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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:06 pm

Yes - I've seen that flight many times, and it's all sunburnt Finns on their way home to Helsinki.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 49):
Would not be surprised if the flight is mostly filled with East Asian traffic. No way. That flight is full of vacationing Finns. You average number of people traveling to Asia on that flight is between 0 and 5.

No. No airline will start a flight just to help Miami fill vacant real estate that's anyways going to sink as the city sinks.

Quoting thomacf (Reply 48):






Miami needs this Asian service fast. It's been all over South Florida news. The main reason REAL ESTATE and that's all. The market is over supplied again and many projects are already being cancelled or scaled down. Latin American buyers have dried up with the state of their economies, the Russian market as well with the crash of the ruble and developers want cash buyers that will put down 30%-50% before they break ground. The weak dollar isn't helping either so it's hurting buyers from the EU as well. American's buy real estate differently and borrow more which is not what developers are looking for. The NYC market which is the largest US purchaser of Miami real estate can't assume all the supply and these folks are looking longer term for a second residents, not an investment property that they can flip or simply rent like many foreign owners. Latin American buyers are also now discovering other parts of Florida like FLL and Palm Beach which isn't helping matters. Miami needs to attract a larger market and that is the far East. Plain and simple. If you're not familiar with the E5 program, its another way Miami developers are trying to tap the Chinese market to drive development and this program is challenged by those needing to travel back/forth to China. There is also talk of Miami needing to develop a Chinatown district which it lacks.

They need a large population with people that will pay cash and it's the only market really outside of the Middle East that fits this profile. Yes the economy of China is not great, but there is still a large growing middle class that has been buying real estate on the West Coast of the US and Vancouver for quite some time. Miami wants this and knows it has been missing out. The city is becoming desperate for these flights with talks of another real estate bubble potentially bursting soon...
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:15 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 39):
Broward has the largest Asian community in Florida, followed by Orange.

But I think we know that, at least in terms of the VFR traffic, which county has the largest Asian population isn't really relevant. A better measure is urban area, region, MSA, or CSA.

The Miami/Fort Lauderdale CSA (which extends from Homestead all the way to Port St. Lucie technically has the most Asians by CSA. However Central Florida, which is the Tampa and Orlando MSA's put together has more Asians than all of South Florida.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:58 pm

No real surprise. I still contend that at some point, as markets continue to develop and particularly if/when trade linkages continue to grow between East Asia and Latin America, a nonstop MIA-Asia link would make sense. From a purely network connectivity standpoint, I still say the best fit is an AA or JAL 787 MIA-NRT. That being said, I also totally get that at the moment the market can be amply served by numerous 1-stop connections over various U.S. hubs.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:05 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
But Miami is not a huge business hub for finance and engineering. It's a huge tourism hub and also a hub for medical services for the large retired population there.

Ugh I try to avoid these MIA threads but when I read crap like this, it just really gets me going. Simple thing is, it's not 1960 anymore. Miami has emerged as a financial capital, and while tourism is certainly a large industry in South Florida, it is not the dominate industry anymore and your point about retired peoples is much more applicable to West Palm Beach and Ft.Meyers then Miami.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 6):
MIA Asia Task Force is like if Fairbanks opened an African task force, or Maine opened an Australian task force.

Yeah a major American city and metro area of 6 million + people is comparable to Fairbanks and Maine, great analogy.

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 50):
help Miami fill vacant real estate that's anyways going to sink as the city sinks

Whatever you want to say, the luxury condo market recently filled up, and all those condos that where empty in the 2008 financial crisis have been filled up and the most recent condo boom is ongoing. Your comments on climate change are just ignorant, I'm sure you wouldn't make the same argument for Osaka, Nagoya, Shanghai, New York, Hong Kong or any of the other dozens of major metro areas that are at risk of flooding.

Everyone is so quick to state their point but nobody does the actual research into what's going on, but please continue with your assumptions about South Florida and just ignore the economic reality. Because apparently flights to Asia can only be sustained through VFR traffic and Miamah Beach is hosting the Gore-Buckley debates on ABC tonight.

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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:22 pm

Quoting thomacf (Reply 48):
Miami needs this Asian service fast. It's been all over South Florida news. The main reason REAL ESTATE and that's all. The market is over supplied again and many projects are already being cancelled or scaled down.

Wow. Um, yeah, that sounds sustainable. Not.

Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 31):
Would MIA be able to offer some other Central/South American/Mexico destinations to/from Asia

Sure, but in the AA network, that can already be done more efficiently via DFW for all of Central America & Mexico, as well as markets like LIM/SCL/GYE/UIO. From GIG/GRU to pretty much everywhere in Asia apart from Japan, it's faster to go east and using the ME3 hubs avoids needing a visa to transit the U.S.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:24 pm

While AA today is not pushing Miami to Asia the days of DFW and LAX being the priority are soon over. DFW has 6 flights daily to Asia with everything from NRT to the PRC and Hong Kong. LAX will soon be filed in nicely too with Sydney and Auckland in Oceania plus HKG, NRT, HND and PVG. I would not call an LAX to Seoul or Taipei flight a need as the flag airlines from those countries have so many flights to LAX you would think you were at ICN or TPE sometimes.

JFK to Tokyo may restart if AA gets a HND slot. IN Chicago AA is always behind UA with its huge Pacific system, AA has 3 Asian flights from ORD. Now its MIA's turn, AA needs Asia and Miami needs AA to do it. PHL and CLT are unlikely right now to be on AA's Asian horizon.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:31 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 55):
IN Chicago AA is always behind UA with its huge Pacific system, AA has 3 Asian flights from ORD.

ORD is not THAT much different - AA services 3 airports NRT PEK PVG and UA only adds 1 more : HKG.

From the midwest, the real juggernaut is DTW.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:42 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 51):
The Miami/Fort Lauderdale CSA (which extends from Homestead all the way to Port St. Lucie technically has the most Asians by CSA. However Central Florida, which is the Tampa and Orlando MSA's put together has more Asians than all of South Florida.

The CSA is probably the worst measurement of an airport catchment. The Miami/Ft Lauderdale/Port St Lucie CSA includes 3 counties (Port St. Lucie, Okeechobee, and Indian River) where PBI and MCO split catchment for competitive destinations and MCO, not MIA, will get non-competitive and international. This includes the MCO as the choice of departure airport even if the flight connects in MIA. The Chicago/Naperville CSA had 3 airports on it's borders.

An MSA is still poor in many cases but a lot better than CSA in all cases. In your case for Asians, if those three counties have a small but significant percent of what you are counting (10-20%) but are counted in a MIA catchment and not at MCO you will be overestimating support at MIA and underestimating at MCO.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:44 pm

The Finnair timetable to MiA has been changed in order to allow better connections for the Far East. The demographics of the flight are bound to change considering the new schedule of the flight. HEL is the quickest way to get to Asia nonstop that makes travelers avoid transferring to the big US hubs.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:56 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 58):

The Finnair timetable to MiA has been changed in order to allow better connections for the Far East. The demographics of the flight are bound to change considering the new schedule of the flight. HEL is the quickest way to get to Asia nonstop that makes travelers avoid transferring to the big US hubs.

Surprisingly, both TK and QR are not well-timed for many connections. I tested MIA-PEK :

Shortest AC+CA via YUL 18:00
any option via EWR DTW ORD 18-19 hours
Finnair 20:25 (faster than any one of BA AF LH LX, which are 22-24 hours)

QR 30:35
TK 30:55
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:19 pm

No. Cheap traffic to Asia over Finland wont be what Finnair is after. They'd rather go after the local o/d traffic between Miami and Finland, in support of the large Finnish population in the Miami area. Theyer may be some connectivity, but that wont be their primary target.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 58):
The Finnair timetable to MiA has been changed in order to allow better connections for the Far East. The demographics of the flight are bound to change considering the new schedule of the flight. HEL is the quickest way to get to Asia nonstop that makes travelers avoid transferring to the big US hubs.

??? AA has Asia and is developing Asia through its other hubs. AA needs to get those other hubs working first. There's no reason for AA to do Asia from Miami, and they've kind of already said that in the article. MIA is not well-suited geographically for an Asia flight, and AA's other hubs, particularly DFW, already serve or will serve the most important Latin America - Asia traffic flows.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 55):
While AA today is not pushing Miami to Asia the days of DFW and LAX being the priority are soon over. DFW has 6 flights daily to Asia with everything from NRT to the PRC and Hong Kong. LAX will soon be filed in nicely too with Sydney and Auckland in Oceania plus HKG, NRT, HND and PVG. I would not call an LAX to Seoul or Taipei flight a need as the flag airlines from those countries have so many flights to LAX you would think you were at ICN or TPE sometimes.

JFK to Tokyo may restart if AA gets a HND slot. IN Chicago AA is always behind UA with its huge Pacific system, AA has 3 Asian flights from ORD. Now its MIA's turn, AA needs Asia and Miami needs AA to do it. PHL and CLT are unlikely right now to be on AA's Asian horizon.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:43 pm

Quoting thomacf (Reply 48):
Miami needs this Asian service fast. It's been all over South Florida news. The main reason REAL ESTATE and that's all.

And having nonstop service to Asia versus slightly longer one-stop service will swoop in and save the day? That's ridiculous, and Miami is screwed if that's what they're banking on, which I doubt is the case.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:45 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 58):
The Finnair timetable to MiA has been changed in order to allow better connections for the Far East. The demographics of the flight are bound to change considering the new schedule of the flight. HEL is the quickest way to get to Asia nonstop that makes travelers avoid transferring to the big US hubs.

No sir. AY will always be for vacationing Finns and not for Asians traveling to Miami.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:46 pm

Quoting thomacf (Reply 48):
The weak dollar

You mean the strong dollar. Strong dollar hurts real estate investment.

Quoting thomacf (Reply 48):

Miami needs this Asian service fast.

Miami does not "need" it, it just wants it. If someone is going to spend millions in some investment real estate they can always take a flight to ORD, ATL, JFK, LAX, IAH etc.. and connect. Sure it would help the business connection, but its not the end all be all. Swire is completing a one billion dollar project here, without any direct flights to Hong Kong. Its not needed, its just wanted. This real estate cycle is coming to an end anyway, and a flight to Asia is not going to save it.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:52 pm

I've been saying for a while now, Miami's first Asian connection will be a Chinese airline. Miami-China is booming, Beijing will probably be Miami's largest Asia O&D market any year now, if not already, and Chinese airlines are showing they are willing to serve secondary markets, whether it be from secondary Chinese cities to Paris, Rome, LA, etc., or from primary Chinese cities to the likes of Montreal, Minsk, Calgary and Havana.

Air China can easily fill 3-4 flights a week to Beijing.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:01 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64):
Air China can easily fill 3-4 flights a week to Beijing.

But are they interested?
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:02 pm

What's the current PDEW on Beijing - Miami, what are the current yields, and how has that grown over the last few years?

Plenty of ways to get from Beijing to Miami. Or from China in general to Miami.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64):






I've been saying for a while now, Miami's first Asian connection will be a Chinese airline. Miami-China is booming, Beijing will probably be Miami's largest Asia O&D market any year now, if not already, and Chinese airlines are showing they are willing to serve secondary markets, whether it be from secondary Chinese cities to Paris, Rome, LA, etc., or from primary Chinese cities to the likes of Montreal, Minsk, Calgary and Havana.

Air China can easily fill 3-4 flights a week to Beijing.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:05 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64):

I've been saying for a while now, Miami's first Asian connection will be a Chinese airline.

Pretty sure you'd said MIA-NRT would come before all else, but whatever.

It is interesting to note that a lot of AA's organic growth at MIA recently has had mixed results. FRA was dropped. ASU was dropped. MXP is not served daily. Let's not mention the withdrawal from Brasilian markets.

It's quite possible that AA has missed the boat in terms of additional long-haul growth from Miami, so the focus will remain on LAX for now.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:17 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 67):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64):

I've been saying for a while now, Miami's first Asian connection will be a Chinese airline.

Pretty sure you'd said MIA-NRT would come before all else, but whatever.

No, I've been saying MIA-PEK for a while now. If AA were to enter Miami-Asia, it would be to Tokyo and nowhere else.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 67):
It is interesting to note that a lot of AA's organic growth at MIA recently has had mixed results. FRA was dropped. ASU was dropped. MXP is not served daily. Let's not mention the withdrawal from Brasilian markets.
MXP is served daily the majority of the year, including the entire summer timetable. Miami-Europe is always going to be tough for AA because the traffic is heavily Europe-originating, so it's no surprise Frankfurt didn't work out. There really isn't much in the way for AA to grow that market outside of maybe Rome and Zurich.

And I think we all know why the Brazil flying is dropping left and right. It has nothing to do with AA's MIA hub and everything to do with a collapsing economy.

There really isn't much AA can do to grow long-haul from Miami right now until Brazil recovers. Luckily Argentina is starting to turn around in a good way.

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Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:23 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 67):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64):

I've been saying for a while now, Miami's first Asian connection will be a Chinese airline.

Pretty sure you'd said MIA-NRT would come before all else, but whatever.

Mr. MAH has been advocating for MIA-NRT since 2002, if not earlier :

www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-air...sed-posting/151531-aa-mia-nrt.html

www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/952952

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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:13 pm

Americans focus out of Miami should be South America, Caribbean, and Southern Europe. You need to flight to LAX for your trip west.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:31 pm

the PDEW numbers from MIA/FLL/PBI - TOTAL to PEK is fewer than 30. That's not enough for a nonstop flight. Fare is less than $800
Not the makings of a great market.
PBI/MIA/FLL to MNL is less than 40, with a fare barely above $600.

If you think that either one is enough to convince an airline to do a nonstop flight, you're incorrect.

The market is WELL SERVED by the multiple connection opportunities available today.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 68):
No, I've been saying MIA-PEK for a while now. If AA were to enter Miami-Asia, it would be to Tokyo and nowhere else.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:42 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64):
I've been saying for a while now, Miami's first Asian connection will be a Chinese airline. Miami-China is booming, Beijing will probably be Miami's largest Asia O&D market any year now, if not already, and Chinese airlines are showing they are willing to serve secondary markets, whether it be from secondary Chinese cities to Paris, Rome, LA, etc., or from primary Chinese cities to the likes of Montreal, Minsk, Calgary and Havana.

Air China can easily fill 3-4 flights a week to Beijing.

You're absolutely correct until the last sentence. Air China isn't interested in second tier routes (incidentally, with the exception of GVA). This is quite clearly a Hainan route, an airline that has made its bones exploiting routes that the state-owned airlines, which get preference on any route allocation, don't want to touch. They've got better configured aircraft, and a knack for making routes likes Brussels, St Petersubrg, and Boston work. PEK-MIA is Hainan or bust.
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:42 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 9):
MIA-Asia didn't really make much sense anyway, to be honest.

MCO also makes no sense but they at least have a case with almost double the o&d to NRT and can boost o&d quickly with a non-stop or tour operator. I still dont think MCO makes sense either. So many places to connect on the way, a place to stretch your legs would be welcomed my most leisure passengers on such a long route.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:19 pm

Why is QR doing so well in MIA? That is an Asian carrier.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:28 pm

well, it's not East Asia, the location that's espoused for years.

QR serves india, middle east, parts in east Africa, Pakistan, sri lanka, southeast Asia. Plus of course the famous Manila.

Very different than the PEK/PVG/NRT/ICN that has been talked about. And most people categorize QR as a Middle East carrier, not in the same league as the CX/NH/JL/ etc etc etc that they're trying to lure.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 74):
Why is QR doing so well in MIA? That is an Asian carrier.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:35 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 75):

Very different than the PEK/PVG/NRT/ICN that has been talked about. And most people categorize QR as a Middle East carrier, not in the same league as the CX/NH/JL/ etc etc etc that they're trying to lure.

Many are not well-timed on QR at all. I tested Miami to HKG, PEK, PVG, NRT, ICN, SIN on QR, SIN is the shortest connection at 3:05. The rest are painfully uncompetitive :

PEK 8:50
ICN 8:50
NRT 9:05
HKG 9:10
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:49 pm

that's the point. QR is not serving those markets or really trying to at all with their MIA service. Hence it's not an "Asian" carrier.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 76):
Many are not well-timed on QR at all. I tested Miami to HKG, PEK, PVG, NRT, ICN, SIN on QR, SIN is the shortest connection at 3:05. The rest are painfully uncompetitive :

PEK 8:50
ICN 8:50
NRT 9:05
HKG 9:10
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:15 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 77):

Far easier to just connect at LAX or SFO.

Heck, DTW or DFW too.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:37 pm

The 2002 thread quoted said that JAL flew MIA-ANC-NRT


.....so MIA has already had a Far East carrier.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:44 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 79):
JAL flew MIA-ANC-NRT

Yeah. They flew NRT-ANC-MIA-GRU.
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:46 pm

that was cargo, not passenger.

Quoting Miami (Reply 80):
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 79):JAL flew MIA-ANC-NRT
Yeah. They flew NRT-ANC-MIA-GRU.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:57 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 81):
that was cargo, not passenger.

Indeed.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:13 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 74):

Middle East, India and South East Asia (the Phillippines)
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:20 pm

Taking MIA-MNL case. Although QR is 1 less stop, it's quite a bit further of flying :

MIA-MNL nonstop 9314mi
DL 2 stop via ATL+NRT 9338mi, +0.3%
QR 1 stop via DOH 12211mi, +31.1%

If you're flying economy, that's like 2900mi fewer miles to deal with the uncomfortable seat. A 2 stop solution isn't so bad after all.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:24 pm

An article from 2014 said this:

Quote:
It is believed that PAL is also currently considering the possibility of a new service to Miami via Vancouver or Toronto.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:52 am

It should be noted that MIA has been pushing hard for a flight to TPE.

Here's an article: http://www.miamitodaynews.com/2015/0...in-talks-for-direct-miami-flights/
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Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:34 am

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 81):

that was cargo, not passenger.

Quoting Miami (Reply 80):
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 79):JAL flew MIA-ANC-NRT
Yeah. They flew NRT-ANC-MIA-GRU.


No, it was passenger, but no local passenger traffic rights, purely a fuel stop.
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Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:47 am

No. It was cargo.

I worked for JAL then. GRU was served on a nrt-jfk-gru routing by that year. ANC was always for cargo.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 87):

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 81):

that was cargo, not passenger.

Quoting Miami (Reply 80):
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 79):JAL flew MIA-ANC-NRT
Yeah. They flew NRT-ANC-MIA-GRU.


No, it was passenger, but no local passenger traffic rights, purely a fuel stop.


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Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:22 am

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 88):
No. It was cargo.

JAL flew passenger service to MIA as a fuel stop in the early 1980s. It launched in 1981 NRT-ANC-MIA-SAO with a DC8. It lasted for a few years, at one point using an LAX-based DC8 via LAX. JFKSAO didn't launch until the mid-1980s.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:36 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 35):
At the end of the day, MIA has a great location for some routes but Asia is not in its sweet spot.

I would disagree with this. MIA is in a pretty good location for East Asia-Latin America connections. Unfortunately for MIA, so is DFW and it appears to me that AA has made the decision in favor of DFW.
I would not be shocked to see a Chinese carrier announce a route to MIA within the next 12 months.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:16 pm

CX said they're considering MIA, and to even make it as a transit station to South America.
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Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:20 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 91):
CX said they're considering MIA, and to even make it as a transit station to South America.

With what routing and what plane ? HKG-MIA nonstop is 8990mi. I don't think HKG-XYZ-MIA-GRU would be good for CX at all other than bleeding through the nose.

CX doesn't have 77L / 345 and hasn't ordered 777-8 / 359LR, so I'm really curious as to what they'll fly the nonstop with.
 
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Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:23 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 92):
CX doesn't have 77L / 345 and hasn't ordered 777-8 / 359LR, so I'm really curious as to what they'll fly the nonstop with.

An A350-1000, which CX has ordered, will be able to do it non-stop if CX was so inclined.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:29 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 92):
With what routing and what plane ?

Good question but I'm not sure (Maybe the A350-1000?). If anything, they'll just forget about continuing onward to South America and just do HKG-XYZ-MIA.


After all, their partner AA can help them with the passenger wanting to head South.

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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:52 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 93):

An A350-1000, which CX has ordered, will be able to do it non-stop if CX was so inclined.

That's REALLY stretching it, with substantial payload penalties .... and you need to subtract some range out of the published figures for the eastbound leg. This flight is a good 400+ mi longer than the longest currently operating nonstop of a A380 (if we very generously assume that Airbus would make the A35K fly the same range - after factoring headwinds, I think the A35K is currently spec'ed as a ground distance 8300-8600mi frame at typical payloads)

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After all, their partner AA can help them with the passenger wanting to head South.

That's my point. AA and LATAM both have tons of services from MIA to all over Lat Am region, making a CX tag highly redundant.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:37 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 95):
That's REALLY stretching it, with substantial payload penalties

Again, it could be via a Canadian city, which in my mind makes the most sense.


Oh and why are we stuck on HKG-MIA? There's plenty more opportunities. Although, the majority of cities/airlines mentioned in the OP don't make sense.
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Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:42 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 89):
Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 88):
No. It was cargo.

JAL flew passenger service to MIA as a fuel stop in the early 1980s. It launched in 1981 NRT-ANC-MIA-SAO with a DC8. It lasted for a few years, at one point using an LAX-based DC8 via LAX. JFKSAO didn't launch until the mid-1980s.

It would have used VCP in the early 1980s as GRU didn't yet exist, and I believe it continued to GIG which was the primary hub for all longhaul carriers serving Brazil then.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:47 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 96):

We are not stuck on HKG at all, but since you brought up CX so we are just discussing the feasibility of that.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:57 am

Yes indeed JAL did serve Miami with the DC-8 on various routings such as NRT-ANC-MIA-VCP, NRT-LAX-MIA-VCP, NRT-ANC-MIA-GIG


This is covered in many previous threads
? About JAL DC-8-62'S (by SILVERSTREAK Jul 12 2004 in Civil Aviation)
JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's? (by 747400sp May 26 2006 in Civil Aviation)
JAL Routes In The '60s (by Pa747sp Feb 10 2008 in Civil Aviation)
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