|Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 1):|
BA had multiple opportunities with KL, and blew them by consistently undervaluing the airline. In the end they drove KL into the arms of AF and Skyteam, a mistake they repeated later with Swiss, pushing them to LH and Star ( after they had already signed up as a future oneworld carrier). I am sure today's IAG management and shareholders regret the opportunities missed due to the arrogance and intransigence of BA management in that period.
If I recall BA
was very much of the mindset that "we would be acquiring you" whilst KL
was looking for a merger. I know that bilaterals, etc, would have meant that a holding group structure (like later emerged with IAG
-KL) would have been set up, but BA
management wanted to run the show.
I agree that BA
repeated that mistake with LX
. Things got a bit further along, including BA
acquiring a number of LX
's slots (LX withdrew from GVA
) and it was only the ability of LH
to transfer some from BD
that allowed LX
to return to that market.
|Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):|
While BA and KL would no doubt complement each other very nicely, with KL's larger presence in secondary Asian markets and their massive UK network, I can't help but feel that this is slightly revisionist thinking.
It wouldn't have been smooth but it should be remembered this was before AA
/BA got ATI so it would have been a good move for BA
on the North Atlantic. If BA
could have got in on the KL
/NW alliance then whilst NW
was Gatwicked, I'd have thought BA
would have upped frequency on LHR
and I think under Bermuda II
they could have launched LHR
would have also been a good feed for BA
(the network, whilst down from its peak, was still quite big at this time).
I'm assuming NW
would have looked to move to one
world because the KL
/NW tie-up was so in depth. Of course that opens up a revisionist history as to what could have happened if AA
/NW had merged.
Personally, whilst BA
/KL would have been good I think that given how things have panned out in Europe over the last 15 years LX
is the carrier IAG
could really have done with. Not just from the fact that ZRH
can support good loads up front but it would have given one
world a Central/Eastern European presence that it lacks. LH
/LX/OS/LO have that pretty much locked up for Star.
In the 1990s it was regulation that stopped BA
doing the deals it wanted (KL, SN
). The best they managed was the 25% stake in USAir, but the application in 1996 to do the JV
killed that. In the early 2000s it could be said that it was BA
arrogance that stopped the deals (KL, LX
). Now things have turned round. To some extent at the time BA
/IB (creating IAG
) could have been viewed as a shotgun wedding (in reaction to LH
's moves and AF
/KL), but the turnaround at IB
, the addition of VY and now EI
has made IAG
the strongest of the European groupings. If they could add AY
then they'd have a pretty good grouping.