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Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:28 am

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:34 am

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:18 am

The Treating Small Airports with Fairness Act passed in the house yesterday, sponsored by our own Representative Greg Walden.

http://walden.house.gov/media-center...walden-s-bill-bring-commercial-air

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr4549

[Edited 2016-04-14 17:19:07]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:33 am

Good news for LMT, unless that boat has sailed with PenAir opening OTH/ACV/RDD instead.
Does this have any affect on PDT? ... I've never been sure if they have screening or not.

I guess it could affect CIC (Chico, CA) which also lost OO service, though I doubt it's a likely market for KS to PDX. What others?
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:17 am

PenAir has already proposed air service to LMT. I expect the service to start soon.

http://www.flykfalls.com/passenger-services/future-air-service
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:22 am

True except that news is approaching a year old, and PenAir has bypassed LMT in deployment due to the TSA issue. So it could take them a while to build up again. Plus the billl has to go through the Senate and the White House. I'd be surprised if TSA returned to LMT in much under a year.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:48 pm

OAG Changes 4/22/2016:UA+EWR-BGR/CHA/FNT/FWA/LEX (by enilria Apr 17 2016 in Civil Aviation)

AA PHX-PDX JUL 4>5
DL JFK-PDX NOV 1.5>1.0

DL PDX-AMS NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.9
PDX-AMS is going year round A330-300, no longer down-gauges to 767-300 but reduces to 6x/week nov-dec. Jan-Feb is 5x/week A330-300. Still an increase in seats PDX-AMS for the fall/winter months!

293 seats on DL A333
208 seats on DL767-300 with lie flat seats

293 seats A333 x 6x/week fall 2016=1758 seats PDX-AMS
208 seats 763 x 7x/week fall 2015=1456 seats PDX-AMS

293 seats A333 x 5x/week winter 2017= 1465 seats PDX-AMS
208 seats 763 x 6x/week winter 2016= 1248 seatsPDX-AMS

Delta has consistently added capacity to the PDX-AMS market for the past 5 years. Wonder if they will add additional frequencies for summer 2017 (10x/ week PDX-AMS) or add summer seasonal PDX-CDG.

Impressive how much capacity PDX-EUROPE has added in the past few years. FI is also almost year round now too (operating may - January 2017, starting up again March 2017).

[Edited 2016-04-17 12:19:38]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:10 am

PDX-ACV and RDD starts this weekn on 21APR
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:30 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 7):
PDX-ACV and RDD starts this weekn on 21APR

Great! Been looking at the seat maps for the PDX-CEC flights. The loads are way better than when they started! Should do really well over the summer.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:39 pm

From the thread about WN January 2016 loads: WN Jan '16 Load %, Also Flt By Airport Vs The Past (by knope2001 Apr 19 2016 in Civil Aviation)

82.7% PDX MDW
81.1% PDX LAS
78.1% DEN PDX
77.9% MCI PDX
75.6% PDX OAK
74.6% PDX SAN
73.0% PDX PHX
72.3% DAL PDX
66.2% SMF PDX
63.5% PDX SJC
58.2% SNA PDX
57.4% PDX LAX
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:50 am

Quoting pdx (Reply 8):

Plane is in RDD for tomorrow's start!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/PEN8820/history/20160420/2330Z/KACV/KRDD
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:14 pm

Showing the great diversity of aircraft types that pass thru PDX. An AH-64E Guardian waits to cross 28R/10L as a Spirit A320 arrives !

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:08 pm

March 2016 passenger statistics have been released and are quite impressive with 1,419,144 passengers passing through PDX. And there are still flight additions coming to PDX:
AS is restarting PDX-ATL.
Sun country is starting PDX-MSP.
WN is resuming PDX-HOU(going year round) and adding PDX-BUR/ONT/STL.
DL will resume PDX-ANC.
AC will resume PDX-YYZ.
AA will start PDX-LAX.
F9 will start PDX-PHX and just added PDX-ORD/CLE.
DE and FI will up from 2x/week last year to 4x/week this summer to FRA and KEF respectively.
DL has upgauged PDX-AMS to a year round A333(no longer downgauging to a 763 during the off season).
PenAir just started PDX-OTH/ACV/CEC/RDD



http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/Mar2016webstats.pdf

Passenger numbers are up 10% in March 2016 vs March 2015. YTD passenger numbers are up 9.9% 2016 is going to see some large growth at PDX.

If we continue this YTD number of 10% increase YOY, this will put PDX close to 18.5 million passengers for the year 2016.

[Edited 2016-04-21 11:13:28]

[Edited 2016-04-21 11:25:15]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:11 pm

Wow PDX is on a roll!!
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:16 pm

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2016/apr/21/penair-direct-flights-humboldt-portland-acv-pdx/

A New Era: LoCO Flew Direct From Humboldt to Portland This Morning (UPDATING: And Now We Are Stuck Here) (PHOTOS)
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:35 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 12):
March 2016 passenger statistics have been released and are quite impressive with 1,419,144 passengers passing through PDX. And there are still flight additions coming to PDX:
AS is restarting PDX-ATL.
Sun country is starting PDX-MSP.
WN is resuming PDX-HOU(going year round) and adding PDX-BUR/ONT/STL.
DL will resume PDX-ANC.
AC will resume PDX-YYZ.
AA will start PDX-LAX.
F9 will start PDX-PHX and just added PDX-ORD/CLE.
DE and FI will up from 2x/week last year to 4x/week this summer to FRA and KEF respectively.
DL has upgauged PDX-AMS to a year round A333(no longer downgauging to a 763 during the off season).
PenAir just started PDX-OTH/ACV/CEC/RDD

AS did PDX-FAI a few years ago for one summer only. How come they haven't brought it back? Was it not successful?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:35 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 12):
March 2016 passenger statistics have been released and are quite impressive with 1,419,144 passengers passing through PDX. And there are still flight additions coming to PDX:

Many positive schedule highlights. A few others that I have noted which will most certainly contribute more to PDX passenger loads:

-Delta is now operating at least 3-4 days/week a B767 on one of their n/s JFK-PDX-JFK flights
-The addition of at least one, soon to be two mainline Delta aircraft on the PDX-SEA route
-Delta PDX-ATL has at least one or two B757 operating daily (adding a bit more capactiy vs. the B737-900
-Delta PDX-DTW is periodically scheduled with a B757-300 (my daughter is booked on an early May DTW-PDX flight on the 757-300 and the flight is already showing full by seat map)
-Delta will introduce the B717 on all PDX-LAX flights eff June 8
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:20 pm

Quoting 910A (Reply 14):

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2016/apr/21/penair-direct-flights-humboldt-portland-acv-pdx/

A New Era: LoCO Flew Direct From Humboldt to Portland This Morning (UPDATING: And Now We Are Stuck Here) (PHOTOS)

Oh wow! Not such a great start to this new service...

Also, I would add that while I'm really excited to have this route up and running, I'm disappointed with the fares currently available on PenAir. They're considerably more than the flights to CEC and RDD, and the connecting flights on AS to various places are almost all higher than the UA fares through SFO. Some of them MUCH higher.

I hate to say it, but at these fares, and much more than that for pretty much all connecting flights, I think PenAir will really struggle at ACV.

Random sample PenAir fares on AS website (5/27-5/30):
PDX-CEC-PDX: $268
PDX-RDD-PDX: $336
PDX-ACV-PDX: $446
ACV-MSP-ACV: $1050

On UA:
ACV-PDX: $443
ACV-MSP-ACV: $621

So unfortunately, PenAir is really only competitive on flights to PDX, not connections with AS. Even then, UA matches the price (though obviously not the flight time).

I hope I'm missing something, but I don't see the business model...
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:15 pm

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 17):
Random sample PenAir fares on AS website (5/27-5/30):
PDX-CEC-PDX: $268
PDX-RDD-PDX: $336
PDX-ACV-PDX: $446
ACV-MSP-ACV: $1050

Your random sample is memorial day weekend...
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:19 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 18):
Your random sample is memorial day weekend...

Yep, a popular time to fly. Still, PenAir's planes are basically completely empty on those flight days if you go by the website seat maps. I challenge you to find some connecting flights to popular US destinations on PenAir through PDX to where the price is competitive with UA through SFO. Maybe they're out there, but I don't think so.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:34 am

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 19):
Yep, a popular time to fly. Still, PenAir's planes are basically completely empty on those flight days if you go by the website seat maps. I challenge you to find some connecting flights to popular US destinations on PenAir through PDX to where the price is competitive with UA through SFO. Maybe they're out there, but I don't think so.

https://www.kayak.com/flights/ACV-WAS/2016-05-11
https://www.kayak.com/flights/ACV-ORD/2016-05-11
https://www.kayak.com/flights/ACV-GEG/2016-05-11
https://www.kayak.com/flights/RDD-LAX/2016-05-11
https://www.kayak.com/flights/OTH-YVR/2016-05-11

Are we done here?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:49 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 20):
Are we done here?

What kind of fares did you find?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:55 am

Quoting 910A (Reply 21):

Just typed Ina city pair and sorted by price. AS codeshare was cheaper than United in every pair
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:24 am

I looked too. Unfortunately some of the AS deals were 2 stops compared to 1 with UA, as AS eastern service from PDX is limited. (PDX-DEN being a glaring example.) But they were cheaper than UA. In some cases, the layovers on AS were longer, but sometimes they were shorter. And elapsed time was shorter with AS even with the 2 stops (SEA and PDX).

I did notice that UA has re-timed some connections over SFO. Last summer, in booking my sister in law for a visit in CEC, it was many hours shorter to fly her SMF-PDX and back down to CEC, than it was in comparison to fly her SMF-SFO-CEC...terrible layovers at SFO. And the AS/CEC fare was $200 less than the UA/ACV fare. Now the UA layovers at SFO are 40 minutes or so, which is good -when it works-. But SFO doesn't work well much of the time.


What I did notice (using Orbitz for my searches) is that booking AS to AS* (codeshare) was cheaper than booking AS to KS across the board, even though it's the same operating flight. So a word to the wise is do all your searches through AS or to use AS/AS* in the other booking engines. CEC/OTH/ACV/RDD flyers take notice of that. And those coming here to the lower PNW.

On a side bar, I wonder how many ACV people are still going to drive up to fly from CEC, as the fare difference is substantial, multiplied by additional family members. (And parking is free at CEC.) Obviously KS is keeping the spirit of the EAS subsidy at CEC and not gouging the paying passenger. But they have to make it on fares alone in the non-subsidized markets. The jives with what CEO Danny Seybert told me a year ago at their road show, when KS was in CEC before the airport board.

----- ----- ----- -
Now, about today. KS had a truly sucky day, as happens to everyone now and then. In my many years with the airlines, I learned to dread inaugural flights, as they often go wrong and the press is there to make a big deal about it. ( I had 3 go out under me.) The RDD-ACV inaugural was late (possibly ACV weather) so the ACV-PDX inaugural was late. The inaugural PDX-ACV flight departed on time but turned around with a mechanical (no maintenance in ACV yet, which seems a major oversight.) It eventually ran again about six hours late, delaying the return as much. The inaugural RDD-ACV flight was delayed, and I'm guessing they stole the PDX-CEC-PDX aircraft, as that round-trip was canceled. The evening flight PDX-CEC and PDC-ACV-RDD did finally run, but with almost 1 hour delays. To make it worse, PenAir has not updated their FLIFO, so the evening mess all shows cheerily On-Time. Not.

But Mama said there'd be days like this, there'd be days like this, my Mama said (Mama said!). Growing pains will pass.

[Edited 2016-04-21 20:26:41]
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:31 am

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 16):

DL's JFK 763's go JFK-PDX-NRT and NRT-PDX-JFK. They don't turn at PDX. On days there is no NRT service, there is no JFK late morning arrival/departure. Only the usual morning departure and off/on red eye. Once NRT goes back to daily this summer, both routes go daily. There will be 3 daily again to JFK, one being the 763.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:58 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 23):
What I did notice (using Orbitz for my searches) is that booking AS to AS* (codeshare) was cheaper than booking AS to KS across the board, even though it's the same operating flight. So a word to the wise is do all your searches through AS or to use AS/AS* in the other booking engines. CEC/OTH/ACV/RDD flyers take notice of that. And those coming here to the lower PNW.

AS* will get you an AS thru fair while AS/KS will be a combination of locals which will always be more. Just a reservations system issue. Since KS markets the flights as well.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:06 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 25):
AS* will get you an AS thru fair while AS/KS will be a combination of locals which will always be more.

I suppose it's possible booking AS/KS might on occasion be cheaper during one of KS's many sales. I'll have to look for grins the next time they have a $99 ow sale for CEC.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:47 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 20):
https://www.kayak.com/flights/ACV-WAS/2016-05-11
https://www.kayak.com/flights/ACV-ORD/2016-05-11
https://www.kayak.com/flights/ACV-GEG/2016-05-11
https://www.kayak.com/flights/RDD-LAX/2016-05-11
https://www.kayak.com/flights/OTH-YVR/2016-05-11

Are we done here?

Hey man, no need to get snooty. I didn't think the purpose of a discussion forum was to be "done".
BTW, I'm glad you found some fares where KS/AS can beat UA on price. That's very reassuring. Thanks.

Since you seem to have all the answers, any chance you can tell me if RDD is subsidizing the PenAir flights? If not, can anyone explain why the RT fare to PDX from RDD is $110 more than from ACV?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:28 pm

AS PDX-FAT SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AS SEA-PDX SEP 27>25 OCT 27>25
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:33 pm

Another 787 arrives from CHS to be painted here. With the PDX control tower in the background.

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:45 am

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 28):

PDX-FAT goes 175 on November 18.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:54 am

I just wonder if KS is biting off more than they can handle. LMT has always had a problem with attracting passengers with MFR just over the hill. AirWest, AirOregon, Horizon, United and Skywest have all attempted with various sizes of aircraft and failed. The only reason RW lasted as long as they did they received monies from the feds, even then back in 1968 the first time I flew into LMT on an RW F-27, the feds were talking "use it or lose it". I also don't see the RDD/ACV lasting in the long run either. ACV passengers can drive north to CEC get a cheaper fare and get free parking. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:00 am

Quoting 910A (Reply 32):
I just wonder if KS is biting off more than they can handle. LMT has always had a problem with attracting passengers with MFR just over the hill. AirWest, AirOregon, Horizon, United and Skywest have all attempted with various sizes of aircraft and failed. The only reason RW lasted as long as they did they received monies from the feds, even then back in 1968 the first time I flew into LMT on an RW F-27, the feds were talking "use it or lose it". I also don't see the RDD/ACV lasting in the long run either. ACV passengers can drive north to CEC get a cheaper fare and get free parking. Just my 2 cents worth.

I thought it worked for QX on the 30 seater but not the 72?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:04 am

In this thread about small community grants - 2016 Small Community Air Svc Development Program (by LAXintl Mar 28 2016 in Civil Aviation)

There is this mention from Mokulele Airlines President.

http://khon2.com/2016/04/19/mokulele...ansion-with-service-in-california/

"McKinney says the company is looking to expand even more, with talks to fly into several other cities in California and the Pacific Northwest."

I wonder what Mokulele could do in the Pacific Northwest? Any ideas? I think KS is locking up the smaller cities that may be able to support any air service.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:11 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 34):
I wonder what Mokulele could do in the Pacific Northwest? Any ideas? I think KS is locking up the smaller cities that may be able to support any air service.

Be hiding under the Mokulele name as Seaport?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:17 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 34):
"McKinney says the company is looking to expand even more, with talks to fly into several other cities in California and the Pacific Northwest."

I wonder what Mokulele could do in the Pacific Northwest? Any ideas? I think KS is locking up the smaller cities that may be able to support any air service.
Quoting twincommander (Reply 35):

Be hiding under the Mokulele name as Seaport?

What's annoying about this, is while I would love to see certain Oregon/Washington communities get air service, subsidized usually is not sustainable, and SeaPort is proof of that. McKinney has gone into Mokulele using the same approach and mind-set that ran SeaPort into the ground. Mokulele had a good thing going in Hawaii, and now they're coming to the mainland, which is fine, to expand, but they're just chasing subsidy. So once again, these communities will throw all this money out to an airline at the promise of air service and "long-lasting relationships" that will fizzle away once the airline gets the money and leaves. McKinney is a slime and he really shouldn't be allowed to run an airline.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:04 pm

I think a few of us at Seaport coined the phrase "Pilots shouldn't be businessmen, and businessmen shouldn't be pilots."

McKinney is both...
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:15 pm

Quoting twincommander (Reply 37):

I think a few of us at Seaport coined the phrase "Pilots shouldn't be businessmen, and businessmen shouldn't be pilots."

McKinney is both...

I think that's 98% accurate with very few exceptions. I'd hate to see Mokulele suffer the same fate that SeaPort has/is. As I've said before, SeaPort had a good thing going until McKinney started screwing around with stuff. It'll be a shame to see another airline that had something going for it dissolve.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:27 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 36):
McKinney is a slime and he really shouldn't be allowed to run an airline.

Well I'm no fan of him either & when I flew Mokulele last (Dec 2012) it was a great experience from check in to touch down, both directions OGG-MKK-OGG.

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 38):
I'd hate to see Mokulele suffer the same fate that SeaPort has/is.

That would be a terrible loss, Mokulele serves many routes in the Islands that no other Inter Island carrier could match, just due to the size of aircraft they operate. WP can't even make LNY-HNL work & HA's Empire ATR's are flying near their daily capacity & would likely be too big for many of the Mokulele routes.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:54 pm

I wonder what Mokulele could do in the Pacific Northwest?


There is still a market between Wenatchee, Washington & Portland, Oregon but only non - stop between the 2 cities.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:17 am

Quoting dc10lover (Reply 40):
There is still a market between Wenatchee, Washington & Portland, Oregon but only non - stop between the 2 cities.

YKM-PDX, HIO-SEA, SLE-SEA, PDX-LWS? Unless it's tied into a big carrier with a lot of lift out of PDX and/or SEA ie ... AS, all the services aforementioned would not be viable as stand alone, even on caravans.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:26 am

http://www.oregonbusiness.com/articl...drives-growth-for-port-of-portland

The highlights:

"The Port of Portland is contemplating adding gates at Portland International Airport for the first time in 20 years, signaling how increased airplane traffic is the main source of growth for the airport operator"..I'm not sure what this mean, but this was stated by Bill Wyatt at the Oregon business hot topic forum today...........
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:23 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
That would be a terrible loss, Mokulele serves many routes in the Islands that no other Inter Island carrier could match, just due to the size of aircraft they operate. WP can't even make LNY-HNL work & HA's Empire ATR's are flying near their daily capacity & would likely be too big for many of the Mokulele routes.

It would be very sad. They serve a very specific purpose in Hawaii, and when someone who thinks they know better comes in and starts to defile what wrks, it all falls apart. That seems to be the only kind of business McKinney knows and that hasn't worked out too well for him or the companies he's helmed. It's sad.

Quoting dc10lover (Reply 40):

I wonder what Mokulele could do in the Pacific Northwest?

I think MWH, CLM, EAT to SEA/PDX would be the primary candidates...outside of that I don't know of many. Salem is always one that's brought up in conversation, but a flight to Seattle is almost pointless from Salem unless they have other options like flights to the Bay Area or Las Vegas n/s from SLE. Plus, the airport director for SLE isn't an idiot and he knows the history of the airport and what's been done before i.e. SeaPort. He's a pretty cautious guy. I think YKM and LWS-PDX are great candidates for PenAir and I suspect they're on their radar.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:01 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 42):
The Port of Portland is contemplating adding gates at Portland International Airport for the first time in 20 years, signaling how increased airplane traffic is the main source of growth for the airport operator...........

I think it's a good idea to plan for the future. Something that's somewhat uncommon in Portland (i.e. I-5, I-84, US-26). The airport can handle the capacity is sees now, BUT when, not if, the passenger numbers get into the 20mm per year area, it's going to get a little cramped. Even now at peak times, it's a little cramped. The security lines are getting worse, and I think they're addressing that, but something needs to be done.

I've always thought they should build a separate terminal to handle certain carriers kind of like MSP has where Sun Country, Southwest, Icelandair, and Condor all fly in/out of. Not sure where they would or could put something like that in Portland, but I'm sure there's room and just connect it with the MAX like they do at MSP with their tram system. Maybe throw Condor, Volaris, Icelandair, Spirit, Sun Country, and Frontier in that terminal. The clears up some space.

It'll never happen, but it's an idea. Realistically, they'll extend E and add gates and they'll probably look at extended A and adding gates. As far as I'm concerned, they should just keep AS on the ABC concourse and move WN over to E. My biggest gripe about PDX right now, and it's not even that big, is the arrival/departure roadways. It's getting to be a little cramped at times and can get crazy. Who knows where the airport will go in the next 5-10 years...all it takes is one disaster to change everything, but might as well plan as if that won't happen.

Once British Airways and Hainan and Emirates start coming into Portland, then the international arrivals area is going to get a tad crazy...and before any goes crazy and says "they don't fly here" or "they won't ever fly to Portland," have a chat with SJC two years ago and ask them what they thought about getting the carriers they're getting now. With a growing Alaska in Portland plus the addition of VX in the next couple of years, Portland will only get bigger and bigger of a hub for AS, and the temptation for British, Hainan, and Emirates only gets stronger in my opinion.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:47 pm

Perhaps this is a good time to take a look at the master planning documents for PDX again.

http://www.pdxairportfutures.com/Documents.aspx

Go to this page and search under "FINAL PRODUCTS" for the 2010 Master Plan Update Report - I'm not able to paste a direct link for some reason.

It's not as if this growth wasn't anticipated, and the Port has lots of ideas about how to accommodate it. This document lays all that out. Of particular note: 1) the passenger growth is very much in line with the average of the forecasts described on page 3-7. 2) the future development plan on page 5-8 gives you a pretty good idea of where the airport will gradually go.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:18 am

KS is bringing another Saab 340 down from ANC to PDX....just departed BFI. Anybody know if it is to augment the PDX hub or replace a turkey? They've had an awful time since last week's ACV/RDD making schedules.

EDIT: now it appears the plane is going to FAR, not PDX. (So that probably means onward to YQB for planned major maintenance.) I could be wrong, but I swear it was showing BFI-PDX when I first looked.

Meanwhile, there is another one in the air, showing PDX-PDX. Maintenance flight I imagine. Hopefully fixing the problem child. They've canceled a CEC flight or two, and combined CEC with ACV the other night, so clearly a bird picked a bad time (route inaugurals) to go sour.

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:17 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 46):
They've had an awful time since last week's ACV/RDD making schedules.
Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 46):
They've canceled a CEC flight or two, and combined CEC with ACV the other night

Perhaps that is why PenAir had the nickname "WhenAir" on their east coast EAS routes, unable to meet schedules.

Looking at some documents from 2014-15, I was surprised to see that PHX is/was the #1 out of state market from CEC.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon May 02, 2016 2:11 am

PDX certainly gets some interesting traffic every now and then.

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon May 02, 2016 3:54 am

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 48):
PDX certainly gets some interesting traffic every now and then.

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