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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:15 am

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ramprat74 wrote:
Delta had 2 Crown Rooms at PDX back in their gateway days. The one not being used is upstairs between D5 and D7. You can see the windows over looking the concourse.


I'm pretty sure the upstairs one is being used again. You can see people up there.


The current delta club is between D5 and D7. The second delta club was between D9 and D11. Currently that space sits vacant. With PDX growing so much Internationally I'd expect the vacant lounge space to be leased out eventually.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:36 pm

Pdx handled 1.7 million passengers in June 2016! I think that is a record.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/June2016webstats.pdf

17.6 million passengers fiscal year to date. It's possible we will hit 18 million passengers for the entire year 2016.

Condor had a 99.6% load factor
Icelandair had an 82% load factor
Air Canada PDX-YYZ had an 88% load factor.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:47 pm

Wow! An 11% increase in international passengers with a 3% increase in flight frequencies. Since DL is still running an 333 to AMS daily it would seem that demand for seats to Europe are pretty strong. Condor's load factors make me wonder if LH would still be around were it not for the financial downturn.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:53 pm

ANA787 wrote:
Pdx handled 1.7 million passengers in June 2016! I think that is a record.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/June2016webstats.pdf

17.6 million passengers fiscal year to date. It's possible we will hit 18 million passengers for the entire year 2016.

Condor had a 99.6% load factor
Icelandair had an 82% load factor
Air Canada PDX-YYZ had an 88% load factor.


Beat me to it! Thanks for posting.

With a healthy AC load factor, I wish they'd make it year round. I still don't understand why SLC-YYZ on AC is year-round.

Condor and FI should go year-round too. They're doing very, very well. I wonder if the KEF delays are part of the lower LF for FI?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:01 pm

ANA787 wrote:
Pdx handled 1.7 million passengers in June 2016! I think that is a record.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/June2016webstats.pdf

17.6 million passengers fiscal year to date. It's possible we will hit 18 million passengers for the entire year 2016.

Condor had a 99.6% load factor
Icelandair had an 82% load factor
Air Canada PDX-YYZ had an 88% load factor.


Impressive numbers.

Can anyone figure out how PenAir is doing with their Portland operations? If I'm doing the math right, they've got an average of less than 12 passengers per flight. Any idea if some of their routes are doing better than others?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:51 am

I noticed again tonight (Aug 2) that Condor is operating 2x flights PDX-FRA.

Based on the flt#s, I assume it's making up for a mechanical delay here in PDX, but, it's also the second time I've seen it in the last 30 days or so.
First time, the planes were not more than 10 minutes separated, tonight it looks like they are on different tracks about an hour apart.

What's up?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:02 am

BlatantEcho wrote:
I noticed again tonight (Aug 2) that Condor is operating 2x flights PDX-FRA.

Based on the flt#s, I assume it's making up for a mechanical delay here in PDX, but, it's also the second time I've seen it in the last 30 days or so.
First time, the planes were not more than 10 minutes separated, tonight it looks like they are on different tracks about an hour apart.

What's up?


Mode S issues. Only 1 plane was here.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:16 pm

PDX757 wrote:
Wow! An 11% increase in international passengers with a 3% increase in flight frequencies. Since DL is still running an 333 to AMS daily it would seem that demand for seats to Europe are pretty strong. Condor's load factors make me wonder if LH would still be around were it not for the financial downturn.


LH is definitely missing out in PDX, especially with Condor's impressive load factors. However, Condor does have interline with LH from FRA so its the next best thing. If Condor continues to see these very high 90s load factors I could see them expanding in PDX even more. Every flight they have had to PDX has been 99-98% full since they started service last year. DE went from 2x/week in summer 2015 to 4x/week this summer 2016. For season 2017 I see Condor will be starting PDX from the beginning of May with 3x/week service PDX-FRA...going to 4x/week service next summer again. I wouldn't be surprised to see Condor go year round from PDX and also add PDX-MUC in the near future.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:39 pm

ANA787 wrote:
PDX757 wrote:
Wow! An 11% increase in international passengers with a 3% increase in flight frequencies. Since DL is still running an 333 to AMS daily it would seem that demand for seats to Europe are pretty strong. Condor's load factors make me wonder if LH would still be around were it not for the financial downturn.


LH is definitely missing out in PDX, especially with Condor's impressive load factors. However, Condor does have interline with LH from FRA so its the next best thing. If Condor continues to see these very high 90s load factors I could see them expanding in PDX even more. Every flight they have had to PDX has been 99-98% full since they started service last year. DE went from 2x/week in summer 2015 to 4x/week this summer 2016. For season 2017 I see Condor will be starting PDX from the beginning of May with 3x/week service PDX-FRA...going to 4x/week service next summer again. I wouldn't be surprised to see Condor go year round from PDX and also add PDX-MUC in the near future.


You could be right, though there will be increased competition to Europe next summer as DL adds LHR. Not sure what Icelandair is planning for PDX next season, but they could increase frequency as well.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:44 am

Quick PDX update on the Terminal Balancing project:

Bill Wyatt stated today at the POP monthly meeting, that all of the airlines at PDX have agreed to significantly extend CC-E and that the project will move ahead....Well see more detail soon...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:47 am

Airnerd wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
Can anyone figure out how PenAir is doing with their Portland operations? If I'm doing the math right, they've got an average of less than 12 passengers per flight. Any idea if some of their routes are doing better than others?

I don't have any numbers, but from the CEC paper (The Triplicate), CEC-PDX ridership has increased by an average of 2 passengers per flight (I have no idea what the starting point was). And it reported no cancelled flights from CEC for the month of July - an all time record. Historically service was to SFO, and we know how poorly the small craft manage there. [Performance has sucked in the last few days, though.]
Then this morning, the Eureka paper (The Times-Standard) reported KS is lowering the ACV-PDX fares to match the CEC fares, noting that folks won't have to continue driving up to CEC to get a better fare. Obviously from that, ACV notes it's lost traffic to little CEC. CEC still has free parking, however, and ACV is pretty pricey for small town, so it could still make a difference on a long trip away from home.
I don't have any reports on RDD.

KS really needs to expand their interline agreements so they can feed more flights ex-PDX. AA is the obvious gap. I keep having to go out of MFR for that reason, driving 2 3/4 hours rather than 15 minutes, with free parking. Sigh.....
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:35 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
Airnerd wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
Then this morning, the Eureka paper (The Times-Standard) reported KS is lowering the ACV-PDX fares to match the CEC fares, noting that folks won't have to continue driving up to CEC to get a better fare.


I saw this news yesterday too. I think it will make a big difference, the fares are dropping by a pretty significant amount from around $400 RT ACV-PDX-ACV to more like $270. I wonder if the connecting fares booked through AS will also come down by a similar amount. The schedule shift of the morning flight to a 6:40 departure might help too, although I'm guessing it will reduce connection opportunities at PDX, which could hurt.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:09 pm

What happened to Southwest's seasonal nonstop from Portland to Baltimore? They just added Sacramento-BWI year round. Portland-WAS nonstop seems way underserved:

Alaska, to DCA 1 daily/year round
United, to Dulles 1 daily but 0 during Jan/Feb.
Southwest, to BWI discontinued??
831 passengers daily between PDX and WAS.

Meanwhile, Seattle has:
3-4 daily to IAD
2 daily to DCA
2-3 daily to BWI
1,796 daily passengers SEA-WAS
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:20 pm

I think the problem is on the other end. Passengers largely prefer DCA, so I'm willing to bet that many passengers are more willing to do PDX-SEA-DCA than a nonstop PDX-BWI/IAD. And nobody can add more PDX-DCA right now (outside of flexing one of those few slots that can be). Is it possible to get numbers on a connecting route like that?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:20 pm

I thought WN had really moved away from a lot of their trans-con flights in the past few years, preferring to route people on two or three shorter flights.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:57 am

jbpdx wrote:
What happened to Southwest's seasonal nonstop from Portland to Baltimore? They just added Sacramento-BWI year round. Portland-WAS nonstop seems way underserved:

Alaska, to DCA 1 daily/year round
United, to Dulles 1 daily but 0 during Jan/Feb.
Southwest, to BWI discontinued??
831 passengers daily between PDX and WAS.

Meanwhile, Seattle has:
3-4 daily to IAD
2 daily to DCA
2-3 daily to BWI
1,796 daily passengers SEA-WAS


That is weird! I was at PDX on 15JUL and it flew then because I saw it. It seems like it wouldn't have ended this early, but ya never know. Tonight WN had a flight from PDX to Everett at 1000P, per flypdx.com flight info. Anyone heard any updates regarding PDXNext??
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:42 am

pdx wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
What happened to Southwest's seasonal nonstop from Portland to Baltimore? They just added Sacramento-BWI year round. Portland-WAS nonstop seems way underserved:

Alaska, to DCA 1 daily/year round
United, to Dulles 1 daily but 0 during Jan/Feb.
Southwest, to BWI discontinued??
831 passengers daily between PDX and WAS.

Meanwhile, Seattle has:
3-4 daily to IAD
2 daily to DCA
2-3 daily to BWI
1,796 daily passengers SEA-WAS


That is weird! I was at PDX on 15JUL and it flew then because I saw it. It seems like it wouldn't have ended this early, but ya never know. Tonight WN had a flight from PDX to Everett at 1000P, per flypdx.com flight info. Anyone heard any updates regarding PDXNext??



Quick PDX update on the Terminal Balancing project:

Bill Wyatt stated today at the POP monthly meeting, that all of the airlines at PDX have agreed to significantly extend CC-E and that the project will move ahead....Well see more detail soon...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:51 pm

PENDLETON, Ore. (AP) — The Pendleton City Council voted unanimously to drop SeaPort Airlines in favor of San Francisco-based Boutique Air.
The East Oregonian reports (http://bit.ly/2bBjObl ) Boutique will provide 21 round-trip flights per week from Pendleton to Portland with an option to add an additional round trip, which could go to either Seattle or Boise, Idaho.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:58 pm

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PENDLETON, Ore. (AP) — The Pendleton City Council voted unanimously to drop SeaPort Airlines in favor of San Francisco-based Boutique Air.
The East Oregonian reports (http://bit.ly/2bBjObl ) Boutique will provide 21 round-trip flights per week from Pendleton to Portland with an option to add an additional round trip, which could go to either Seattle or Boise, Idaho.

Interesting. So this would be the nail in the coffin for seaport's pnw operations, correct? I wonder if PDT is an airport Penair had their eyes on.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:04 pm

jbpdx wrote:
PENDLETON, Ore. (AP) — The Pendleton City Council voted unanimously to drop SeaPort Airlines in favor of San Francisco-based Boutique Air.
The East Oregonian reports (http://bit.ly/2bBjObl ) Boutique will provide 21 round-trip flights per week from Pendleton to Portland with an option to add an additional round trip, which could go to either Seattle or Boise, Idaho.


This article repeats what many of u here in the Northwest have been saying about SeaPort & it's aircraft. Good riddance. As far as PDT being on the KS radar, Yes & No, PDT does not have TSA, so there is no interest by KS in picking up PDT, if there were to be TSA, then I could see KS being interested in bidding, in two years when this Boutique Air contract comes up again.

Another new carrier at PDX. So is K5 even around any longer? I guess their namesake is no longer part of the operation, I'd change the name if it's still flying people around.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:12 pm

PDX757 wrote:
Interesting. So this would be the nail in the coffin for seaport's pnw operations, correct? I wonder if PDT is an airport Penair had their eyes on.


Hopefully its the nail in the coffin for all of the operation.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:31 am

RWA380 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
PENDLETON, Ore. (AP) — The Pendleton City Council voted unanimously to drop SeaPort Airlines in favor of San Francisco-based Boutique Air.
The East Oregonian reports (http://bit.ly/2bBjObl ) Boutique will provide 21 round-trip flights per week from Pendleton to Portland with an option to add an additional round trip, which could go to either Seattle or Boise, Idaho.


This article repeats what many of u here in the Northwest have been saying about SeaPort & it's aircraft. Good riddance. As far as PDT being on the KS radar, Yes & No, PDT does not have TSA, so there is no interest by KS in picking up PDT, if there were to be TSA, then I could see KS being interested in bidding, in two years when this Boutique Air contract comes up again.

Another new carrier at PDX. So is K5 even around any longer? I guess their namesake is no longer part of the operation, I'd change the name if it's still flying people around.


There is really no point in a name change. I bet the vast majority of the few pax that fly them in Memphis, Houston, El Dorado, Harrison, or Hot Springs have any inclination as to where name came from, and probably don't care. At least they would still serve a seaport city in Houston lol.

Since new federal bill mandating TSA to operate at an airport if a party interested if they lost it very recently; wouldn't this make the TSA go into PDT if PenAir bid and won the award there? I love how some of the news stories on this state it as if the Pendleton council vote is the decision to get Boutique in. Missing the part about the DOT having final say.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:37 am

BTW, B6 has a fare for PDX-ANC for $110.00 r/t for September travel
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:56 am

pdx wrote:
That is weird! I was at PDX on 15JUL and it flew then because I saw it. It seems like it wouldn't have ended this early, but ya never know. Tonight WN had a flight from PDX to Everett at 1000P, per flypdx.com flight info. Anyone heard any updates regarding PDXNext??

I don't recall the exact start / end dates, but PDX-BWI ran until last weekend or the weekend before, I believe. Surprising that they didn't run until at least Labor Day, but it did run seasonally for at least part of the summertime.

Yes, I think Washington area is underserved, but I'd love for a year-round nonstop PDX-PHL, preferably on AS, preferably daytime PDX-PHL, evening PHL-PDX vs. the redeye PDX-PHL that AA offers seasonally. I'm encouraged by upcoming addition of PDX-EWR.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:52 am

RWA380 wrote:
BTW, B6 has a fare for PDX-ANC for $110.00 r/t for September travel


Really good fare! And (as of right now) PDXANC 03SEP is $29! JFKPDX 04SEP was $49, but now sold-out. Labor Day specials!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:45 am

Did Frontier cancel the Portland-Cleveland nonstop?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:51 am

Maybe this has been discussed, but where do you all prefer to spot at pdx? The garage is mediocre at best and the two turn offs on marine drive have 'no parking' signs, I've been ushered along a couple times by the cops. The cell phone waiting area is passable for landings.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:17 pm

PDX seems to have really gone in a spotter-unfriendly direction in thr past ten years or so, then again, so has SEA which is probably even worse for spotting.
The best places now at PDX are probably the bar on Marine Drive at the western end, and one of the parking lots off 82nd on the other end. However, these are only good for takeoffs and landings, you won't get much else. And the traffic has to be flowing in the right direction.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:30 pm

If the planes are landing 28R/28L, then you can do some decent spotting from the Target parking lot. Plus there's a Wendy's there so you can grab a Baconator while you watch the birds on final approach.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:42 pm

One of the cops was pretty cool and said there was a spot near the airport fire station that didn't have any no parking signs and would be okay. It was pretty late at that time and most arrivals were done with so I never really checked it out. I remember 15 years ago there were a few more turn outs on marine drive where you could stop without getting ushered along.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:11 pm

Terminal E balancing extension update:

CC-E will be extended to the east about 750 feet, adding gate capacity of 6 additional gates here at PDX. At this time there aren't any good rendering to share.........
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:19 pm

Eugene & Medford are doing very well.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:14 am

So Menzies is laying off permanently 180+ jobs at PDX by end of October. They do underwing for AS here at PDX, correct? Is this a sign of AS taking their ramp back or just a market adjustment?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:48 am

For what it's worth, I caught a couple of commercials during the Olympics broadcast on MFR TV over the weekend (visiting Jacksonville for the Britt music festival) by LMT Klamath Falls Airport featuring the pending PenAir/KS PDX service. Looked like possibly a co-op LMT/KS production, and included the AS Mileage Plan connection with KS as well. Good to see some support for that new service. I hope it does well, especially since I read about the economic decline in K Falls over the weekend as well. KS does seem to be pretty good at community exposure: they sponsor events here in CEC and advertise locally on radio and in the paper. We only get Eureka (ACV) television here, but since I don't watch anything but PBS except Olympics, NFL and some award shows, I haven't seen if they are advertising the ACV-PDX service there.

Meanwhile, after a record zero flight cancellations in CEC for July (per the local paper), they've had sucky performance with lots of delays and cancellations in the last couple of weeks. Anybody have info on what's going on? I fear they are spreading themselves too thin with the PDX expansion and now the DEN roll-out. I have my sister-in-law booked with them in a few weeks, and they've been misconnecting to the last PDX-SMF flight of the day a lot.
I've noticed a few flights positioning between CEC and UAO/Aurora OR per Flight Aware: are those F.A. glitches, or are they doing maintenance at UAO rather than PDX?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:09 am

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So Menzies is laying off permanently 180+ jobs at PDX by end of October. They do underwing for AS here at PDX, correct? Is this a sign of AS taking their ramp back or just a market adjustment?


http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/new ... d-why.html

Here's a little bit more supportive information..................
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:08 am

Thanks LHPDX, I knew it was something just like that. Thanks for the post, I saw the story on the KGW 5pm news tonight.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:10 am

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Maybe this has been discussed, but where do you all prefer to spot at pdx? The garage is mediocre at best and the two turn offs on marine drive have 'no parking' signs, I've been ushered along a couple times by the cops. The cell phone waiting area is passable for landings.


If you like to watch arrivals like me, you can't beat the parking garage top deck if they're landing on 10L or 28L. For 10R, I don't know. For 28R, a room at the Hampton Inn facing the runway is great!! Other than that, the Sheraton/Hampton parking lots work for 28R if the shrubbery isn't in the way. I used to park on Marine Drive next to the hot dog wagon! Anybody remember that?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:27 am

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Thanks LHPDX, I knew it was something just like that. Thanks for the post, I saw the story on the KGW 5pm news tonight.


You're most welcome RWA380!....I just learned today that CC-E will be extended to the east about 750 feet, adding gate capacity of 6 additional gates at PDX. The originally design E extension was around 210 ft.......
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:28 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
For what it's worth, I caught a couple of commercials during the Olympics broadcast on MFR TV over the weekend (visiting Jacksonville for the Britt music festival) by LMT Klamath Falls Airport featuring the pending PenAir/KS PDX service. Looked like possibly a co-op LMT/KS production, and included the AS Mileage Plan connection with KS as well. Good to see some support for that new service. I hope it does well, especially since I read about the economic decline in K Falls over the weekend as well. KS does seem to be pretty good at community exposure: they sponsor events here in CEC and advertise locally on radio and in the paper. We only get Eureka (ACV) television here, but since I don't watch anything but PBS except Olympics, NFL and some award shows, I haven't seen if they are advertising the ACV-PDX service there.

Meanwhile, after a record zero flight cancellations in CEC for July (per the local paper), they've had sucky performance with lots of delays and cancellations in the last couple of weeks. Anybody have info on what's going on? I fear they are spreading themselves too thin with the PDX expansion and now the DEN roll-out. I have my sister-in-law booked with them in a few weeks, and they've been misconnecting to the last PDX-SMF flight of the day a lot.
I've noticed a few flights positioning between CEC and UAO/Aurora OR per Flight Aware: are those F.A. glitches, or are they doing maintenance at UAO rather than PDX?


If they're having delays now, the winter months could be problematic for them. How well does a SF3 do in fog, PDX south wind events (crosswind runway), and strong east winds? I'm sure they'd cancel if there's snow or ice...as would most airlines depending upon the severity. Of course they are used to flying in Alaska!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:20 am

With the PDX expansion, ops at BOS and now DEN, all in addition to Alaska flying, are Penair going to need to pick up some more frames?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:31 am

lhpdx wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Thanks LHPDX, I knew it was something just like that. Thanks for the post, I saw the story on the KGW 5pm news tonight.


You're most welcome RWA380!....I just learned today that CC-E will be extended to the east about 750 feet, adding gate capacity of 6 additional gates at PDX. The originally design E extension was around 210 ft.......


interesting, so with six gates spread out over 750 feet of frontage is about 125 feet per gate. right above the maximum wingspan of the 737NG which is '117.5
are these gates going to Alaska/Horizon after all? or are they moving some of others from Concourse C over to E?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:55 am

DBun wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Thanks LHPDX, I knew it was something just like that. Thanks for the post, I saw the story on the KGW 5pm news tonight.


You're most welcome RWA380!....I just learned today that CC-E will be extended to the east about 750 feet, adding gate capacity of 6 additional gates at PDX. The originally design E extension was around 210 ft.......


interesting, so with six gates spread out over 750 feet of frontage is about 125 feet per gate. right above the maximum wingspan of the 737NG which is '117.5
are these gates going to Alaska/Horizon after all? or are they moving some of others from Concourse C over to E?


So much has changed at PDX since the original design was presented. It wouldn't surprise me at this stage that WN is actually the airline that's relocating from CC-C................
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:40 pm

lhpdx wrote:
DBun wrote:
lhpdx wrote:

You're most welcome RWA380!....I just learned today that CC-E will be extended to the east about 750 feet, adding gate capacity of 6 additional gates at PDX. The originally design E extension was around 210 ft.......


interesting, so with six gates spread out over 750 feet of frontage is about 125 feet per gate. right above the maximum wingspan of the 737NG which is '117.5
are these gates going to Alaska/Horizon after all? or are they moving some of others from Concourse C over to E?


So much has changed at PDX since the original design was presented. It wouldn't surprise me at this stage that WN is actually the airline that's relocating from CC-C................


How many gates is WN currently using? is it about six?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:13 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Did Frontier cancel the Portland-Cleveland nonstop?


Checking the original Frontier press release from January, it appears they have pulled the plug on the PDX-CLE nonstop. Although the press release didn't mention seasonal, the other new routes that began in April including to LAX and SFO continue through October.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:09 pm

PDX July passenger statistics are out.

PDX handled 1.8 million passengers in July 2016, a 5.5% increase over July 2015. Year to date, passenger numbers are up 9.1%.

International passenger numbers are up 17.3%. Wow.

Condor had a 92% load factor at 4x/week service to FRA.
IcelandAir had an 89.3% load factor at 4x/week service to KEF.
SunCountry had a 69% load factor at 5x/week service to MSP.
Air Canada to Toronto had a 93% load factor at daily service.
Volaris to GDL had a load factor of 94.3%.
Hawaiian Airlines had a 98% load factor on the daily A330 to HNL. Cargo on this HA route to HNL was also up 29%. Flights are not cheap on Hawaiian for PDX-Hawaii. They seem to be raking it in at PDX.

Also worth to note, Delta continues to increase their marketshare at PDX. Delta passenger numbers at PDX were up 13.4%.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/July2016webstats.pdf



At this current growth rate, PDX will easily break 18 million passengers for the entire year 2016.

With PDX adding new nonstops on AS to EWR, MCO, SUN, DL adding a nonstop to LHR, PenAir adding a nonstop to Klamath Falls, the growth at PDX will only continue.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:32 pm

Interesting that AS/QX traffic declined from last July.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:34 pm

ANA787 wrote:
PDX July passenger statistics are out.

PDX handled 1.8 million passengers in July 2016, a 5.5% increase over July 2015. Year to date, passenger numbers are up 9.1%.

International passenger numbers are up 17.3%. Wow.

Condor had a 92% load factor at 4x/week service to FRA.
IcelandAir had an 89.3% load factor at 4x/week service to KEF.
SunCountry had a 69% load factor at 5x/week service to MSP.
Air Canada to Toronto had a 93% load factor at daily service.
Volaris to GDL had a load factor of 94.3%.
Hawaiian Airlines had a 98% load factor on the daily A330 to HNL. Cargo on this HA route to HNL was also up 29%. Flights are not cheap on Hawaiian for PDX-Hawaii. They seem to be raking it in at PDX.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/July2016webstats.pdf



Thanks for the report ANA 787!! Those are great numbers indeed........I wonder if HA will re-start their Maui service soon?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:36 pm

Airnerd wrote:
Interesting that AS/QX traffic declined from last July.


Actually, overall I believe AS/QX is still up...the new AS/QX E175 operations from PDX are operated by "skywest airlines." SkyWest was up 63%.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:45 pm

lhpdx wrote:


Thanks for the report ANA 787!! Those are great numbers indeed........I wonder if HA will re-start their Maui service soon?


It would't surprise me to see HA restart PDX-OGG as soon as they receive their A321neos in 2017.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Condor expand even more at PDX. Condor has been a huge success at PDX with high load factors for every month of service since the start of their PDX service. Condor doubled their PDX service this summer 2016 to 4x/week and still managed to obtain a 92% LF. I could see Condor eventually going year round to FRA from PDX by flying 2x/week in the Winter and adding a 2x/week Summer PDX-Munich service on the days that their PDX-Frankfurt service does not operate(as they will be doing from SEA next year Summer 2017).

I can also see British Airways adding PDX service if this growth continues.

Delta adding a PDX-CDG flight is probably not too far away either (I am surprised they added PDX-LHR before CDG)>

And AA adding a much needed nonstop PDX-Miami flight is probably right around the corner.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:40 pm

ANA787 wrote:
Airnerd wrote:
Interesting that AS/QX traffic declined from last July.


Actually, overall I believe AS/QX is still up...the new AS/QX E175 operations from PDX are operated by "skywest airlines." SkyWest was up 63%.



That makes sense. Thanks!
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