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Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:37 pm

From what I understand all Alaska 737's and Horizon's upcoming 175's are going to Business/Economy +/ Economy
Is this correct?

And if so, what is the pitch in the Economy + and will the pitch decrease in Economy?

I believe Q400's are not changing.
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:52 pm

That's not so much a 3-cabin layout as it is a 3 seating option layout  
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:12 pm

Pitch in Y+ is 35" and Y is remaining at 31-32". The 738s are losing a row of F and the 739s are losing their last row of Y (which is half a row, so only 3 seats) to accommodate the changes.

They didn't announce an update to their 73G fleet and obviously the 734s won't receive it as well.
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:22 pm

Quoting polot (Reply 2):
734s won't receive it as well

What is the phase-out period for the 400's?
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:39 pm

Quoting flybynight (Reply 3):
What is the phase-out period for the 400's?

Aren't the remaining 400s all combis?
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:41 pm

No, there is also a freighter and a lot of pax aircraft left.
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:57 pm

Quoting flybynight (Thread starter):
What is the phase-out period for the 400's?

I believe I've read here that all versions should be all gone by 2017 when the final 739ERs arrive. I believe they have an order of 73G freighters to replace the combis and the one -400F.
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:35 pm

Quoting polot (Reply 2):
Pitch in Y+ is 35" and Y is remaining at 31-32". The 738s are losing a row of F and the 739s are losing their last row of Y (which is half a row, so only 3 seats) to accommodate the changes

I noticed when booking my Hawaii trip, that all the 738 maps I saw for our flights in November still have the 16 seat F cabin, while any 738 map I've looked at for up & down the West Coast has the 12 seats. Is AS keeping 16 F seats for certain markets or are the ETOPS 738's going to be last converted?

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 4):
Aren't the remaining 400s all combis?


Not at all, in fact a passenger 734 flying PDX-PHX had to turn around & make an emergency landing back at PDX today.

There are fewer 73G's in the AS fleet than 734's believe it or not.

There are 20 734's still flying all passenger configuration according to Alaska's website & an additional 5 Combi's.

http://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/our-aircraft/737-400.aspx - http://www.alaskaair.com/content/tra...fo/our-aircraft/737-400-combi.aspx

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 6):
I believe they have an order of 73G freighters to replace the combis and the one -400F.

IIRC, AS is converting passenger 73G's to Cargo in Israel, there was a ferry flight last month that caught the eye of someone in Europe, seeing an AS plane so far from home.

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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:16 pm

When does the first mod roll out?

Any changes to the F soft product?
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:25 pm

Are Alaska 737-900s and 900ER the same configuration? Do they have 20F seats like Delta and United?

How many seats total will the reconfigured 738 have after going to 12F?
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:10 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
There are 20 734's still flying all passenger configuration

19 now, one left earlier this week.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
IIRC, AS is converting passenger 73G's to Cargo in Israel

Three are scheduled to be converted.

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 9):
Are Alaska 737-900s and 900ER the same configuration?

Yes 165Y, 16F

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 6):
I believe I've read here that all versions should be all gone by 2017

Late 2017. My understanding is they want them retired before the MAX arrives.
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:16 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 10):
19 now, one left earlier this week.

Have any of the special paint job ones left? I wonder if they will be the last to go. Always see that one on the dog sled rolling through ANC.
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:23 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 10):
Late 2017. My understanding is they want them retired before the MAX arrives.

At that point, will they figure out how to operate with the 738 into the small Alaska airports, or will they all be served by a combination of 73G freighters and E175s?
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:41 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 11):
Have any of the special paint job ones left? I wonder if they will be the last to go. Always see that one on the dog sled rolling through ANC.

I'm sorry to say you don't have much longer to see the "Spirit of Alaska". Its due to leave in July, along with The "Make a Wish" genie plane. The last one, "Tinkerbell" leaves in November.
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:53 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 12):

What they plan to do in Alaska is way outside my area of knowledge.
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:56 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 12):
At that point, will they figure out how to operate with the 738 into the small Alaska airports, or will they all be served by a combination of 73G freighters and E175s?

738 is scheduled into AKN all summer.
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:01 pm

All the 400's will be gone by the time the first max arrives. It is felt (by whom I'm not sure-FAA?, AS director of training?) that having 3 different versions of the 737 (classic, NG, MAX) would be too much for a single pilot group to operate safely. The other option would be for the MAX to be operated as a separate type which is something Alaska REALLY doesn't want to do.

As far as replacement for Arctic/SE flying, the plan is for PAX NG (mostly 700's) service supplemented with an occasional freighter. My guess would be that Horizon DHC-8's would eventually replace much if not all of the intra-Alaska flying. I think ANC-ADQ was a test for more inter-Alaska flying by QX. I'm not sure how that is going.

As far E-170's in Alaska, that won't happen anytime soon except perhaps ANC-FAI. All the other Alaska airports require special equipment and flight crew training to operate reliably that OO doesn't have so the earliest I can see E-170's doing inter-Alaska would be when QX gets them...and then, only when they get some operating experience and get there allowed RNP down to at least .15. That would mean 2019 at the earliest.
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:16 pm

Quoting Passedv1 (Reply 16):
It is felt (by whom I'm not sure-FAA?, AS director of training?) that having 3 different versions of the 737 (classic, NG, MAX) would be too much for a single pilot group to operate safely.

That has also come up in Southwest threads, so its likely the FAA that's behind it.
 
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RE: Are All AS Planes Going To A 3-cabin Layout

Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:51 am

Quoting Passedv1 (Reply 16):
As far E-170's in Alaska, that won't happen anytime soon except perhaps ANC-FAI.

From what I've heard from both my ANC, SEA & PDX AS friends is that the 175's are not as of yet, planned to operate Alaska State routes. I think AS will put them wherever that makes sense, but I doubt they'd have just one or two up in Alaska just to fly a non competitive route that they already own. I expect the 30 E-175's will spend much of their time at PDX or SEA, flying half trans-cons or smaller & thinner West Coast routes, the E-175 will see any current CR7 routes & the addition of shuffling flights like PDX-SEA may happen on a regular basis.
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