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Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:18 am

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia’s first syariah-compliant airline, Rayani Air has suspended operations with immediate effect since yesterday as part of its restructuring plan.


http://english.astroawani.com/busine...ani-air-suspends-operations-101732


Hardly a surprise really - and a sign that people seek service rather than religion when flying. Strong competition from Air Asia and Malaysian doesn't help either.
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:40 am

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia’s first syariah-compliant airline, Rayani Air has suspended operations with immediate effect since yesterday as part of its restructuring plan.

What is the reason behind this? I know that the Malaysian CAA gave a time-line to sort out/address their (safety) problems - is this the reason?

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
Hardly a surprise really - and a sign that people seek service rather than religion when flying.

The next Malaysian "religion" airline will take over, WAQF AIRLINES: http://www.airriths.com/ !
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:13 pm

The airline was doomed to fail from the start. The current owners are actually the SECOND owners of the airline and they really hadn't thought about building a sustainable operation especially considering the age of their fleet. They expanded too fast and became a modern day Icarus.

Now they're becoming a punchline for some people to be used to mock Islam which pisses me off considering that the owner isn't even a Muslim.
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:18 pm

They flew too close to the Sun on wings of pastrami?

Could it be that there just is not enough of an audience for this type of service yet? Most will choose based on cost, only a handful will pick on other reasons--and that handful is probably not enough with Air Asia in the space. Without generating significant cash flow, operations slowly fail one-by-one.
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:51 pm

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 3):
They flew too close to the Sun on wings of pastrami

Pastrami is kosher. They served pork cutlets by mistake.
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:13 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
Hardly a surprise really - and a sign that people seek service rather than religion when flying. Strong competition from Air Asia and Malaysian doesn't help either.
Quoting hz747300 (Reply 3):
Could it be that there just is not enough of an audience for this type of service yet?

Perhaps this "syariah-compliant airline" would do better if relocated to an ISIL controlled area  

Seriously, this particular airline seemed destined to fail...
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:22 pm

Celebratory bacon sarnie anyone?
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:23 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 5):
Perhaps this "syariah-compliant airline" would do better if relocated to an ISIL controlled area  

Or Saudi-Arabia could work well too.

I wonder if this airline ever had commercials in TV, and if those had music in them? Or what about IFE or pre flight safety videos? Because apparently instrumental music is haram.
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:42 am

Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 2):
the owner isn't even a Muslim.

What is a non-muslim doing running a syariah-compliant airline. I can just see them making to many mistakes that would alienate their proposed clientele. Makes as much sense as a cattle rancher opening a chicken farm.

[Edited 2016-04-10 19:44:37]
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:52 am

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 8):

What is a non-muslim doing running a syariah-compliant airline. I can just see them making to many mistakes that would alienate their proposed clientele.

Just because he isn't Muslim doesn't mean there aren't Muslims working in management, and I'm sure this type of operation would have a CSO (Chief Sharia Officer) to make sure everything is being run 'properly'. I agree it probably isn't an ideal setup, but if I as a non-muslim thought I saw an opportunity to make money running Sharia Airlines, I'd take it.
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:21 am

What killed this was poor punctuality, poor frequencies and very well run competition. Air Asia is a very well run airline and has a domestic network in Malaysia that is the first choice of many due to frequency and all the components of value, including fare, punctuality and brand awareness.

Operating two clapped out 734's that resulted in terrible press, and flying them on many routes with low frequency was deemed to fail.

Let's see what fly Mojo does differently to keep just that! As for Malindo, being stuck offering a full service to secondary cities in India and China is a strange proposition.

Air Asia X's return to India has gone well with lots of transit to Australia so we will see what future they have.
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:00 am

I'm still waking up (currently in Europe) and I briefly read the airline as "Ryanair"   
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:22 am

Anyone want 2 old B737-400?.
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:49 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 1):
I know that the Malaysian CAA gave a time-line to sort out/address their (safety) problems

Safety problems? What could possibly go wrong when Allah himself looks over the airline.
He wouldn't let a bunch of good muslims down, would he?

 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:39 am

"Rayani Air suspends operations".......that's what you get when you scroll too quick:

I read "Ryanair suspends operations".

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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:00 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 12):

Delta   
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:29 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 13):
Safety

Operational intregity problems.
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:17 am

Big question:
Were the pilots paid their March salaries on time?

For someone who comes from a neighbouring country where airlines used to come and go...
- Claiming sabotage; then
- Blaming pilot strike; then
- Suspending operations pending restructuring

Usually means:
Total utter lies... when they say these things in combo or on quick successions, it's a cover up (denial) for "running out of cash"... Seen it all before...

This airline was doomed from the start, the religious thing was just a marketing gimmick that probably made the closure happen sooner.
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:53 am

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 17):

Let's be frank: Small, undercapitalized airlines kick the bucket almost every other day - sharia or no sharia.
And of course companies on the brink of disaster lie and come up with conspiracy theories - airlines, banks, whatsoever.
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:56 am

Religious racism is not a good concept I would say.
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:18 pm

Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 18):
Let's be frank: Small, undercapitalized airlines kick the bucket almost every other day - sharia or no sharia.

Indeed. This one really had no concept other than the sharia gimmick. It was doomed from day one... And when they got obsessed with the gimmick, they wouldn't last long. Last time a startup died after an overdose of it's own jargons and gimmicks was Indonesia's Pacific Royale...

On the subject of "religious airline", I once was asked to come up with a concept for one such case in Indonesia... but rather than being an Islamic one, it was a Christian one (Lutheran, to be exact)... Am no fan of mixing religion with business, but got the concept finalized, only to have the shareholders end up fighting one another with regards to "how much religion" should be in the airline... And then a few years later, had another similar request, by a Lutheran or a Calvinist (never found that one out)... only that the religious talk was overwhelming while actual promised funds never came...

I guess that's where my immediate skepticism on Rayani Air came from...   

Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 18):
And of course companies on the brink of disaster lie and come up with conspiracy theories - airlines, banks, whatsoever.

Yeaps... we've seen it all before! Usually the stronger they deny things like reposession, unpaid staff walkouts, etc, the closer the end is...
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:37 pm

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 20):
I guess that's where my immediate skepticism on Rayani Air came from...

Well, Muhamed did not fly, and modern technology is often very suspect to very religious people.
Although niches can be very profitable, this one might not be a good idea. Then, you can go to far in marketing and shy away other people.
And i would not really like to fly with a crew that observes Ramadan.
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:37 am

Attempted to fly this lot just recently. They made it very difficult to do so. Flights seemed empty, prices were good. Then when it got to three days before departure the flight would disappear. Let this happen three times and then I gave up. Schedules were also miserable. Was interested in trying them just for the experience but it doesn't always work out.
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:18 am

Sitting forlorn today in KUL T2

http://i64.tinypic.com/2unva1g.jpg

The logo looks 80's
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:14 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 23):
The logo looks 80's

That would still be more modern than some of the airlines targeted clientele    

Seriously, I actually like the look of the livery - especially the painted engines. The only thing that I'd change is to move the Arabic and 'RAYANI AIR' wording more forward and use slightly smaller font.   

Having said that, it looks like they just painted the red stripe on the side of the MH 737 green, darkened the lower blue stripe, painted the grey engines green, and then just changed the wording and tail - quite smart!

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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:42 am

The 'let's fly' looks terrible too

Cheat line reminds me of the older iraq airlines logo
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:52 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 24):
Having said that, it looks like they just painted the red stripe on the side of the MH 737 green, darkened the lower blue stripe, painted the grey engines green, and then just changed the wording and tail - quite smart!

When I first saw it, I thought it was a warped MH photo... but then....
The colour scheme spelled disaster too...
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:24 am

Quoting 1g (Reply 15):
Delta   

Or AS   

Quoting na (Reply 19):
Religious racism

na I respect you a lot and I find your reports awesome, but please do we need the term religious racism? I am a Catholic but I someone dared to make Jesus Airlines, Id be the first to go to hell for mocking such an idea...

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 20):
Am no fan of mixing religion with business

  

Recipe for disaster...

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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:45 am

As the aircraft are ex MH, that's probably what they did do to their livery.

I hope all salaries were paid and fares returned and this doesn't turn out to be a messy affair. Saying that, Malaysian booking patterns are last minute. Their cash flow was probably terrible.
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:32 am

The livery looks ok I think the 2 shades of green go nicely together, I don't think they would really have the business for this airline to work.
Malaysia is a Islamic country but also there are bars and clubs and a vibrant night life and live music, things that go against
everything Islamic. The whole population does not follow strict Islamic law in Malaya, so not a lot of the population
would have wanted to fly on this airline based on strict religious law.
 
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:25 am

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 26):
The colour scheme spelled disaster too...

After taking another look the green does seem a bit bright.

Some kind of hybrid using shades similar to those on the old Air NZ (DC-10) livery and those on the old / new Eastern livery might work better  
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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:48 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 23):

Does supporting equipment need to have a religious slant as well?.
This is the first time I ever seen (live or pic) a green mobile staircase other than military.
It's moot, but I guess IF the airliner were to ever grow big enough to have its own terminal, the whole building would be painted green.

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RE: Rayani Air Suspends Operations.

Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:09 am

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 27):
na I respect you a lot and I find your reports awesome, but please do we need the term religious racism? I am a Catholic but I someone dared to make Jesus Airlines, Id be the first to go to hell for mocking such an idea...

So, apart from the Lutheran and Calvinist startup wannabes in Indonesia, I also heard of a Catholic startup wannabe, and then someone from the archdiocese of Jakarta said no and the idea evaporated.   

Anyways... it has now made the news that the reason why Rayani Air stopped operating is because March's salaries have not been paid! How predictable, accusing a strike while hiding the fact they haven't paid salaries... I guess the owner took notes from how Indonesians cover up their airline bankruptcies...   
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