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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:33 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 96):
Although, the majority of cities/airlines mentioned in the OP don't make sense.

I think I'd probably argue that given a carrier has yet to launch nonstop or even tagged Asia-MIA service even in this expansion that no city or airline combination makes sense.
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:25 pm

Fair enough, I'm wrong, thank you for showing this.

That said, those flights haven't come back, and they haven't come back for a reason.

It'll be interesting to see if something develops.

Another poster (who shall remain nameless) for years said that MIA-NRT would be "any day". Well, it's not. That poster
now says it's going to be something else. Remains to be seen.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 99):






Yes indeed JAL did serve Miami with the DC-8 on various routings such as NRT-ANC-MIA-VCP, NRT-LAX-MIA-VCP, NRT-ANC-MIA-GIG


This is covered in many previous threads
? About JAL DC-8-62'S (by SILVERSTREAK Jul 12 2004 in Civil Aviation)
JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's? (by 747400sp May 26 2006 in Civil Aviation)
JAL Routes In The '60s (by Pa747sp Feb 10 2008 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:02 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 101):

Fair enough, I'm wrong, thank you for showing this.

That said, those flights haven't come back, and they haven't come back for a reason.

Haven't come back to what? JAL never operated to MIA for anything more than fuel stop. No local passengers were ever picked up/dropped off.

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 101):
Another poster (who shall remain nameless) for years said that MIA-NRT would be "any day". Well, it's not. That poster
now says it's going to be something else. Remains to be seen.

You don't have to keep me nameless. I have changed my opinion, based on the current market and the aggressive expansion of Chinese carriers, that a Chinese airline, not a link to Tokyo, is the most likely first Miami-Asia link.

People used to laugh at the idea of Miami have an ME3 carrier for the longest time, but here we are.
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Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:42 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 100):

Well, tell me if this isn't appealing.

Hong Kong:

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MIA and air service consultant’s joint feasibility study supports daily roundtrip passenger frequencies on 777-300ER aircraft via stopover/technical stop market with local traffic rights for operating carrier. Estimated annual Hong Kong-Miami traffic at 144,000 passengers. Florida now has over 265,000 residents of Asian heritage. Asia-Miami O&D passenger traffic at nearly 350,000 annual passengers. Miami offers the best connecting opportunities for the Hong Kong-Latin America/Caribbean travelers now at over 100,000 passengers annually.

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Korea-Florida origin/destination (O&D) passenger traffic estimated at 38,000 passengers annually with overall passenger flows at 71,000 to 76,000 annually.

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Japan-Florida O&D passenger traffic ranges between 118,000 and 143,000 annual passengers with 163,000 to 205,000 overall passengers. Miami offers the most opportunities for connections to Brazil and all of Latin American/Caribbean markets for Tokyo’s 325,000 annual O&D traffic travelling to/from Latin America and the Caribbean.

Note: The numbers are old and have increased.


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Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:58 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 103):
Well, tell me if this isn't appealing.

Florida is a large and important enough state that, even though it is just about the last place people from Asia would go (and vice versa), there is still a good deal of traffic. A perfect way to serve all of it that pops into my head is Atlanta. Next, Detroit. Next, Dallas. Next, Chicago. This gives people 1-stops from every major Florida market to the top ~5 Asia destinations. A Miami to Asia flight cannot do that and would provide lower value compared to existing services, with the single exception of the local O&D between Miami and the Asian city. Miami can't outrun that it is in a bad location to transfer anybody for domestic.
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:35 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 103):
Well, tell me if this isn't appealing.

Those figures are grossly outdated. The market between Florida and Asia is much larger now. There's no sense in quoting those old numbers.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:37 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 105):
Those figures are grossly outdated. The market between Florida and Asia is much larger now. There's no sense in quoting those old numbers.

Which is why I said those numbers are old. Just giving an idea.
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Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:45 pm

That study listed 5 destinations they wanted - BRU HEL DUB CPT HKG. 3 hasn't seen daylight, 1 is flown by an inclusive tour operator, and only 1 (HEL) flown by a FSC within a JV framework.
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:30 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 103):
Well, tell me if this isn't appealing.

Oh I'm well aware of what the numbers say with respect to the O&D volumes, but that really doesn't speak to whether or not an ultra-long haul or a tag is appealing between the two points. I could bring out all kinds of numbers that show the monumental market sizes of passengers between the US and SIN or BKK - places that could be either served nonstop with a hefty weight restriction or via a tag. Would those numbers make such a weight restricted or tagged flight appealing? Most likely not, given they've been tried and failed numerous times. In some ways the same applies for MIA-Asia. If it was really all that appealing it would have been launched by now. It hasn't been. It likely won't be for some time unless this 'task force' really starts getting desperate and opts to just more or less subsidizes the route to a point that's acceptable.

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Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:40 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 108):
In some ways the same applies for MIA-Asia. If it was really all that appealing it would have been launched by now. It hasn't been. It likely won't be for some time.

People said the same thing about Miami-Middle East, Boston-Asia, San Diego-Asia, San Jose-Europe, Austin-Europe, Denver-Tokyo, etc., etc.

That argument doesn't fly.

Airlines are constantly entering new and growing markets. An airline will enter Miami-Pacific Rim.
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Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:42 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 104):

Florida is a large and important enough state that, even though it is just about the last place people from Asia would go (and vice versa), there is still a good deal of traffic. A perfect way to serve all of it that pops into my head is Atlanta. Next, Detroit. Next, Dallas. Next, Chicago. This gives people 1-stops from every major Florida market to the top ~5 Asia destinations. A Miami to Asia flight cannot do that and would provide lower value compared to existing services, with the single exception of the local O&D between Miami and the Asian city. Miami can't outrun that it is in a bad location to transfer anybody for domestic.

This is exactly the issue. Miami makes a great transit point for Floridians going to LATAM because its on the way. However, far more Asians live in the rest of the state of Florida than live in South Florida. MCO, JAX, TPA, and the Panhandle are all far more likely to connect in ATL (especially given the amount of service DL offers), or even ORD or DFW rather than backtrack to MIA (MCO traffic also has SFO, DEN, LAX, and SEA all as other connecting options with Asia service). It would have to be a lower, more competitive fare, which is not what you want for a ULH service like this.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:46 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 109):
That argument doesn't fly.

Airlines are constantly entering new and growing markets. An airline will enter Miami-Pacific Rim.

We'll see. What doesn't currently fly is a long-rumored nonstop or tag between Asia and Miami.



[Edited 2016-04-14 14:47:38]
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:09 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 103):
Quoting Flighty (Reply 104):

The MIA-HKG O&D is nowhere near the size it says in that article.
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Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:14 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 112):

Quoting Miami (Reply 103):
Quoting Flighty (Reply 104):

The MIA-HKG O&D is nowhere near the size it says in that article.

It doesn't claim it's the O&D. It claims that they figure a Miami-Hong Kong flight would carry 144,000 passengers, or roughly ~200/day in each direction, a year, not necessarily local.

Quoting winginit (Reply 111):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 109):
That argument doesn't fly.

Airlines are constantly entering new and growing markets. An airline will enter Miami-Pacific Rim.

We'll see. What doesn't currently fly is a long-rumored nonstop or tag between Asia and Miami.

Yup. And people said the same thing about Miami-Middle East two years ago, yet now it flies with a packed, daily 777-300ER.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:31 pm

I don't see the appeal a MIA- East Asia flight if it needs to stop somewhere. Might as well take any other connecting flight..

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 113):
Yup. And people said the same thing about Miami-Middle East two years ago, yet now it flies with a packed, daily 777-300ER.

I'm not sure if thats the same. US carriers and/or their partners barely had service to the ME, nor could they (they still can't) offer meaningful connections. Not the same situation as East Asia IMO.
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:16 am

Damn I'm surprised...I was a Chinese restaurant in Miami so there's got be some kind of trade!   
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:20 am

Quoting charlienorth (Reply 115):

Damn I'm surprised...I was a Chinese restaurant in Miami so there's got be some kind of trade!

I realize you were being sarcastic, but do you realize China is Miami's third biggest trading partner after Brazil and Colombia?
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:44 am

I'm curious, has AA made the same statement regarding PHL-Asia
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:53 am

Everytime this topic comes up it makes me laugh.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 116):
I realize you were being sarcastic, but do you realize China is Miami's third biggest trading partner after Brazil and Colombia?

Container traffic.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:13 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 116):
I realize you were being sarcastic, but do you realize China is Miami's third biggest trading partner after Brazil and Colombia?

That doesn't mean it's a large market. Considering that other cities have non-stops to China, it only suggests that Miami's link to China isn't all that big.
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:55 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 119):


That doesn't mean it's a large market. Considering that other cities have non-stops to China, it only suggests that Miami's link to China isn't all that big.

Where did I say it was a large market? The only market between Miami and Asia that is "large" is Manila.
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:54 am

Quoting winginit (Reply 108):
If it was really all that appealing it would have been launched by now. It hasn't been.

Not to be argumentative, but wouldn't that statement apply to any currently non-served route? Yet airlines regularly add new routes all over the globe. I don't see how not flying it today means it won't be flown tomorrow?

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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:56 am

A meeting with China Eastern:

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Discussing the possibility of a direct flight from Shanghai to Miami with China Eastern Airlines
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:27 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 113):
Yup. And people said the same thing about Miami-Middle East two years ago

The competitive dynamics between carriers changed significantly for that to be the result in the form of significant alliance and interline ties between AA and QR.

What dynamics exactly do we anticipate would change to make the Asia-MIA tag nonstop work especially now that AA has very explicitly said that they've no interest (which likely also rules out JL given their metal neutral JV)?





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Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:36 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 113):
now it flies with a packed, daily 777-300ER.

Does it though? Because the thing about that is... it doesn't at all per T100



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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:42 pm

All the previous talk wasn't about 1-stop at all :

Apr 2002 : "Rumours are begin to fly that Varig (in codeshare with United) is going to start non-stop Miami-Tokyo service. They have already applied for the slots (3 landings/take-offs a week). If they do, knowing how protective AA is of all thier turfs, could MIA-NRT be in AA's future?"

Oct 2002 : "From a traditionally reliable source at the FlyerTalk message boards, Northwest Airlines, following the very successful launch of MIA-AMS, is considering launching non-stop service between Miami and Tokyo Narita. "

(those were exact quotes, no editing to spelling or grammar made)

It's clear that one person has been calling for NONSTOP service between the airports since 2002, if not earlier, and said person is frustrated / disappointed / upset that no airline has been willing to validate his vision for the past 14 years.
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:41 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 124):

Those numbers are highly inaccurate. QR has repeatedly stated they are impressed with their MIA flight. In fact the flight was frequently overbooked and oversold last summer. If those numbers were true QR would have never have sent a 77W daily to the market or increased frequency.
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:51 pm

The following article refutes those numbers. Again if those numbers are true then what is said in this article would be inconceivable.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...nniversary-in-miami-300096787.html
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:07 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 124):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 113):
now it flies with a packed, daily 777-300ER.

Does it though? Because the thing about that is... it doesn't at all per T100

Yes, it does. It has been explained ad nauseum before when people bring this up. That is erroneously reporting that it was operating daily flights to Miami, when it was in fact only operating four weekly. You can see that in the Deps/day part, where it says 1.0. The load factor is dividing the total passengers over daily services, not over 4 weekly services.

The flight was upgauaged from 4w 77L to 7w 77W after about 17 months of operations in mid-November 2016.

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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:12 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 125):
It's clear that one person has been calling for NONSTOP service between the airports since 2002, if not earlier, and said person is frustrated / disappointed / upset that no airline has been willing to validate his vision for the past 14 years.

Well, "said person" - if this is how we're going to talk now - has said in this thread that they've changed their opinion. Can we move on now?

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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:13 pm

I just pulled those same numbers from T100 sources.
T100 is what the airline files with the DOT, and what all carriers flying to the USA, are required to submit in order to fly here. Again, these are numbers that QR submitted to the DOT.
So, either QR is lying and for some reason manipulating their numbers for some weird reason, or they're just blinging it up because they can.
either way, not a good thing.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 127):
The following article refutes those numbers. Again if those numbers are true then what is said in this article would be inconceivable.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...nniversary-in-miami-300096787.html
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:18 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 130):
I just pulled those same numbers from T100 sources.

The only thing I notice is that the total seats shows the same for daily flights regardless of the number of flights operated that month. How many seats do they offer on the aircraft used during that period?

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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:22 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 131):
How many seats do they offer on the aircraft used during that period?

Looking it up, actually, it seems like it is 259 seats on the 77L. Not sure how to figure out what is right or wrong in that table based on that though.

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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:23 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 130):

I just pulled those same numbers from T100 sources.
T100 is what the airline files with the DOT, and what all carriers flying to the USA, are required to submit in order to fly here. Again, these are numbers that QR submitted to the DOT.
So, either QR is lying and for some reason manipulating their numbers for some weird reason, or they're just blinging it up because they can.
either way, not a good thing.

It's very obvious from the chart what's going on: departures/day is listed as 1.0. That's daily. QR has only flown daily to Miami since mid-Novembe 2016.

Nobody is 'lying' or 'manipulating,' it's a simple error.
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:31 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 129):

Well, "said person" - if this is how we're going to talk now - has said in this thread that they've changed their opinion.

Isn't that the same as moving the goal posts ? And the case argued for MIA-China is still largely based on the same bullet points used for MIA-Japan ... other than AA showing the lack of interest, I haven't seen any new discussion points upthread that presents a strong case for the new opinion other than high level discussion of trade, really wide PDEW nets, and rosy payload/range scenarios of aircraft.
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:33 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 133):
It's very obvious from the chart what's going on: departures/day is listed as 1.0. That's daily. QR has only flown daily to Miami since mid-Novembe 2016.

So could you quickly interpret the numbers for February 2015 above (picking a period with four even weeks)? What would the load factor have been that month?

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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:39 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 124):

Those numbers are so inaccurate. Maybe you should check MIA website or even TheNextMiami.com.

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 130):

Yeah, lying probably to keep out Emirates or Etihad.   

Those numbers are false. Call me crazy but I know for a fact those aren't the numbers.



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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:42 pm

Yes- something is wrong here. To what MAH says, the airline only went to daily flights this past November. Yet the total seats/ ASMs above (and in what I can pull from T100) stays consistent throughout. That indicates something is off-
with an increase in departures/ change in gauge there should be a change in ASMs/ Seats per month. you don't see that here, so something is wrong with the denominator of the Load factor equation.

CONTRAST that with what I see when I pull Emirates data. At emirates, they added a second daily BOS-DXB and second daily SEA-DXB. When you pull that data you see the corresponding increase in seats / ASMs in the months where those flights were added.
SO, this QR data seems off, no matter how you look at it.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 133):
Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 130):
I just pulled those same numbers from T100 sources.
T100 is what the airline files with the DOT, and what all carriers flying to the USA, are required to submit in order to fly here. Again, these are numbers that QR submitted to the DOT.
So, either QR is lying and for some reason manipulating their numbers for some weird reason, or they're just blinging it up because they can.
either way, not a good thing.

It's very obvious from the chart what's going on: departures/day is listed as 1.0. That's daily. QR has only flown daily to Miami since mid-Novembe 2016.

Nobody is 'lying' or 'manipulating,' it's a simple error.
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 131):
The only thing I notice is that the total seats shows the same for daily flights regardless of the number of flights operated that month. How many seats do they offer on the aircraft used during that period?

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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:46 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 134):
Isn't that the same as moving the goal posts ?

Probably. So? I guess sometimes we make prognostications on here and they don't pan out the way we think they will. Just mark it up to you being right and him being wrong and move on rather than doing this "a certain somebody who'll remain nameless" thing.  
Quoting a380787 (Reply 134):
And the case argued for MIA-China is still largely based on the same bullet points used for MIA-Japan ... other than AA showing the lack of interest, I haven't seen any new discussion points upthread that presents a strong case for the new opinion other than high level discussion of trade, really wide PDEW nets, and rosy payload/range scenarios of aircraft.

As long as we all live a decent amount of time, someone will be able to claim they were right, and that might be you. We'll see.

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Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:56 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 135):
So could you quickly interpret the numbers for February 2015 above (picking a period with four even weeks)? What would the load factor have been that month?

I don't know because the numbers simply don't make sense whatsoever in any of the columns.

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 137):

Yes- something is wrong here. To what MAH says, the airline only went to daily flights this past November. Yet the total seats/ ASMs above (and in what I can pull from T100) stays consistent throughout. That indicates something is off-
with an increase in departures/ change in gauge there should be a change in ASMs/ Seats per month. you don't see that here, so something is wrong with the denominator of the Load factor equation.

Yes, I didn't even notice the numbers stay constant. It is showing 10,385 seats regardless of how many days in the month there are, and it ignores the fact that QR was switching between the 77L and 77W starting around November 2015.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:57 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 137):
Yes- something is wrong here.

Hat in hand I will admit a mistake here (well, admit the DOT and/or QR's reporting mistake really, but my mistake for not proofing their reporting). I've gone back and revised the figures based on what was scheduled as opposed to using what's in T100 with respect to capacity:

*Of note is while it is labeled DOH MIA as though it's directional, the figures are nondirectional.



Fair play. The load factors are very high. My question relating to whether or not we think the competitive dynamics have changed in a way that would allow for Asia-MIA nonstop service in the same way that they made DOH-MIA service possible still remains.



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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:10 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 102):
People used to laugh at the idea of Miami have an ME3 carrier for the longest time, but here we are.

A certain poster also implied that MCO wouldn't get ME3 service, but here we are.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:59 pm

I would take whatever loads, pax numbers, etc. QR uses in press releases with a grain of salt. The company will certainly promote routes as "successful" with "high customer demand" even if it's simply not true. It's an example of the right hand not talking to the left hand. And, QR has no issue with using exaggerations in press releases, promotional copy, etc.
 
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:15 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 116):
Quoting charlienorth (Reply 115):

Damn I'm surprised...I was a Chinese restaurant in Miami so there's got be some kind of trade!

I realize you were being sarcastic, but do you realize China is Miami's third biggest trading partner after Brazil and Colombia?

Is it enough trade to justify non-stop service or wold it siphon west coast or DFW service?

I was also being a little sarcastic based on the a-net mantra...lot of Scandinavians in MN therefore there should be a MSP_CPH route.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:51 pm

Quoting charlienorth (Reply 143):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 116):
Quoting charlienorth (Reply 115):

Damn I'm surprised...I was a Chinese restaurant in Miami so there's got be some kind of trade!

I realize you were being sarcastic, but do you realize China is Miami's third biggest trading partner after Brazil and Colombia?

Is it enough trade to justify non-stop service or wold it siphon west coast or DFW service?

I was also being a little sarcastic based on the a-net mantra...lot of Scandinavians in MN therefore there should be a MSP_CPH route.

I was simply pointing out China is Miami's third biggest trading partner. I never said anything else.

MIAPEK today is about the size that IAHPEK was five years ago. It's a fast growing market, and I wouldn't be shocked if it was served in this decade, just like nobody should be surprised IAHPEK now has non-stops.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:55 pm

The "Task Force" has met with China Southern.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:06 am

Some interesting news. Was just told that the meeting with China Eastern went well. Apparently things are getting more serious but the talk right now is that if it were to happen, it MAY stop somewhere.


I didn't really expect the talks to continue, let alone become "serious".
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:42 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 146):
Some interesting news. Was just told that the meeting with China Eastern went well. Apparently things are getting more serious but the talk right now is that if it were to happen, it MAY stop somewhere.

The year is 2016. If it is not non-stop, it's not going to work, and right away I would be dubious about the validity of any conversation that claims it would be one-stop.
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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:05 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 147):

That's on you if you don't believe it.

The person (who is very important to MIA) who told me shall remain anonymous.

But anyways, obviously a direct flight is wanted but I can't make that decision only the airline.



Oh and by the way, the only aircraft they have for such a flight is the 77W. At over 8,200mi, it will be a challenge.

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RE: American Airlines Not Interested In MIA-Asia

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:12 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 147):

Well, I wouldn't say that. BA seems to make SYD-LHR work and likewise QF now that they tied it up with EK.

But yes, very few routes.

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