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Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:23 am

Today Oman Air launched its second daily Muscat-London LHR service.

That's the one for which it paid US$75 million for the slot to Kenya Airways.

But confusion amongst passengers is likely as this new flight uses LHR Terminal 4 whereas Oman Air's existing flight uses Terminal 3.

The reason appears to be because Terminal 3 is too busy to accept the new flight which arrives in the morning peak. So the airline has had to move this one flight over to Terminal 4.

Just hope Oman Air's passengers remember to check-in at the right terminal. Or, if being met on arrival, let the taxi firm or their friend know about where to meet them.


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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:25 am

I noticed the information signs at LHR yesterday morning - there are plenty of signs about this around the central bus/tube station and Heathrow Express.

A long way from ideal for WY
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:56 am

Also very inconvenient if you drive yourself to the airport and use one of the official car parks. I don't know of any shuttle buses that go from T3 to T4 car parks or T4 to T3 car parks (off-airport operators excluded)
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:00 pm

Same situation as QR at JFK.

Hardly ideal but I am sure they will find a solution down the track.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:31 pm

Can they not park at a remote stand and bus passengers to/from Terminal 3?
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:36 pm

Same thing, with Etihad Airways at CDG. On morning, most of time, they use T2C, and on the evening flight, they use T2A.

Air Algérie uses T2A, but check in takes place at the T2C, at CDG.

Star Alliance uses T1, but due to lack of space, Ethiopian & Air Canada still using T2A, while Croatia Airlines and ADRIA have moved from T1 to T2D.

Oneworld Alliance uses T2A, but Qatar still using T1 while Japan Airlines still using T2E, and Finnair the T2D.

Only SkyTeam airlines (so Air France partners lol) have good conditions, they use T2C / D / E / F / G

Most of time it due to lack of space, during rush period. At T2A only one parking can handlle the A380, however this parking can be used by A340-600 (Etihad) or B777-300ER (Etihad & Cathay).

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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:42 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 4):
Can they not park at a remote stand and bus passengers to/from Terminal 3?

It's not that simple. We aren't just talking about a place to park because LHR uses bus stands at all its terminals. Capacity also relates to queues at immigration and the safe number of people that can be held there at any one time, and also baggage reclaim belts and customs etc etc. For safety reasons the terminal has a maximum capacity.
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:44 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 4):

Believe it or not Heathrow isn't exactly awash with remote parking opportunities.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:56 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 4):
Can they not park at a remote stand and bus passengers to/from Terminal 3?

That sounds logical but in practise it would be difficult. T3 and T4 are far apart and there's a runway in between.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:06 pm

LHR T4 and T3 passengers could be coached using the cargo tunnel and bags could use the baggage tunnel both of which go under the runway. As already said it is about Terminal Capacity.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:39 pm

Quoting Lofty (Reply 9):
LHR T4 and T3 passengers could be coached using the cargo tunnel and bags could use the baggage tunnel both of which go under the runway. As already said it is about Terminal Capacity.

That is true but LHR does not like using that cargo tunnel for passengers. I believe the existing transfer buses use public roads around the airfield, even if this makes for a longer journey.

That cargo tunnel is the only way to access the Central Area by road should the main tunnel/tunnels be closed by an incident.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:45 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 10):

That is true but LHR does not like using that cargo tunnel for passengers. I believe the existing transfer buses use public roads around the airfield, even if this makes for a longer journey.

Is this true even for airside transfers? I never transfer at LHR (I'm O&D as I live locally) but surely people who are on international connections (i.e. haven't legally entered the UK) can't be transferred landside (on public roads)?
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:20 pm

Quoting gct64 (Reply 11):
Is this true even for airside transfers? I never transfer at LHR (I'm O&D as I live locally) but surely people who are on international connections (i.e. haven't legally entered the UK) can't be transferred landside (on public roads)?

What I meant was that passengers would be taken on roadways around the airfield. These roads may not be public roads.

Perhaps somebody can advise ?
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:25 pm

Closure of the freight tunnel to buses and coaches was the doings of the Home Office on security grounds .

Before 9/11 the Gatwick express services 707 and 747 and Hounslow local bus regularly reversed the tunnel.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:36 pm

I'm sure they thought about it, but still I'm wondering if the other solution of moving both flights to T4 instead doesn't work?
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:18 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 10):
That is true but LHR does not like using that cargo tunnel for passengers. I believe the existing transfer buses use public roads around the airfield, even if this makes for a longer journey.

Thats not true, the airside transfer buses do use the cargo tunnel to get between T4 and the rest of the airport.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:36 am

Not sure why they don't just move both flights to T4. Or do a swap with DL as DL is also split over T3/T4.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:02 am

Airside buses use the tunnels. Previously the T4 tunnel was also open to public buses and National Express coaches as well as airside buses. The Home office didn't like public buses running airside so these now have to go around.

Landside transfers are using the Heathrow Express train (free of charge within the Airport)
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:18 am

Quoting anstar (Reply 16):
Or do a swap with DL as DL is also split over T3/T4.

Unless there is a Delta flight at the same time, then it wont be possible to swap.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 13):
Before 9/11 the Gatwick express services 707 and 747 and Hounslow local bus regularly reversed the tunnel.

I can see why that would be a security issue - you're carrying unscreened luggage. However, for terminal transfers, everyone and their bags will have been security screened, so there shouldn't be a security issue here.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:46 am

Going back many years when I was a child and we visited Heathrow the Greenline bus used the tunnel, when it closed the bus started going across the East Church Crossing. Great days sat watching jumbos being towed in front of us. No more both stopped due to security.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:34 pm

Quoting rukundo (Reply 5):
Same thing, with Etihad Airways at CDG. On morning, most of time, they use T2C, and on the evening flight, they use T2A.

Not exactly the same thing. At least T2A and T2C are part of the same terminal and are right next to each other..

At LHR, T3 and T4 are two separate terminals with a runway in between.
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:52 pm

Quoting lapper (Reply 2):
Also very inconvenient if you drive yourself to the airport and use one of the official car parks. I don't know of any shuttle buses that go from T3 to T4 car parks or T4 to T3 car parks (off-airport operators excluded)

I've parked at Hatton Cross to fly out of T2, coming back through T4 before. The underground works well as it loops around Hatton > T4 > T123 > Hatton.

You do have to change at Hatton if you're going T123 > T4 though. Still far from convenient.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:04 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
Believe it or not Heathrow isn't exactly awash with remote parking opportunities.

It's not maxxed out by any means, T1 is largely partly available to remote park leaving something closer to bus to.

It T3 really as busy again as it used to be when UNITED, American and Air Canada all had their transatlantic morning peaks? A host of airlines have moved out and only really BA have moved in en masse.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 10):
That is true but LHR does not like using that cargo tunnel for passengers. I believe the existing transfer buses use public roads around the airfield, even if this makes for a longer journey.

Not for airside Flight Connections they don't !

Quoting Lofty (Reply 19):
No more both stopped due to security.

Well that one I can sympathise with  

It's odd you have Skyteam's Garuda in T3 instead of T4 and Oman Air who are not aligned partly in T3 instead of wholly in T4.
 
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RE: Oman Air Obliged To Use Two LHR Terminals

Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:33 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 22):
Not for airside Flight Connections they don't !

Thanks both to yourself and the others who have clarified this point.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 22):

It's odd you have Skyteam's Garuda in T3 instead of T4 and Oman Air who are not aligned partly in T3 instead of wholly in T4.

Maybe it's to do with the early arrival time of Oman Air's flight. Isn't that when T3 is full of carriers arriving from Asia and North America ?

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