Quoting pdxav8r (Reply 97): Absolutely agree. That, and the fact CDG would just water down the AMS revenue

Absolutely agree back, the CDG flight is a revenue losing concept, the daily AMS flight provides enough seats now for DL connecting purposes & the LHR seasonal non-stop gives enough lift for the summer season to keep connecting revenue connecting via AMS.

Quoting pdxav8r (Reply 97): Hell, PDX and DL are strange in that they are trying to grow SEA into a major hub, but they continue to grow PDX just a few miles south.

It worked well for AS, but DL isn't opposed to running a flight for a few weeks once a year like hey do with PDX-HNL, so I expect high season adds from PDX from time to time, but DL was about the last carrier I expected PDX-LHR from.

Quoting dc10lover (Reply 99): Wasn't UA suppose to provide main line between EUG & SFO this Summer?

First day of operation for EUG-SFO UA mainline that I see is Thursday June 9th.

Not really "news", and it's not really the most exciting either, BUT, we have a new paint job regularly scheduled to PDX coming in today with the new MSP-PDX on Sun Country!

Any insiders have an idea on pre-bookings for the flight?

Also curious to know on Air Canada to YYZ if it's doing alright?

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 102): Not really "news", and it's not really the most exciting either, BUT, we have a new paint job regularly scheduled to PDX coming in today with the new MSP-PDX on Sun Country!

Forgot all about this one,, thanks for the reminder, it's always exciting news when a new carrier with a different livery lands at PDX. Although this is a return for SY, it's still very welcome.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 103): Forgot all about this one,, thanks for the reminder, it's always exciting news when a new carrier with a different livery lands at PDX. Although this is a return for SY, it's still very welcome.

Yes, I'm really happy that they're back. Plus I think MSP with connections makes a lot more sense than IFP...

Plus the SY paint job just looks cool.

People should be showing DL more love around here considering they are the only airline investing in PDX, aside from AS.

Quoting toobz (Reply 105): People should be showing DL more love around here considering they are the only airline investing in PDX, aside from AS.

Only airline investing in PDX aside from AS?

Southwest has added several new markets, Frontier has added new markets, Icelandair has increased and extended their service, Condor has increased their service, American added Los Angeles, Sun Country started today...Delta is hardly the only airline investing in PDX.

PDX has been on a roll as of late!! I just hoping AS does not neglect PDX in the coming years with their current quest to conquer California.......

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 107): PDX has been on a roll as of late!! I just hoping AS does not neglect PDX in the coming years with their current quest to conquer California.......

I've thought about this exact thing. From what I'm privy to which is not the big picture, is that some expansion plans have been set aside for now & other interests have come to light with the VX acquisition. Which is to be expected, in this industry the one constant is change & those airlines that are successful are prepared to make those changes to stay in front of the rest & AS knows the West Coast.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 108): 've thought about this exact thing. From what I'm privy to which is not the big picture, is that some expansion plans have been set aside for now & other interests have come to light with the VX acquisition. Which is to be expected, in this industry the one constant is change & those airlines that are successful are prepared to make those changes to stay in front of the rest & AS knows the West Coast.

That's rather disappointing news, but I completely understand..I wonder if this will affect the POP present plans to fully expand CC-E with jetways?

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/...on-pdx-overhaul-with-a-4m-gas.html

A gas station and travel center gas station will be constructed next to the airport...

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 110): A gas station and travel center gas station will be constructed next to the airport...

My goodness, this has been needed forever.

From my understanding it's never been done because of floodplain concerns, or something along those lines. Which is silly, because there are fuel pumps on the airport property.

Guaranteed this will be a VERY busy place to stop and fill up.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 111): Quoting lhpdx (Reply 110): A gas station and travel center gas station will be constructed next to the airport... My goodness, this has been needed forever. From my understanding it's never been done because of floodplain concerns, or something along those lines. Which is silly, because there are fuel pumps on the airport property. Guaranteed this will be a VERY busy place to stop and fill up.

Tell me about it..It's also going to be a nice area for a cup of java, eating, and plane spotting too!!

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 110): http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/....html

Nice. But what's up with that stock airport photo with the article? Shows a US Airways plane at... maybe PHX?

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/...-runway-adds-industrial-space.html

Also in the news today, the POP plans to downsize the foot print of Troutdale airport, and replacing some of the land with more industrial buildings.....

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 113): Nice. But what's up with that stock airport photo with the article? Shows a US Airways plane at... maybe PHX?

Funny that the Portland Business Journal can't be bothered with even a stock photo of its local airport.

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 114): Also in the news today, the POP plans to downsize the foot print of Troutdale airport, and replacing some of the land with more industrial buildings.....

Which is interesting to me since I thought I'd heard Troutdale was only getting busier. Maybe there's just a lot of extraneous space there.

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 109): That's rather disappointing news, but I completely understand..I wonder if this will affect the POP present plans to fully expand CC-E with jetways?

I think this may have been why things were put on hold with the terminal expansion project, I think plans are going to go forward as the 175's need more space than the Q400's & as more 175's arrive & some Q400's go, there is definitely going to be a need for extra ramp space. I think AS will continue to grow PDX, but maybe not quite like they may have thought a year ago. PDX will remain a very important part & a secondary connecting hub for AAG well into the future.

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 114): Also in the news today, the POP plans to downsize the foot print of Troutdale airport, and replacing some of the land with more industrial buildings.....

It really is in a poor spot in relation to PDX, as traffic at PDX increases I can see why they may wish the Troutdale airport to take on a diminished role. Although I too, had heard that Troutdale was increasing traffic as the area expands. Let's face it, once the Subaru parts distribution center for the entire US & Canada market is finished here in Gresham/Portland area, there will be even more reason to increase cargo & passengers out of PDX,

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 115): Which is interesting to me since I thought I'd heard Troutdale was only getting busier. Maybe there's just a lot of extraneous space there.

This has been a hotly contested issue in the Troutdale aviation circle...and I get both points of view. The problem is that GA airports are generally money pits, and TTD is no exception. Even though it's getting busier, the majority of the traffic doesn't pay a landing fee of any kind i.e. C172 or R22 helicopters. The one-off jets will, but that's not much. HIO is in the red too even with the amount of traffic it sees. If Intel was being charged per passenger, HIO would be making money I'm sure.

In spite of all of the cranky old-timers at Troutdale's opinion, the Port IS NOT going to close TTD, they're just making it economically feasible for the future. It's still an absolutely great GA airport, but without a serious business case or serious FBO with larger jets flying into the airport, there's no reason to keep it the size it is. I have to agree with the Port on this one.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 116): Quoting lhpdx (Reply 109): That's rather disappointing news, but I completely understand..I wonder if this will affect the POP present plans to fully expand CC-E with jetways? I think this may have been why things were put on hold with the terminal expansion project, I think plans are going to go forward as the 175's need more space than the Q400's & as more 175's arrive & some Q400's go, there is definitely going to be a need for extra ramp space. I think AS will continue to grow PDX, but maybe not quite like they may have thought a year ago. PDX will remain a very important part & a secondary connecting hub for AAG well into the future.

Honestly I'm a little confuse with the airlines future plans for PDX and the POP plans for expansion...Just today at the city club of Portland Bill Wyatts was quoted saying,"

We expect to exceed 18 million passengers at PDX and expect to add gates, and more capacity". It sounds like the expansion is more than just about "Terminal balancing"...The airport is also positioning itself for future growth...

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 118): Honestly I'm a little confuse with the airlines future plans for PDX and the POP plans for expansion...Just today at the city club of Portland Bill Wyatts was quoted saying,"

The airport has to expand anyway if it continues to grow. Alaska will still grow Portland, there's no doubt about that, but maybe not as quickly as we all wanted or as quickly as Alaska anticipated. I don't think the VX acquisition changes Alaska's commitment to Portland, it just slows the expansion.

If Alaska doesn't expand, someone else will and that someone else would probably be Delta or Southwest, even jetBlue makes a little bit of sense.

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 113): Nice. But what's up with that stock airport photo with the article? Shows a US Airways plane at... maybe PHX?

I think it's a pic of EWR showing a defunct airline, a 737-300?, and an airport 2,500 miles from our awesome PDX! What a terrible article!

Quoting pdx (Reply 120): I think it's a pic of EWR showing a defunct airline, a 737-300?, and an airport 2,500 miles from our awesome PDX! What a terrible article!

It being US and on the East Coast I'm guessing it's a 737-400  

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 118): We expect to exceed 18 million passengers at PDX and expect to add gates, and more capacity". It sounds like the expansion is more than just about "Terminal balancing"...The airport is also positioning itself for future growth...

I hope PDX is seeing the issues that SEA is experiencing & in hopes of not playing "catch up" later on, we are proactively expanding seeing the trends that are happening here in the greater Portland Metro Area currently.

City Club of Portland Friday Forum: The Port at 125

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ6CQTg2Qwo

http://www.mailtribune.com/article/2016 ... /160619804

MFR still booming!

PDX-MCO daily nonstop is resuming on alaska from march 17, 2017!

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1335979

Great add and a long-time overdue!

Did anybody happen to take a picture of the United 747 that diverted to PDX the other day? I haven't found any online yet.

I wonder if the brexit vote will affect plans to start PDX-LHR service.

I don't believe the DL route will be dropped, as it's seasonal, and the weaker pound will probably make the UK a more attractive destination for leisure travelers coming from the States. However it may not be a good omen for the regular BA service we've all be hoping for/half expecting.

derek0aa wrote:

Did anybody happen to take a picture of the United 747 that diverted to PDX the other day? I haven't found any online yet.

That was most likely a military charter since it's the 747 that United uses for charters only and it parked at the ANG ramp.

Nope, there was an article in O-Live on it. Was a SEL-SFO diversion. Smoke in the cockpit, if memory serves me.

DBun wrote:

I wonder if the brexit vote will affect plans to start PDX-LHR service.

I don't believe the DL route will be dropped, as it's seasonal, and the weaker pound will probably make the UK a more attractive destination for leisure travelers coming from the States. However it may not be a good omen for the regular BA service we've all be hoping for/half expecting.

I too hope that BA does LHR-PDX-LHR which will help in more connections as well. The other hope is for a DL/AF PDX/CDG-CDG/PDX for similar reasons.

Airnerd wrote:

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 110):
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/....html
Nice. But what's up with that stock airport photo with the article? Shows a US Airways plane at... maybe PHX?

They should've dug deep, and found a shot of the old Chevron that used to be in front of the parking garage...

With the addition of the recent UA mainline EUG-SFO flights I noticed a return of mainline service to the EUG-DEN-EUG routes as well. While it only appears to be seasonal weekend only service (DEN-EUG on Saturday evenings & EUG-DEN on Sunday mornings); it's certainly nice to see this United route mainline again.

I last flew DEN-EUG in 1997 on a United B737. With the resumption of the mainline flights into Eugene can anyone answer when these routes were last flown by UA metal?

I don't know, but it's a reversal from what UA originally announced. When it became known that UA mainline was coming back to EUG, the schedules showed the 2x DEN-EUG flights being on all CR7 or E175. But in reality, it's still a CR2 on the afternoon rotation and an oddball A319 on Saturday night.

The sooner they can get the CR2 off that flight, the better. I've flown it in a CR2, and it's not fun. In my opinion, the UAX CR7s aren't that much better either.

I agree...it is a bit of an odd schedule on the DEN-EUG weekend flights.

Suprising too that with the increase of overall passengers at Eugene that UA continues to operate the CR2 on the DEN flights. I really believe that the CR2 is a better frame for the smaller markets out of Denver such as LAR, PUB, GJT, RKS, HYS....etc.

bigfoot0503 wrote:

I agree...it is a bit of an odd schedule on the DEN-EUG weekend flights.

Suprising too that with the increase of overall passengers at Eugene that UA continues to operate the CR2 on the DEN flights. I really believe that the CR2 is a better frame for the smaller markets out of Denver such as LAR, PUB, GJT, RKS, HYS....etc.

They don't do PUB anymore. That went back (for now lol) to Great Lakes.

According to the May 2016 stats for PDX, Air Canada saw a 78% load factor with 905 total passengers over 12 flights, Icelandair saw a 65% load factor (that seems REALLY low) with 1,671 total passengers over 14 flights, and Volaris saw a 93% load factor with 4,195 total passengers over 26 flights.

For Icelandair, that is a 69.8% increase and for Volaris that is a 7.7% increase YoY.

The following numbers are compare May 2016 to May 2015.

Alaska Airlines...................................10.9%
American Airlines................................-3.9%
Compass Airlines, LLC..........................-59.1%
Delta Air Lines.....................................27.0%
Frontier Airlines...................................49.5%
Hawaiian Airlines..................................4.0%
Horizon Air...........................................-7.3%
Iceland Air...........................................69.8%
Jazz Air, LP............................................6.5%
JetBlue Airways....................................12.1%
Republic Airlines.................................-100.0%
Seaport Airlines....................................-67.2%
SkyWest Airlines....................................48.2%
Southwest Airlines.................................14.2%
Spirit Airlines Inc....................................46.5%
United Airlines.........................................9.7%
Virgin America......................................162.7%
Volaris....................................................7.7%


Total PDX Flight Operations *........................6.4%
Military..............................................-44.5%
General Aviation...................................-3.2%
Hillsboro Airport Operations........................21.4%
Troutdale Airport Operations.......................-13.9%
Total System Operations................................5.5%

For informational purposes May 2016 compared to May 2015, PDX saw an 8.3% increase in domestic passengers and a 4.2% increase in international passenger YTD.

Total Enplaned & Deplaned Passengers...1,528,094...1,369,781...11.6%

Total Enplaned Passengers.....750,466.....677,099.....10.8%
Total Deplaned Passengers.....777,628......692,682.....12.3%
Total Domestic Passengers.....1,476,361.....1,322,005.....11.7%

Total Enplaned Passengers.....724,262.....652,659.....11.0%

Total Deplaned Passengers.....752,099.....669,346.....12.4%

Total International Passengers.....51,733.....47,776.....8.3%

Total Enplaned Passengers.....26,204.....24,440......7.2%

Total Deplaned Passengers.....25,529.....23,336.....9.4%

PLANNING UPDATE
PDXNext
At the June 25, 2014 PDX CAC meeting, the Port presented the PDXNext program, a
program of strategic investments intended to position the PDX terminal to meet the
needs of the future and enhance the overall terminal experience for passengers and
tenants. To date, the Port presented information on the Terminal Balancing
Project,PDX Access Project, Phases I and II of the concessions redevelopment program and the Rental Car Quick-Turn-Around facility. We intend
to continue to provide information related to major program elements as they evolve, including terminal balancing and the terminal core refurbishment
.
Terminal Balancing (PDXNext)
As previously reported, this project is intended to alleviate the current imbalance of
passengers being served on the south side of the PDX terminal, enhance operating
efficiencies and improve customer service by extending Concourse E approximately
210 feet. The imbalance has led to operational inefficiencies for the airlines and Port
operations and has impacted customer service.
The Port paused this project in May 2016 to consider changes that have occurred since
the design began and to make sure the project will continue to meet its intended goals
including balance and flexibility. The Port has made considerable progress redesigning
the project to reflect a broad range of changes that affect gates, baggage handling,
ticketing and other core requirements. A revised concept will be presented to the
airlines this month.

Atlantic AviationWork is progressing well at Atlantic Aviation. The business aviation terminal is 40% complete with all exterior walls framed. Windows and dry wall work will be starting next week. Other site utilities work is under way with existing asphalt milling on-going.
The western hangar is approximately 40% complete. Exterior wall framing is on-going.
The eastern hangar is also underway and approximately 20% complete

lhpdx wrote:

PLANNING UPDATE
PDXNext
At the June 25, 2014 PDX CAC meeting, the Port presented the PDXNext program, a
program of strategic investments intended to position the PDX terminal to meet the
needs of the future and enhance the overall terminal experience for passengers and
tenants. To date, the Port presented information on the Terminal Balancing
Project,PDX Access Project, Phases I and II of the concessions redevelopment program and the Rental Car Quick-Turn-Around facility. We intend
to continue to provide information related to major program elements as they evolve, including terminal balancing and the terminal core refurbishment
.
Terminal Balancing (PDXNext)
As previously reported, this project is intended to alleviate the current imbalance of
passengers being served on the south side of the PDX terminal, enhance operating
efficiencies and improve customer service by extending Concourse E approximately
210 feet. The imbalance has led to operational inefficiencies for the airlines and Port
operations and has impacted customer service.
The Port paused this project in May 2016 to consider changes that have occurred since
the design began and to make sure the project will continue to meet its intended goals
including balance and flexibility. The Port has made considerable progress redesigning
the project to reflect a broad range of changes that affect gates, baggage handling,
ticketing and other core requirements. A revised concept will be presented to the
airlines this month.

Atlantic AviationWork is progressing well at Atlantic Aviation. The business aviation terminal is 40% complete with all exterior walls framed. Windows and dry wall work will be starting next week. Other site utilities work is under way with existing asphalt milling on-going.
The western hangar is approximately 40% complete. Exterior wall framing is on-going.
The eastern hangar is also underway and approximately 20% complete

I'm anxiously awaiting to see what the new revised design of CC-E extension with look like...It appears the unveiling is getting near........

This may seem trivial, but I am amazed that the PDX website doesn't mention the historic DL PDX-LHR flight in their news, yet immediately added the new AS PDX-Orlando nonstop on their page. Is it because it hasn't been formally announced? Is it because it is seasonal (couldn't be, those are announced). What gives?

KS starting PDX-LMT 5oct

32andBelow wrote:

KS starting PDX-LMT 5oct

Good catch.

http://www.penair.com/destinations/klamath-falls-or

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/PenA ... ervice.pdf

Just updated on their site. Are tickets for sale yet?

flyoregon wrote:

According to the May 2016 stats for PDX, Air Canada saw a 78% load factor with 905 total passengers over 12 flights, Icelandair saw a 65% load factor (that seems REALLY low) with 1,671 total passengers over 14 flights, and Volaris saw a 93% load factor with 4,195 total passengers over 26 flights.

For Icelandair, that is a 69.8% increase and for Volaris that is a 7.7% increase YoY.

The following numbers are compare May 2016 to May 2015.

Alaska Airlines...................................10.9%
American Airlines................................-3.9%
Compass Airlines, LLC..........................-59.1%
Delta Air Lines.....................................27.0%
Frontier Airlines...................................49.5%
Hawaiian Airlines..................................4.0%
Horizon Air...........................................-7.3%
Iceland Air...........................................69.8%
Jazz Air, LP............................................6.5%
JetBlue Airways....................................12.1%
Republic Airlines.................................-100.0%
Seaport Airlines....................................-67.2%
SkyWest Airlines....................................48.2%
Southwest Airlines.................................14.2%
Spirit Airlines Inc....................................46.5%
United Airlines.........................................9.7%
Virgin America......................................162.7%
Volaris....................................................7.7%


Total PDX Flight Operations *........................6.4%
Military..............................................-44.5%
General Aviation...................................-3.2%
Hillsboro Airport Operations........................21.4%
Troutdale Airport Operations.......................-13.9%
Total System Operations................................5.5%

For informational purposes May 2016 compared to May 2015, PDX saw an 8.3% increase in domestic passengers and a 4.2% increase in international passenger YTD.

Total Enplaned & Deplaned Passengers...1,528,094...1,369,781...11.6%

Total Enplaned Passengers.....750,466.....677,099.....10.8%
Total Deplaned Passengers.....777,628......692,682.....12.3%
Total Domestic Passengers.....1,476,361.....1,322,005.....11.7%

Total Enplaned Passengers.....724,262.....652,659.....11.0%

Total Deplaned Passengers.....752,099.....669,346.....12.4%

Total International Passengers.....51,733.....47,776.....8.3%

Total Enplaned Passengers.....26,204.....24,440......7.2%

Total Deplaned Passengers.....25,529.....23,336.....9.4%

So happy to see such healthy growth from PDX. There is bound to be a lot more growth to come.

New upcoming nonstop destinations from PDX:
LHR- Starting May 2017 on DL 763
MCO- Starting March 2017 on AS 739
LMT- Starting October 2017 on PenAir Saab 340

Going off the following list of unserved markets from PDX, where do you think we are likely to see nonstop service to next? MCO has just been announced. Surprised MIA has not been announced by AA. Rumors are flying that WN will announce PDX-BNA soon. I could also see AS trying out PDX-MSY maybe less than daily. On the international front I think its a matter of time before DL starts PDX-CDG.

DOT stats 10 largest UNSERVED markets from PDX:
1. Orlando:............ 331.44 passengers (coming March 2017 on AS)
2. Miami (metro):....265.11
3. New Orleans:......151.11
4. Nashville:............111.67
5. Indianapolis:........97.89
6. Cleveland:...........82.11
7. Ft. Myers:............71.89
8. Pittsburgh:...........70.33
9. Cincinnati:............68.22
10. Columbus:..........66.33

"6. Cleveland:...........82.11 "

Frontier flies this route...

I just heard that the POP will not build the concourse E extension for Horizon and Alaska will stay where they are. The POP will add mainline gates to the E concourse and move a airline over from the other side. Maybe American or Southwest will move over to the north side? The airlines will be voting on this proposal at the end of the month.

ramprat74 wrote:

I just heard that the POP will not build the concourse E extension for Horizon and Alaska will stay where they are. The POP will add mainline gates to the E concourse and move a airline over from the other side. Maybe American or Southwest will move over to the north side? The airlines will be voting on this proposal at the end of the month.

That is big news, this has been the big mystery for us PDX fans. I think AS still needs a way better space than A for QX or KS.

I know AA in the last year has moved to the gates around the end of C, many speculated that maybe we'd be seeing larger aircraft from AA, but AA & AS in the same terminal is nicer than schleping from halfway up D.

ramprat74 wrote:

I just heard that the POP will not build the concourse E extension for Horizon and Alaska will stay where they are. The POP will add mainline gates to the E concourse and move a airline over from the other side. Maybe American or Southwest will move over to the north side? The airlines will be voting on this proposal at the end of the month.

I wonder how many gates are they planning to add to Concourse e?

I am sure they can add 4-5 mainline gates no problem. It seems to me thought that the bigger issue is bag claim space - there are times where the claim area is packed, with multiple flights on a single carousel and the vehicle traffic on the lower roadway is getting pretty bad at times. But adding capacity now is better than waiting too long. I wonder if they can also expand "D". I know when Delta had the hub, there was talk of pushing D out for another 2-3 gates.

They can probably build 6 more gates onto E. They would have to move the E5 jetway more east to line up the new gates. The port replaced the asphalt with concrete a few years ago on the E6 ramp, so they can save time building the new extension and not have to worry about the ramp area,

I wonder if Horizon could fit their future Q400 ops into concourse B? Then maybe keep Pen Air in that small hold room when you go down the escalator towards A. Then the Port can raze concourse A. Alaska can run all their E-175 ops from the C concourse.