?

No, 8600ft is ample room for an A332 to LAX. On hot days maybe there is a slight penalty, but anything above 20C is rare at DUB so its not really an operational concern.

I've been at DUB on days where they've been using 16 without a particularly strong headwind and A330/777 seem to manage it fine and it's 200ft short of 7,000ft! I think its easy to underestimate the capability of widebodies sometimes.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:46 pm

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 20):

Go on, go on, go on!  
Quoting 321neo (Thread starter):
was originally granted in 2007 with 31 conditions attached.

Is there a list of these conditions available?
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:07 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 23):

There is but the two relevant ones to operations are new runway cannot be used between 23.00-07.00 and flights between those hours are capped at 65. Today it's around 72. There is no current restrictions in place so they could operate almost 350 flights between those hours if they wanted. The rest are your usual environment type ones.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:46 pm

Excellent news for DUB. This is literally the 3rd LHR runway. Having two parallels will allow IAG to develop it into a full-blown hub. And the A321NEOLR will arrive just in time for this, opening even further opportunities.
The IAG setup is now complete: DUB for EU-TATL, MAD for EU-LatAm, LHR for London O&D and ad-hoc connections, Vueling for intra-EU.

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 8):
The daa said that as a result of years of careful planning, land for the development was safeguarded over 40 years ago, so the runway will be delivered within the airport's existing land bank.

Amazing. Such foresight is so rare these days...

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 14):
In 2015, they handled almost 200,000 movements.

How does DUB use its runways? That is an extremely high number of movements for a single runway, almost at LGW levels - is the crosswind runway also used occasionally?
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:34 pm

Next headline will be BA's A380's to be stationed at Dub
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:52 pm

Quoting ei737ng (Reply 26):

That would be some sight!!

Is the (single) A380 ready gate at pier E actually completed??
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:28 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 25):
How does DUB use its runways? That is an extremely high number of movements for a single runway, almost at LGW levels - is the crosswind runway also used occasionally?

Fair bit to go to reach LGW but its better layout out. Runway ops are planned on a single runway, the crosswind is used when wind forces the main runway to close and sometimes at peak hours between 6.30-8.00 dual ops happen to ensure on time departures but as I say planned for single runway operational one a given time.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:35 pm

I hadn't realised that the number of movements at Dublin was do high. If it hasn't already, I would expect them to overtake Brisbane (BNE) this year as the second busiest second single runway airport in the world by movements.

Does DUB have serious congestion problems or does it use a slot system? BNE is not slot controlled and at peak time you can wait 30+ minutes in a stack, it feels like LHR sometimes! Their second runway is under construction right now.
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Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:50 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 29):

191,233 commercial movements in 2015, then private, cargo and aircraft maintenance would make up a a lot.

DUB is slot controlled but at peak hours especially 06.00-08.00, it can be congested and any little small issues cause knock on delays quickly. Taxi times can vary could be 10-20 minutes it really depends however the taxi system can often block inbound aircraft getting to stands if there is heavy congestion.

I think 2020 will be the right time for it to become operational as by then it will be needed however things are reasonably good now when things go to plan.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:53 am

Am I the only one who doesn't think this can replace the 3rd LHR runway?
A 3rd runway at LHR would accommodate 30 to 40 million more passengers. Partially as LHR has enough O&D demand to drive up the gauge of aircraft that will enable far more connections.

For example, I do not see more than three flights per day, with TATL feed, to India. So that limits the India to TATL feed possible. There just isn't the O&D demand at DUB.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 30):
DUB is slot controlled but at peak hours especially 06.00-08.00, it can be congested and any little small issues cause knock on delays quickly. Taxi times can vary could be 10-20 minutes it really depends however the taxi system can often block inbound aircraft getting to stands if there is heavy congestion.

Then it is past time to expand. But at least there is a plan forward by 2020.


Someone needs to explain to me the European desire for lots of little hubs instead of adding runways to LHR, FRA, MUC, BER (as a 3 runway airport, when it opens in 3032), CDG, or AMS. Heck, STN or LGW to 2 runway. Oh well, the ME3 thank you.

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Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:07 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
This is great news considering how difficult it is to build a runway in Europe. With the imminent (well, close...) introduction of the A321LR, this will allow DUB to become a TATL hub.

Which hopefully means more TATL competition and lower prices. Is LAX-DUB doable on an A321LR? It will be interesting to see what happens if EI develops DUB into a very busy TATL hub with multiple frequencies based on the A321LR (or a similar aircraft) ....US3+EU3 are not going to be happy and the US3/EU3 vs ME3 battle will pale in comparison to what is brewing come 2017 and beyond!!
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:29 am

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 4):

Would have been nice to include the 10200 foot distance as well as he had stated feet in his question. In the US they are afraid of metric.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:38 am

I wonder if they own the land between the current and proposed runway? Or if they could purchase it someday for expansion or building a new more modern terminal layout? That land looks like it's begging for development.
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:00 am

LAX-DUB is not doable on an Airbus A321LR by a long shot, think of it as useful for routes to places such as CLE, YUL and other north-east American destinations.
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:36 am

Has O'Leary signed off on this new runway? I am sure this will raise airport charges to unbelieveable levels.  Wow!
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:49 am

DUB could quite easily be the next TATL hub, especially with this expansion. Remember that Ireland has no APD, so when its 'on the way' anyway it works out a lot cheaper to get a £20 FR flight from your local airport to DUB, then direct to the US for around half the price of an ex-LHR ticket. I can see EI in particular selling flights this way in the future (separate tickets) to get around charging APD.

Very easy to connect there too, we just did FR-AA and reverse on the way back, connection time less than 30 mins each way, including baggage (even with the terminal change at DUB), and we got to fly from our local airport which made for a much easier trip.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:02 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 36):
Has O'Leary signed off on this new runway? I am sure this will raise airport charges to unbelieveable levels.  

Yes, and no, it won't.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/t...s-250-million-new-runway-1.2512174

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Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:10 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 31):
Am I the only one who doesn't think this can replace the 3rd LHR runway?
A 3rd runway at LHR would accommodate 30 to 40 million more passengers. Partially as LHR has enough O&D demand to drive up the gauge of aircraft that will enable far more connections.

Nope, I am of the same opinion.

For the same reasons as why building additional runways at UK regional airports won't do anything to alleviate the issue. People fly into London, to visit London. They don't want to fly into Birmingham/Manchester or wherever, and catch another flight or train. Simple as that.

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 33):
Would have been nice to include the 10200 foot distance as well as he had stated feet in his question. In the US they are afraid of metric.

At least in the US there is some consistency, in UK schools they teach us metric everything, but we measure distance and speed in miles and miles per hour respectively.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:29 am

Quoting inflightvideo (Reply 37):

DUB could quite easily be the next TATL hub, especially with this expansion. Remember that Ireland has no APD, so when its 'on the way' anyway it works out a lot cheaper to get a £20 FR flight from your local airport to DUB, then direct to the US for around half the price of an ex-LHR ticket. I can see EI in particular selling flights this way in the future (separate tickets) to get around charging APD.

A respected airline like Aer Lingus can't be seen to be encouraging tax avoidance.

From the UK the tax is due and payable in full at published rates for all connecting journeys within the 24 hour period via any intermediate point.

The only way to avoid it legally is fly to Belfast catch the bus to Dublin or ferry/tunnel to France and head to Brussels/Amsterdam/Paris .

As for this Dublin becoming a transfer hub between the EU and North America - Aer Lingus have been offering this "service" for 50 years !

Seriously with the real growth of more point to point/Hub across the European airport network - Why the desire (Lightsaber) to force people through mega hubs longer travel times and multiple stop journeys.

The many small hub strategy fits the disparate nature of Europe combined with much/most commercial traffic going at ground level.

We just don't have a requirement for a bazillion regional jets and once again few in Europe would countenance say Brussels - London- Copenhagen, Manchester- Dublin - London or Munich- Frankfurt - Rome combinations as anything but stupid costly and time wasting .

Given the are similar to very many of the journeys that happen over the US Hub and Spoke Systems

Hub and Spoke within the European aviation industry is predicated on longer haul markets where the US is about domestic intercity travel- Rail does that nicely across much of Europe.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:46 am

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 24):
the two relevant ones to operations are new runway cannot be used between 23.00-07.00 and flights between those hours are capped at 65. Today it's around 72

are these the same as in "the airport authority warned that two of the conditions attached to the planning permission were “onerous” and would severely reduce the future operational capacity of the airport at key times." (Irish Times article)? I can the the severe reduction in capacity between e.g. 06:30 and 07:00, but not the "onerous" part. Maybe through the fewer planes paying fewer fees.
And are these two restrictions for the new runway only or for the whole airport complex?

Anyways, we have here a good and rationalistic development for an already great airport.
Not like what French authorities try to push in Nantes, shovelling public money into a Private Consortium's hands to build from scratch a new airport in Notre Dame Des Landes. A project officially worth a bit under the Billion of €uros but, if built, will go way above that. And of course after a parody of Public Debate, with ludicrous arguments, decided Nantes needed TWO 3600m runways.
Oh, we had a Public authority with a little bit too much foresight here because land was acquired in the 70's and you know, the dozens Concorde a day, etc...

I think I could go on and on for days. But how I wished we had that kind of rational wisdom in our country sometimes...
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:57 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 40):
A respected airline like Aer Lingus can't be seen to be encouraging tax avoidance.

From the UK the tax is due and payable in full at published rates for all connecting journeys within the 24 hour period via any intermediate point.

Not that it's encouraged, but people do already do this with BA/IAG and they are well aware that it goes on. As mentioned above, you can hop over with Ryanair for £20 return and technically start your trip in Dublin (or any EU airport for that matter, Dublin tends to be the most convenient however), so you are just a connecting passenger through the UK and thus no APD due. There is nothing illegal about this whatsoever, provided you have departed the UK within 24 hours of arrival. If they would leave huge loopholes such as this wide open, people will take advantage of them... and fair play to them in my opinion. APD is a massive con.

All BA care about is that you complete the trip in full, so if you're from the UK and want to start your trip in Dublin, it has to end there as well. They actively monitor and audit this type of itinerary and it is not unheard of for passengers to be invoiced for not completing the journey.

It's been noted elsewhere that airports in Northern Ireland have suffered, as people become more savvy and catch a bus or drive the hour or so down to Dublin and fly from there without having to pay APD.
 
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RE: DUB Announces 2nd Runway - The 3rd Runway Of LHR?

Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:03 am

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 42):
All BA care about is that you complete the trip in full, so if you're from the UK and want to start your trip in Dublin, it has to end there as well. They actively monitor and audit this type of itinerary and it is not unheard of for passengers to be invoiced for not completing the journey.

True that is - its tantamount to fraud and yes they WILL charge your card if found out.

Also not disputing that many are avoiding tax on long journeys via Amsterdam/Dublin and others - Still its good old take avoidance - We no how that goes down at home with DM readers !
 
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RE: DUB Announces 2nd Runway - The 3rd Runway Of LHR?

Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:48 am

Why are we calling this DUB's 2nd runway?

Dublin already has two runways: 10/28 and 16/34.
 
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RE: DUB Announces 2nd Runway - The 3rd Runway Of LHR?

Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:07 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 29):
I would expect them to overtake Brisbane (BNE) this year as the second busiest second single runway airport in the world by movements.

Neither DUB or BNE are single runway airports???
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RE: DUB Announces 2nd Runway - The 3rd Runway Of LHR?

Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:42 am

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 44):
Why are we calling this DUB's 2nd runway?

Dublin already has two runways: 10/28 and 16/34.
Quoting PITrules (Reply 45):
Neither DUB or BNE are single runway airports???

Because it pretty much is, due to the layout of the airfield it's difficult to use both runways all day, they can use both runways during the morning peak but it isn't otherwise practical, as the thresholds of 28 & 34 crossover. 16/34 is usually used as a taxiway to alleviate ground congestion by queuing aircraft bound for a 28 departure that use T1, leaving the actual main taxiway route to 28 free for movements from T2.

The new runway will allow truly unconstrained dual operations, within the bounds of locally imposed noise limits.

[Edited 2016-04-08 04:43:44]
 
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RE: DUB Announces 2nd Runway - The 3rd Runway Of LHR?

Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:44 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 45):

Neither is LGW if you want to clutch at straws
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RE: DUB Announces 2nd Runway - The 3rd Runway Of LHR?

Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:54 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 47):

Neither is LGW if you want to clutch at straws
LGW really is clutching at straws, the second runway cannot be used when the main runway is operational under any circumstances. It was always intended to be and remains a non-instrument, emergency standby runway only. It's otherwise nothing more than a taxiway.

[Edited 2016-04-08 04:55:45]
 
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RE: DUB Announces 2nd Runway - The 3rd Runway Of LHR?

Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:58 am

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 46):
Because it pretty much is, due to the layout of the airfield it's difficult to use both runways all day

Not at all, because....
Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 46):
they can use both runways during the morning peak



Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 47):

Neither is LGW if you want to clutch at straws

Exactly, and that's been another argument which is hardly clutching at straws. True single runway airports such as SAN and STN don't have that luxury.
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