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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:04 pm

Quoting n7371f (Reply 88):
DAL upper managers are aware the Bombardier order is going to happen.

Unless you qaualify as a Delta upper manager how come we haven't heard word one from any of them regarding the Bombardier order?
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:46 pm

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 96):
I also think the 339/359/789 is to large to completely replace the DL 767 fleet and we will see some 787-8/338 sized aircraft at some point.

I'd tend to agree, but imo the A338 has a better chance of procurement unless Boeing offers DL some fantastic deal on 788s.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:52 pm

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 99):
Unfortunately not. I'm in the middle of the mess.

I can't see any way Transport Canada certify a CS500 without repeating all of the analyses that go into certification reports from scratch (outside of clearing tests by FEM).


Which goes back to the original decision none of us can wrap our heads around; why do the 100 first?

Now, that sounds bad…
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:04 pm

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 91):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 73):

Agreed. If DL puts out RFPs and only one vendor always wins, that surely raises a red flag for collusion. Otherwise why put out an RFP at all?

What is it with you?
No that isn't collusion. Not even close to it. Just stop with this, you don't know what you are talking about. You are just biased and upset DL is ordering from anyone but Boeing.

I suspect that we wouldn't hear a peep out of him if the purchases were ALL Boeing.
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:14 pm

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 102):
Now, that sounds bad…

I should have made clear - thats for stress related reports only.

For instance - the fuel system is not expected to change significantly beyond engine feed requirements
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:08 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 101):
I'd tend to agree, but imo the A338 has a better chance of procurement unless Boeing offers DL some fantastic deal on 788s.

You mean like the fantastic deal DL inherited from NW, with launch pricing on a firm order of 18 788s, now slated for first delivery in 2020?

I really don't know why it's just such accepted conventional wisdom that that order doesn't exist.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:13 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 105):
You mean like the fantastic deal DL inherited from NW, with launch pricing on a firm order of 18 788s, now slated for first delivery in 2020? I really don't know why it's just such accepted conventional wisdom that that order doesn't exist.

Have firm delivery dates been agreed upon, or is this inherited/pushed back order still somewhat out there in the ether?? And can we presume the pricing NW got is still being honored given the delays??

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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:16 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 106):
Have firm delivery dates been agreed upon, or is this inherited/pushed back order still somewhat out there in the ether??

DL has firm slots between 2020 and 2022.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:20 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 107):
DL has firm slots between 2020 and 2022.

When I see a 788 painted in DL colours then I'll believe it's actually gonna happen!  
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:24 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 108):
When I see a 788 painted in DL colours then I'll believe it's actually gonna happen!

I think it's perfectly possible they'll end up as 78X or 789 instead, but I'm pretty convinced we'll see a DL 787 of some sort in 2020 or not too long thereafter.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:29 pm

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 55):
IMO Delta won't buy CSeries.

It would be a big break from historical trend would it not?

DL has been a BBD customer for years. Alot of the CRJs that are flying with the widget on the tail are DL owned

Quoting n7371f (Reply 88):
Embraer 190 is still on, despite rumors that Boeing is going to pull favorable leasing of ex-Air Canada 190's to DAL.

DAL plans to base the 190 in SEA. The 20 a/c may still be increased despite the impending Bombardier order.

I do not understand methodology to this.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:42 pm



Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 55):
It would be a big break from historical trend would it not?
Quoting INFINITI329 (Reply 110):
DL has been a BBD customer for years. Alot of the CRJs that are flying with the widget on the tail are DL owned

Yes but this would be the first for DL mainline service if that where the CS300 are headed.

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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:50 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 109):
I think it's perfectly possible they'll end up as 78X or 789 instead, but I'm pretty convinced we'll see a DL 787 of some sort in 2020 or not too long thereafter.

If I had to place a wager, it'd be on the 787-10. The A359 already covers where the 789 fits into the fleet.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:57 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 106):

Have firm delivery dates been agreed upon, or is this inherited/pushed back order still somewhat out there in the ether?? And can we presume the pricing NW got is still being honored given the delays??

of course we can. DL moved the 787s back impart because of all the issues Boeing was having at the time. IIRC NW was getting one or two of the first 5 frames. Also a few of the terrible teens.

Quoting INFINITI329 (Reply 110):

I do not understand methodology to this.

to which part? Adding the E90 or basing them in SEA?

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 111):

Yes but this would be the first for DL mainline service if that where the CS300 are headed.

That doesn't matter when it comes to the buying relationship between DL and BBD. Same people making the same deal it just happens that DL isn't going to be sub-leasing these planes on delivery.

Quoting flyabr (Reply 112):

If I had to place a wager, it'd be on the 787-10. The A359 already covers where the 789 fits into the fleet.

unless DL wants more of that size class and Boeing offers cheaper pricing/better slots.

the 789 would be a fine 767 replacement also.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:17 pm

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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:44 pm

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 113):
the 789 would be a fine 767 replacement also.

The 789 is likely too costly and too capable for what would be mainly TATL flying if it were to replace some 763s. Now as I say that I realize some airlines are flying 789s across the pond. However, DL seems more content to fly aircraft with capabilities more suited to the mission....ie A330CEOs and A330NEOs.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:55 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 115):
The 789 is likely too costly and too capable for what would be mainly TATL flying if it were to replace some 763s. Now as I say that I realize some airlines are flying 789s across the pond. However, DL seems more content to fly aircraft with capabilities more suited to the mission....ie A330CEOs and A330NEOs.

The A330Neo doesn't perform all that much better than the 787 on shorter routes, in fact I believe it is predicted to perform slightly worse. The OEW of the two will be very close. It is all about price and delivery times.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:00 pm

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 113):
DL moved the 787s back impart because of all the issues Boeing was having at the time. IIRC NW was getting one or two of the first 5 frames. Also a few of the terrible teens.

That was part of it and the other part was that DL needed the 787s for different reasons. NW needed a smaller aircraft to replace the 747 on a bunch of long routes stat. DL had plenty of smaller aircraft now but needed a 767 replacement in 2020 when the first batch of 767s hits 30.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:11 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 106):
Have firm delivery dates been agreed upon, or is this inherited/pushed back order still somewhat out there in the ether?

As seabosdca noted in Reply #107, Delta currently has 787 delivery positions between 2020 and 2022, though they could push them out farther.



Quoting flyabr (Reply 106):
And can we presume the pricing NW got is still being honored given the delays??

I am guessing that by now the original NW pricing is long gone and pricing will now be based off the current MSRP. Richard Anderson in that past has noted the 787 is an "expensive" airplane, which reinforces my belief this is the case because the MSRP when Northwest placed the order is tremendously less than it is now.


Quoting flyabr (Reply 115):
The 789 is likely too costly and too capable for what would be mainly TATL flying if it were to replace some 763s.

We know the 787-8's trip costs are significantly lower than the 767-300ERs based on statements made by current operators of both types. If the 787-9's trip costs are quite close to the 787-8's, then it may be worthwhile to choose the larger frame as it would offer additional revenue-generation opportunities. That being said, the A330-900 would also offer an up-gauge from the 767-300ER and where range is not an issue, could undercut the 787-9 on operating costs.



There is also the possibility Delta is waiting to find out what MoM entails, as it might be an option for 767-300ER replacement if Delta wants to go with more frequencies (spread the passenger numbers out over more options).

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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:15 pm

Quoting polot (Reply 116):
It is all about price and delivery times.

Well, if that's the case then we could just as easily see A359s purchased for TATL ops too!  
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:20 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 118):
There is also the possibility Delta is waiting to find out what MoM entails, as it might be an option for 767-300ER replacement if Delta wants to go with more frequencies (spread the passenger numbers out over more options).

That makes the most sense to me...
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:31 pm

Jon Ostrower now reporting it:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/bombardi...ta-1460664819?mod=wsj_nview_latest

Said to be 75 firm+50 options

[Edited 2016-04-14 13:34:06]
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:32 pm

Just out on WSJ: 75 firm orders + 50 options for the CSeries, model unspecified. Order to be firmed by the end of the month when approved at the board's meeting.

Bombardier Near Deal to Sell Up to 125 Jetliners to Delta

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Delta Air Lines Inc. is in the final stages of completing a deal to acquire up to 125 Bombardier Inc. CSeries jetliners in what would be a major victory for the struggling Canadian plane maker, according to three people familiar with the negotiations.

A final agreement between the Atlanta-based airline and Bombardier for 75 firm orders and options for 50 more is expected by the end of April when the carrier’s board meets to review the proposed deal, the people said.

Delta, which released its first-quarter earnings Thursday, is seeking to replace its aging fleet of single-aisle McDonnell Douglas MD-80 jets.

Delta and Bombardier didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:42 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 117):

That was part of it and the other part was that DL needed the 787s for different reasons. NW needed a smaller aircraft to replace the 747 on a bunch of long routes stat. DL had plenty of smaller aircraft now but needed a 767 replacement in 2020 when the first batch of 767s hits 30.

also true.
Plus DL was planning to keep the 747s around also.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 118):

I am guessing that by now the original NW pricing is long gone and pricing will now be based off the current MSRP. Richard Anderson in that past has noted the 787 is an "expensive" airplane, which reinforces my belief this is the case because the MSRP when Northwest placed the order is tremendously less than it is now.

My understanding by the expensive comments are more that they are overpriced for what DL would use them mostly for, i.e. 763 replacement.
DL doesn't need a 15 hour jet to replace a 11 hour jet. More importantly Boeing doesn't discount higher if you are only planning to fly ATL-STR with the jet vs LAX-MEL.

I believe he made the same comments about the 350 and both were aimed at getting a 330NEO done, IMO.

Quoting flyabr (Reply 119):

Well, if that's the case then we could just as easily see A359s purchased for TATL ops too!  

the 350s will see TATL flying.

If you look at the fleet DL doesn't send any type to just one area of the world. Like the 777 and 747 you will see some Europe flying at times.
same deal with the 339, they will see Asia flying.

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 122):
Just out on WSJ: 75 firm orders + 50 options for the CSeries, model unspecified. Order to be firmed by the end of the month when approved at the board's meeting.

weird that they are going with options.

DL under Richard stayed away from options outside of the original 737-900ER order which was a little more complicated due to the conversion of 737-800 options.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:53 pm

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 123):
weird that they are going with options.

DL under Richard stayed away from options outside of the original 737-900ER order which was a little more complicated due to the conversion of 737-800 options.

Could they be options reserved for a yet-to-be-announced CS500?

I guess we'll see at the end of the month after the board meeting. Coincidentally, Bombardier has organized a big shareholders event at the CSeries factory in Mirabel for the 29th, rumor was that the first production CS100 for Swiss was to be rollout at the event. They may use the event to announce that and the order by Delta.
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:58 pm

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 124):

Could they be options reserved for a yet-to-be-announced CS500?

highly highly unlikely

I think this will be C100/C300 only.

IMO BBD isn't remotely close to being in a place where they can start the C500. They need to get C100/C300 in the air and producing orders before they spend more money they don't have.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:12 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 118):
I am guessing that by now the original NW pricing is long gone and pricing will now be based off the current MSRP. Richard Anderson in that past has noted the 787 is an "expensive" airplane, which reinforces my belief this is the case because the MSRP when Northwest placed the order is tremendously less than it is now.

We've had this debate before, but I should just say for the record that I'm not convinced DL lost its launch pricing, or at least a major discount. Deferring the NW order to 2020 was a positive outcome for Boeing just as much as it was for DL, enabling Boeing to reduce everyone else's delivery delays. And DL has hung onto that 788 order ever since the deferral despite making multiple orders for other Boeing aircraft, into any of which it could have rolled the 788 order had it been so inclined. I find good pricing a compelling explanation for that choice.

I think Anderson's comments were referring to the pricing he was being offered on new 789 orders as part of the RFP that resulted in the A350/A330 order, not to the pricing on the existing 788 order. He wanted 50 airplanes, so would have had to pay full freight on 32 789s (or maybe 20+, if a few 77Ls had been included) even if he had converted the existing 18 788 slots to 789s. In comparison with the prices Airbus has been offering on 339s I'm sure that looked very expensive.

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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:23 pm

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 113):
to which part? Adding the E90 or basing them in SEA?

Both honestly. Why take on the E90s if you are committing to the CSeries family? Rather than pour money into the infrastructure for E190 either pay Boeing the penalties or work out another deal with them.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:35 pm

Quoting INFINITI329 (Reply 127):

Both honestly. Why take on the E90s if you are committing to the CSeries family? Rather than pour money into the infrastructure for E190 either pay Boeing the penalties or work out another deal with them.

Its not like DL is going to have to put a bunch of money into the e-jets.

They already do maintenance for some of the DCI fleet. Also have a CF34 shop in-house already (no -10 yet but I fully expect it to be an in-house engine). On top of all that, they are a good deal and availability is earlier than the C-series
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:37 pm

I would imagine that DL will eventually get the 787, but I was thinking it would be more helpful with Asia and Australia. The 788 will have the lower acquisition costs DL likes (even though Boeing reportedly isn't keen to sell 788s, surely they would rather sell that to DL instead of them getting an Airbus). UA and AA are using their 787s to open all sorts of new TPAC routes that DL could only put a (relatively) thirsty 777 on if they wanted to try. TPAC seems to be the weak spot in DL's network. A quick check of prices between DL and UA LAX-SYD shows almost the same price most days in both J and Y, so DL's arguably better product on the 777 doesn't seem to be commanding a premium to help offset the planes higher operating costs (and I doubt the 777's difference is less than its 15% greater seating capacity; nevermind the UA 787 has a lot more premium J and Y+ which might give it a yield advantage).
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:49 pm

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 123):
More importantly Boeing doesn't discount higher if you are only planning to fly ATL-STR with the jet vs LAX-MEL.

Huh? I presume you mean Boeing wants more money for a more capable air frame? DL could buy 748s to fly from ATL to CHA if they wished. That would have no bearing on the price paid!

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 123):
the 350s will see TATL flying.

Of course they will, but you well know they were bought primarily for TPAC ops!
 
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:08 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 131):

That article came out this morning, before the WSJ story about the CSeries. Not saying the CSeries order is accurate but the Yahoo article has no bearing on it.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:44 pm

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 122):
Just out on WSJ: 75 firm orders + 50 options for the CSeries, model unspecified. Order to be firmed by the end of the month when approved at the board's meetin

So close! This would change everything for the C-series.
I so hope!!!

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 128):
Its not like DL is going to have to put a bunch of money into the e-jets.

E-jets could be cheap enough to be transitional. DL needed more lift while waiting until the environment was right to buy. DL is unusually good at controlling costs of subfleets.

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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:15 pm

Why are there so many posts about DL's 787 in a thread about an upcoming narrow body order? Can we please keep the discussion on topic? It is difficult to find relevant information in this thread.
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:31 pm

Quoting gatibosgru (Reply 134):
Why are there so many posts about DL's 787 in a thread about an upcoming narrow body order? Can we please keep the discussion on topic? It is difficult to find relevant information in this thread.

If we kept strictly on topic on A.net, each post would be, at most, 5 posts long and extremely boring.
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:16 am

Quoting atlflyer (Reply 137):

Bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ries-jetliners?cmpid=yhoo.headline

"Delta Air Lines Inc. is nearing an agreement to buy 75 Bombardier Inc. C Series, a person familiar with the talks said, potentially handing the Canadian planemaker a resounding victory in its bid to turn around the struggling aircraft program.
The purchase also would include options for 50 more of the single-aisle jet to replace some of the oldest and smallest planes in Delta’s fleet, said the person, who asked not to be named because the talks are private."

Excellent! I hope this comes to fruition. The wording in the last part of that quote about "options for 50 more of the single-aisle jet to replace some of the oldest and smallest planes in Delta's fleet" could be read as a 75 CS300 order and option for 50 CS100?
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:22 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 138):

I'm also hearing that as part of the deal the E-190s go...
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:37 am

I always find it facinating when one news service breaks the news first based on "sources familar with the matter" then the other media outlets come flying in to report the same thing with a slightly different headline. Its all the same source i this news cycle this evening.

I'm still wondering if this is strictly going to be a C-Series order of if they are going to also go split order in this round and take some additional 738/739 or A320/A321s in this tranche.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:24 am

I think if DL is buying the Bombardier CS300 (which can seat 140 passengers in an all Economy configuration of 32" seat pitch), the order could be (in my opinion!) for 75 planes plus 50 options. They will be used to replace the aging MD-88 fleet.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:24 am

I posted this on another thread. I am speculating that Delta will loan the E190's that they listed as aircraft purchase commitments on their 12/31/2015 10K on favorable terms to Gol. They can then take some of the Gol 737-8s to relieve their obligations to lessors. As opposed to putting cold hard cash into Gol to support them this could be an indirect way to support Gol in what should be their prime objective: Cut Capacity ASAP in a weak Brazil economy.

Delta could add 20 or 30 737-800 from Gol to replace a portion of the MD-88 capacity they want to cut. Converting Gol 738 to Delta configurations and features and amenities will probably take at least 3-4 months at the beginning of the transition. The C Series speculated 75 aircraft firm order portion can fill in the lower capacity portion of the requirement but they would only start arriving 2 years out.
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:05 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 126):
We've had this debate before, but I should just say for the record that I'm not convinced DL lost its launch pricing, or at least a major discount. Deferring the NW order to 2020 was a positive outcome for Boeing just as much as it was for DL, enabling Boeing to reduce everyone else's delivery delays. And DL has hung onto that 788 order ever since the deferral despite making multiple orders for other Boeing aircraft, into any of which it could have rolled the 788 order had it been so inclined. I find good pricing a compelling explanation for that choice.

Exactly; I'm willing to bet that DL is going to pay original K prices. DL did Boeing a favor. The first jet due to DL was not only late, it had so many issues that it was never sold. Then you have the so-called terrible teens. All of this means DL could have forced new slots, further pushing back delays on other deliveries--plus damages for missing delivery deadline, etc. Even though a sale this involved usually limits liquidated damages, giving up slots for other Boeing customers is worth something. Even at >1% inflation, locking in old prices is a great deal for DL....they will take the jets....maybe even the 788 as its a great jet for long thin routes (think SEA to interior China).
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:27 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 81):
Quoting B757Forever (Reply 80):
Who knows, DL may end up with some cheap 738 aircraft from GOL...

That can not happen. GOL has ordered 737MAX and is therefor by definition a save customer, only A320 neo customers are dodgy.   

Well, Ed B explicitly said today that DL may "end up with" numerous aircraft that GOL may wish to sell.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:47 am

Can't wait to see the rendering of the C-series.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:20 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 144):
Well, Ed B explicitly said today that DL may "end up with" numerous aircraft that GOL may wish to sell.

You want to seriously imply that Boeing offered the 737MAX to a dodgy customer? The world will implode, all A.net myths will be shaken.   
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:34 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 146):
You want to seriously imply that Boeing offered the 737MAX to a dodgy customer? The world will implode, all A.net myths will be shaken.  

I'd respectfully ask that you stop this nonsense. It's immature and frankly getting a bit embarrassing to read. If you have a problem with a poster, PM them. Otherwise, stop these silly comments.

-Dave
-Dave


MAX’d out on MAX threads. If you are starting a thread, and it’s about the MAX - stop. There’s already a thread that covers it.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:31 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 147):
I'd respectfully ask that you stop this nonsense.

In the defense of mjoelnir it's a common saying by some here in A-net that Airbus sell their products to (more) dodgy customers, and Boeing does not. This is used as an explanation to the higher success of the A320NEO vs the MAX.
 
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RE: Delta To Place Narrowbody Order Part 2

Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:31 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 147):
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 146):
You want to seriously imply that Boeing offered the 737MAX to a dodgy customer? The world will implode, all A.net myths will be shaken.  

I'd respectfully ask that you stop this nonsense. It's immature and frankly getting a bit embarrassing to read. If you have a problem with a poster, PM them. Otherwise, stop these silly comments.

-Dave

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