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747 Question

Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:19 pm

Was there ever a time when 1000 frames were in service at one time ?
 
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RE: 747 Question

Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:15 am

I think this was certainly a possibility in the mid-to-late 1990s, but I'm not 100% certain if the actual number of in-service 747s reached 1000.
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:03 pm

I'm quite intrigued by this question and will try to do some research.
 
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:40 pm

Yes, around 1997.

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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:46 pm

Many years ago (in the 1970's) my father and I counted close to 25 747s at JFK. We estimated this was probably 10% of all 747s built at the time, but we had no real way of telling since Al Gore was still working on getting the Internet out to the masses. I'd still like to believe our guess was close. It would have been around 1978.

Any thoughts?

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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:17 pm

According to the 747 production list on Airfleets:

http://www.airfleets.net/listing/b747-1-lnasc.htm

Line number 250 had its first flight in November 1974. Over 300 had been produced by the start of 1978.
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:16 pm

Line number 1000 came in 1993. Taking into account that 744 production was high at this point, and retirements/write offs of older models, my guess is that between 1996-1999 is when there were 1000+in service.
 
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:34 am

Quoting Slcpilot (Reply 4):
Many years ago (in the 1970's) my father and I counted close to 25 747s at JFK. We estimated this was probably 10% of all 747s built at the time, but we had no real way of telling since Al Gore was still working on getting the Internet out to the masses. I'd still like to believe our guess was close. It would have been around 1978.

Any thoughts?

ISTR, that some time in the 1990s (?) it was said that a large percentage, well over 50%, of the world's 747s were on the ground at NRT at the same time.
 
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:14 am

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 7):

I wouldn't say half the fleet but certainly a lot. NH and JL had tons of them, then you had most of the international airlines using them. UA and NW also had them flying from the states and doing tag on flight into Asia.
 
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:39 am

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 7):

Hmm, am I miss understanding you. So you are saying there were 500 747's on the ground at NRT at once. Hmm.
 
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:42 am

Quoting rw774477 (Thread starter):
Was there ever a time when 1000 frames were in service at one time ?

Interesting question. The answer seems to be yes (see reply no. 3 and others).

What a pity and hard to realize for someone as stubborn as me: there used to be a time when 1,000 frames were operated at the same time and now we are celebrating each new order for the 747 like the moon landing...

I just had to check: yes, right now there are also 1,000 B777's in operation (which somehow explains my comment above...).
 
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:08 am

http://www.airfleets.net/listing/b747-1-lnasc.htm

If it wasn't a TWA first the Iranian AF didn't want it apparently. The only one I knew about was the tanker. I am pretty surprised on just how many 131 frames are listed as active or stored
 
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:13 am

Quoting Slcpilot (Reply 4):
my father and I counted close to 25 747s at JFK.

There was a thread here several years ago asking if every 747 ever built had been to JFK. The general consensus was that there may have been a few that hadn't paid a visit, but certainly the vast majority had been at some time in their lives.
 
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:41 pm

Yes. According to this article, http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...016-0419-GLOB&sfid=70120000000taAh the 1000 mark was hit around 1996-97, and dropped below 1000 in 2001.

Quoting rw774477 (Thread starter):

Was there ever a time when 1000 frames were in service at one time ?
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:43 pm

Quoting Slcpilot (Reply 4):
but we had no real way of telling since Al Gore was still working on getting the Internet out to the masses

LMAO....   
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RE: 747 Question

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:51 pm

Quoting Slcpilot (Reply 4):

Many years ago (in the 1970's) my father and I counted close to 25 747s at JFK. We estimated this was probably 10% of all 747s built at the time, but we had no real way of telling since Al Gore was still working on getting the Internet out to the masses. I'd still like to believe our guess was close. It would have been around 1978.

There were probably more when you consider TWA & PA each had huge 747 fleets and JFK was each airlines main hub for 747's. Then every European airline flew at least once daily by 747 to JFK and some like BA twice or thrice daily. Middle East airlines also had 747 there, EA AL and Saudia to name two. SAA also flew almost daily to JFK. Air India and Pakistan Air plus Iran Air. JFK was definitely 747 central at the time.
 
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RE: 747 Question

Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:49 pm

It is reported in 'British Airways Its History, Aircraft and Liveries' by Keith Gaskell (p. 44) that BA were operating 81 747s in May 1999.

The BA operational fleet could have been slightly larger than this in the preceding months. They had retired a significant number of 741s in September and October 1998. For example on one day alone, 31 October, the last day of the 1998 Summer Season, five BA 741s (GAWNE, 'NM, 'NP, G-BBPU, and 'NO in that order) all arrived at LHR on their final BA revenue flights. Balancing or nearly balancing these and other contemporaneous retirements were new deliveries of 744s from Boeing. BA received eight of these aircraft between November and the following May.

As at May 1999 BA had operated a total of 101 different 747s. This included lost frames (such as that destroyed at KWI by enemy action and four frames variously leased from EI, ME and SK.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
some like BA twice or thrice daily.

Yes. In the Summer of 1993 BA were operating three times daily LHR-JFK flights with 747s in addition to two Concorde flights. They also operated a daily LHR-EWR 747 flight at that time

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