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flyoregon
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:42 pm

ANA787 wrote:
PDX July passenger statistics are out.

PDX handled 1.8 million passengers in July 2016, a 5.5% increase over July 2015. Year to date, passenger numbers are up 9.1%.

International passenger numbers are up 17.3%. Wow.

Condor had a 92% load factor at 4x/week service to FRA.
IcelandAir had an 89.3% load factor at 4x/week service to KEF.
SunCountry had a 69% load factor at 5x/week service to MSP.
Air Canada to Toronto had a 93% load factor at daily service.
Volaris to GDL had a load factor of 94.3%.
Hawaiian Airlines had a 98% load factor on the daily A330 to HNL. Cargo on this HA route to HNL was also up 29%. Flights are not cheap on Hawaiian for PDX-Hawaii. They seem to be raking it in at PDX.

Also worth to note, Delta continues to increase their marketshare at PDX. Delta passenger numbers at PDX were up 13.4%.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/July2016webstats.pdf



At this current growth rate, PDX will easily break 18 million passengers for the entire year 2016.

With PDX adding new nonstops on AS to EWR, MCO, SUN, DL adding a nonstop to LHR, PenAir adding a nonstop to Klamath Falls, the growth at PDX will only continue.



I'm curious to know how you are calculating the load factors, because to my calculations Sun Country is doing much better than the 69% you reported. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I likely am), the Sun Country flights in July had 3,167 inbound passenger and 28 total inbound flights. With a 737-700 mostly on the route with 126 seats, that's an 89.7% load factor.

Otherwise, that data looks incredible. FI, DE, and Y4 are killing it. Year-round is around the corner for FI I'm sure. DE would obviously do very well year-round also. And AC...I still don't understand why it's seasonal while SLC is year-round on the YYZ route. Nevertheless, happy to see the numbers.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:02 pm

According to the latest OAG changes update, Sun Country is cutting frequency PDX-MSP in April.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:22 pm

flyoregon wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
PDX July passenger statistics are out.

PDX handled 1.8 million passengers in July 2016, a 5.5% increase over July 2015. Year to date, passenger numbers are up 9.1%.

International passenger numbers are up 17.3%. Wow.

Condor had a 92% load factor at 4x/week service to FRA.
IcelandAir had an 89.3% load factor at 4x/week service to KEF.
SunCountry had a 69% load factor at 5x/week service to MSP.
Air Canada to Toronto had a 93% load factor at daily service.
Volaris to GDL had a load factor of 94.3%.
Hawaiian Airlines had a 98% load factor on the daily A330 to HNL. Cargo on this HA route to HNL was also up 29%. Flights are not cheap on Hawaiian for PDX-Hawaii. They seem to be raking it in at PDX.

Also worth to note, Delta continues to increase their marketshare at PDX. Delta passenger numbers at PDX were up 13.4%.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/July2016webstats.pdf



At this current growth rate, PDX will easily break 18 million passengers for the entire year 2016.

With PDX adding new nonstops on AS to EWR, MCO, SUN, DL adding a nonstop to LHR, PenAir adding a nonstop to Klamath Falls, the growth at PDX will only continue.



I'm curious to know how you are calculating the load factors, because to my calculations Sun Country is doing much better than the 69% you reported. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I likely am), the Sun Country flights in July had 3,167 inbound passenger and 28 total inbound flights. With a 737-700 mostly on the route with 126 seats, that's an 89.7% load factor.

Otherwise, that data looks incredible. FI, DE, and Y4 are killing it. Year-round is around the corner for FI I'm sure. DE would obviously do very well year-round also. And AC...I still don't understand why it's seasonal while SLC is year-round on the YYZ route. Nevertheless, happy to see the numbers.


According to schedules, sun country has been using the 738 to PDX. However it's possible that 737-700 has been used on a few occasions.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:23 am

ANA787 wrote:

According to schedules, sun country has been using the 738 to PDX. However it's possible that 737-700 has been used on a few occasions.


Or almost all the time:

25-Aug-2016 B738 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:05AM CDT 11:25AM PDT Scheduled
22-Aug-2016 B738 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:10AM CDT 11:26AM PDT 3:16
21-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:06AM CDT 11:13AM PDT 3:07
20-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:02AM CDT 11:10AM PDT 3:07
19-Aug-2016 B738 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:31AM CDT 11:40AM PDT 3:09
18-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:07AM CDT 11:15AM PDT 3:08
15-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:04AM CDT 11:06AM PDT 3:02
14-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:11AM PDT 3:08
13-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:02AM CDT 11:09AM PDT 3:07
12-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:01AM CDT 11:09AM PDT 3:08
11-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:37AM CDT 11:43AM PDT 3:06
08-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:07AM CDT 11:17AM PDT 3:10
07-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:08AM CDT 11:19AM PDT 3:11
06-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:18AM CDT 11:27AM PDT 3:09
05-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:05AM CDT 11:20AM PDT 3:14
04-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:04AM CDT 11:30AM PDT 3:25
01-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:18AM PDT 3:15
31-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:02AM CDT 11:17AM PDT 3:15
30-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:19AM CDT 11:35AM PDT 3:16
29-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 09:56AM CDT 11:06AM PDT 3:10
28-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:04AM CDT 11:11AM PDT 3:07
25-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:04AM CDT 11:05AM PDT 3:01
24-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:05AM CDT 11:10AM PDT 3:05
23-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 12:20PM CDT 01:33PM PDT 3:12
22-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:09AM CDT 11:30AM PDT 3:21
21-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:34AM CDT 11:55AM PDT 3:21
18-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 09:58AM CDT 11:21AM PDT 3:23
17-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 09:57AM CDT 11:08AM PDT 3:11
16-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:17AM CDT 11:34AM PDT 3:17
15-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:44AM CDT 11:59AM PDT 3:14
14-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:15AM PDT 3:12
11-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:08AM CDT 11:14AM PDT 3:06
10-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:21AM PDT 3:18
09-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:33AM CDT 11:55AM PDT 3:22
08-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:16AM PDT 3:13
07-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:06AM CDT 11:26AM PDT 3:20
04-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:00AM CDT 11:29AM PDT 3:28
03-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:22AM PDT 3:18
02-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:06AM CDT 11:21AM PDT 3:14
01-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 09:58AM CDT 11:14AM PDT 3:15
30-Jun-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:08AM CDT 11:24AM PDT 3:15
27-Jun-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:01AM CDT 11:17AM PDT 3:15
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:18 am

flyoregon wrote:
ANA787 wrote:

According to schedules, sun country has been using the 738 to PDX. However it's possible that 737-700 has been used on a few occasions.


Or almost all the time:

25-Aug-2016 B738 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:05AM CDT 11:25AM PDT Scheduled
22-Aug-2016 B738 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:10AM CDT 11:26AM PDT 3:16
21-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:06AM CDT 11:13AM PDT 3:07
20-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:02AM CDT 11:10AM PDT 3:07
19-Aug-2016 B738 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:31AM CDT 11:40AM PDT 3:09
18-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:07AM CDT 11:15AM PDT 3:08
15-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:04AM CDT 11:06AM PDT 3:02
14-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:11AM PDT 3:08
13-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:02AM CDT 11:09AM PDT 3:07
12-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:01AM CDT 11:09AM PDT 3:08
11-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:37AM CDT 11:43AM PDT 3:06
08-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:07AM CDT 11:17AM PDT 3:10
07-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:08AM CDT 11:19AM PDT 3:11
06-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:18AM CDT 11:27AM PDT 3:09
05-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:05AM CDT 11:20AM PDT 3:14
04-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:04AM CDT 11:30AM PDT 3:25
01-Aug-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:18AM PDT 3:15
31-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:02AM CDT 11:17AM PDT 3:15
30-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:19AM CDT 11:35AM PDT 3:16
29-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 09:56AM CDT 11:06AM PDT 3:10
28-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:04AM CDT 11:11AM PDT 3:07
25-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:04AM CDT 11:05AM PDT 3:01
24-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:05AM CDT 11:10AM PDT 3:05
23-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 12:20PM CDT 01:33PM PDT 3:12
22-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:09AM CDT 11:30AM PDT 3:21
21-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:34AM CDT 11:55AM PDT 3:21
18-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 09:58AM CDT 11:21AM PDT 3:23
17-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 09:57AM CDT 11:08AM PDT 3:11
16-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:17AM CDT 11:34AM PDT 3:17
15-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:44AM CDT 11:59AM PDT 3:14
14-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:15AM PDT 3:12
11-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:08AM CDT 11:14AM PDT 3:06
10-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:21AM PDT 3:18
09-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:33AM CDT 11:55AM PDT 3:22
08-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:16AM PDT 3:13
07-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:06AM CDT 11:26AM PDT 3:20
04-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:00AM CDT 11:29AM PDT 3:28
03-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:03AM CDT 11:22AM PDT 3:18
02-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:06AM CDT 11:21AM PDT 3:14
01-Jul-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 09:58AM CDT 11:14AM PDT 3:15
30-Jun-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:08AM CDT 11:24AM PDT 3:15
27-Jun-2016 B737 Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) Portland Intl (KPDX) 10:01AM CDT 11:17AM PDT 3:15


Thanks Oregon. Feel free to update with the correct LF.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:12 am

PDX757 wrote:
So this would be the nail in the coffin for seaport's pnw operations, correct?


Yes they'd be losing their only current PNW route, but there's talk of opening a new non EAS city so as to not close the PDX operation.

RWA380 wrote:
This article repeats what many of u here in the Northwest have been saying about SeaPort & it's aircraft. Good riddance.


It's been a huge 180 from where we were before the bankruptcy. Our operational stats are some of the highest they've ever been. There hasn't been enough time for everyone to notice yet, but the airline and morale are quickly improving. Hopefully people stop wishing failure on us and are actually happy things are turning around.

twincommander wrote:
Hopefully its the nail in the coffin for all of the operation.


Sorry if SeaPort hurt you in any way, but you don't need to wish me any my colleagues out of a job. We're not terrible people.

mtnwest1979 wrote:
I bet the vast majority of the few pax that fly them in Memphis, Houston, El Dorado, Harrison, or Hot Springs have any inclination as to where name came from, and probably don't care.


A lot of airline names don't make sense anymore. Passengers don't care they're flying "Southwest" from MDW-LGA, or "Alaska" from SEA-BOS.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:11 am

PDX88 wrote:

twincommander wrote:
Hopefully its the nail in the coffin for all of the operation.


Sorry if SeaPort hurt you in any way, but you don't need to wish me any my colleagues out of a job. We're not terrible people.



The workers of Seaport were never my problem. Management is my problem. Now that Seaport is owned by the same people who own ADI (which is another company to be leery of) Y'all got an uphill battle if you want to stay alive.

Now, think about all the communities that they built up, touted as the next big thing, only to quietly and deliberately pull out in the middle of the night to avoid the angry citizens. Hell, even PDT is sick of it.

I'm happy to see you have pride for your employer, it shows good character. But PLEASE see what they have done.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:03 pm

ANA787 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:


Thanks for the report ANA 787!! Those are great numbers indeed........I wonder if HA will re-start their Maui service soon?


It would't surprise me to see HA restart PDX-OGG as soon as they receive their A321neos in 2017.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Condor expand even more at PDX. Condor has been a huge success at PDX with high load factors for every month of service since the start of their PDX service. Condor doubled their PDX service this summer 2016 to 4x/week and still managed to obtain a 92% LF. I could see Condor eventually going year round to FRA from PDX by flying 2x/week in the Winter and adding a 2x/week Summer PDX-Munich service on the days that their PDX-Frankfurt service does not operate(as they will be doing from SEA next year Summer 2017).

I can also see British Airways adding PDX service if this growth continues.

Delta adding a PDX-CDG flight is probably not too far away either (I am surprised they added PDX-LHR before CDG)>

And AA adding a much needed nonstop PDX-Miami flight is probably right around the corner.


I share your optimism! On the international front, I'd like to see another flight to Asia in the near future. Maybe KE? Has there been any further talk of DL moving ops to HND? It would be a shame to lose NRT if DL moves to HND and doesn't have the slots to keep all their current flights going.
I don't see BA and DL coexisting on a PDX-LHR and would have preferred BA, but the carrier and aircraft are less important than the fact that a nonstop exists. I think BA would clean DL's clock if they were competing on the route, however. DL doesn't have connections on the other end while BA does. Anecdotally at least, there seems to be A LOT more foreign tourists around town this summer.
Regarding MIA, I was a little surprised when AA added LAX, a route that is pretty well saturated especially when other LA area airports are considered over competition free MIA and Florida in general.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:59 pm

Airnerd wrote:
Can anyone figure out how PenAir is doing with their Portland operations? If I'm doing the math right, they've got an average of less than 12 passengers per flight. Any idea if some of their routes are doing better than others?


Through May they've averaged 11.4 passengers per flight, and so far not a huge difference from market to market

CEC load factor
37.9% Jan
35.8% Feb
42.1% Mar
39.3% Apr
36.6% May

OTH load factor
33.3% Mar
33.8% Apr
43.7% May

ACV load factor
33.1% Apr
39.5% May

RDD load factor
25.2% Apr
39.8% May
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:21 pm

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/ALPAaward_PDX.pdf

The airline pilots association ALPA named PDX airport of the year!!!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:38 pm

twincommander wrote:
I'm happy to see you have pride for your employer, it shows good character. But PLEASE see what they have done.


I'm well aware of SeaPort's past and the bitter taste they've left in many community's mouths. However, most of the people responsible for how we were run back then are gone and the company is in a completely different direction.

We aren't closing shop, and it'll get better. Just hoping people can disassociate the company name with how things used to be and see we're a different airline just with the same logo and brand.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:18 pm

PDX88 wrote:
We aren't closing shop, and it'll get better. Just hoping people can disassociate the company name with how things used to be and see we're a different airline just with the same logo and brand.


I should actually thank Rob and Co. for screwing me when I worked there. I got a better job out of it.

Time will tell with Seaport. If you guys turn it around, cool.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:51 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Airnerd wrote:
Can anyone figure out how PenAir is doing with their Portland operations? If I'm doing the math right, they've got an average of less than 12 passengers per flight. Any idea if some of their routes are doing better than others?


Through May they've averaged 11.4 passengers per flight, and so far not a huge difference from market to market

CEC load factor
37.9% Jan
35.8% Feb
42.1% Mar
39.3% Apr
36.6% May

I have to think that the CEC load factor is impressive, given the population base, having the locals change their travel patterns from south to north. Most of the morning United Express flights that I used to fly south would have 5-9 passengers and the afternoon flight was less than that. (that was before Skywest made it non-stop to SFO).
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:42 am

910A wrote:
I have to think that the CEC load factor is impressive, given the population base, having the locals change their travel patterns from south to north. Most of the morning United Express flights that I used to fly south would have 5-9 passengers and the afternoon flight was less than that. (that was before Skywest made it non-stop to SFO).


Actually they're around 27% short of what was projected in their EAS bid, though it's early and the September-through-May available stats don't include the summer peak.

2014 actual, operated by Skywest EM2
73.4 per day (26,774 for the year)
15.2 pax per flight on about 18 departures per week

Pen Air EAS Bid
65.8 per day (24,000 for year)
16.4 per flight on 14 departures per week

PeAir Actual September through May
47.7 per day
11.9 per flight on 14 departures per day

For what it's worth CEC posted its best loads last fall. It will be interesting to see how their numbers look this summer.
35.6% Sep (startup)
43.3% Oct
42.4% Nov
44.9% Dec
37.9% Jan
35.8% Feb
42.1% Mar
39.3% Apr
36.6% May
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:24 am

Forgot to add the link to EAS proposal is case anyone wants to see the details of Pen Air's CEC bid and projection. Though traffic may be light,we don't know if fares have been below, at or above where they projected it.

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -2649-0050
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:59 am

PDX Spotters:

PDX Noise Alerts
PDX north runway closure for maintenance Aug 29 - Sep 1, 8AM-4PM. Expect changes in flight patterns and noise. Great time for some real spotting on the south runway!!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:10 am

Was getting off a plane around 8:46 PM from the Horizon Airlines gate at PDX and saw some emergency vehicles with their lights on rush down the end of the runway a minute later. I'm elsewhere in the airport now and don't want to gawk. Does anyone know what's up? Medical emergency or something?
Denver Tower: Gulfstream 592, you’re cleared to 9,000 feet. For a vector to Hector, contact the sector director.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:51 am

It appears that it was a flap issue in an Alaska 737.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:49 am

Anyone notice today (28AUG) that DL operated a bunch of 717's SEA-PDX? And their 625P departure was scheduled as a 717, but operated as a 763! Went right over my house so I checked it out. It was flight 691. Pretty awesome surprise at the gate!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:57 pm

pdx wrote:
Anyone notice today (28AUG) that DL operated a bunch of 717's SEA-PDX? And their 625P departure was scheduled as a 717, but operated as a 763! Went right over my house so I checked it out. It was flight 691. Pretty awesome surprise at the gate!


Must have been repositioning. I wonder how many pax were on that!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:00 pm

I seem to remember maybe 13-15 years ago, Delta had a scheduled PDX-SEA flight on a 763. It didn't last long as it was a tag flight. Anyone confirm this?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:13 pm

flyoregon wrote:
I seem to remember maybe 13-15 years ago, Delta had a scheduled PDX-SEA flight on a 763. It didn't last long as it was a tag flight. Anyone confirm this?

I can't confirm necessarily, but I distinctly recall a daily 763 pdx-sea pre-9/11
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:11 pm

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Anyone notice today (28AUG) that DL operated a bunch of 717's SEA-PDX? And their 625P departure was scheduled as a 717, but operated as a 763! Went right over my house so I checked it out. It was flight 691. Pretty awesome surprise at the gate!


Must have been repositioning. I wonder how many pax were on that!


It turned around and went back to SEA as DL691 at 840P yesterday, so no repositioning. DL seems to show interest in PDX and I hope it continues. I don't know what's up their sleeve, but with seasonal ANC, HNL, LHR, and a lot of extra flights this summer to their hubs (JFK with a 763!!) I foresee good things happening!!??
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:25 pm

flyoregon wrote:
I seem to remember maybe 13-15 years ago, Delta had a scheduled PDX-SEA flight on a 763. It didn't last long as it was a tag flight. Anyone confirm this?


OMG, as other people will tell you on this forum, DL flew 763's and L10's between PDX and SEA! I flew them lots of times...with maybe 20 people! Plus an L10 to SLC everyday which was often full! When we had the hub it was awesome. Btw, the original DL PDX-NRT flights began 3/2/87 and ended on 3/31/01 using L10's and M11's. Wonder how long we'll keep our current flight with the HND debacle??
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:30 pm

PDX757 wrote:
pdx wrote:
Anyone notice today (28AUG) that DL operated a bunch of 717's SEA-PDX? And their 625P departure was scheduled as a 717, but operated as a 763! Went right over my house so I checked it out. It was flight 691. Pretty awesome surprise at the gate!


Must have been repositioning. I wonder how many pax were on that!


Aw man. I was scheduled for a Delta flight at that same time a couple of days ago. Wish I could have been flying then instead! I've never been on a widebody.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:20 am

pdx wrote:
PDX757 wrote:
pdx wrote:
Anyone notice today (28AUG) that DL operated a bunch of 717's SEA-PDX? And their 625P departure was scheduled as a 717, but operated as a 763! Went right over my house so I checked it out. It was flight 691. Pretty awesome surprise at the gate!


Must have been repositioning. I wonder how many pax were on that!


It turned around and went back to SEA as DL691 at 840P yesterday, so no repositioning. DL seems to show interest in PDX and I hope it continues. I don't know what's up their sleeve, but with seasonal ANC, HNL, LHR, and a lot of extra flights this summer to their hubs (JFK with a 763!!) I foresee good things happening!!??


I have to admit I was a little surprised to see a daily 763 to JFK for the summer. I noticed an A333 ATL-PDX-ATL a while back, seemed to be a one-off thing, though. LHR is a definite sign that DL is invested in PDX. NRT and AMS were inherited from NW, but I suppose DL could have axed them after the merger if they wanted. It's funny that DL 'resumed' flights to NRT almost a decade after ending them!
I just wonder how much of the PDX activity is to horn in on AS turf, kind of like AS did in SLC.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:22 am

lebda wrote:
PDX757 wrote:
pdx wrote:
Anyone notice today (28AUG) that DL operated a bunch of 717's SEA-PDX? And their 625P departure was scheduled as a 717, but operated as a 763! Went right over my house so I checked it out. It was flight 691. Pretty awesome surprise at the gate!


Must have been repositioning. I wonder how many pax were on that!


Aw man. I was scheduled for a Delta flight at that same time a couple of days ago. Wish I could have been flying then instead! I've never been on a widebody.


I was spotting from the garage for a couple hours in the evening on Saturday 8/27, arrived to watch the Condor 763 depart and left after the AC E190 arrived from YYZ. Watched a couple of SEA bound 717s, they seemed to hold on the taxiway for what must have been at least a half an hour. Congestion at SEA perhaps?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:11 am

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Thanks LHPDX, I knew it was something just like that. Thanks for the post, I saw the story on the KGW 5pm news tonight.


You're most welcome RWA380!....I just learned today that CC-E will be extended to the east about 750 feet, adding gate capacity of 6 additional gates at PDX. The originally design E extension was around 210 ft.......


More changes, I'm getting that AS plans being up in the air (no pun intended) & AAG being the Ports number one client, I expect by 2020 to see some of these improvements in place.

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Yes they'd be losing their only current PNW route, but there's talk of opening a new non EAS city so as to not close the PDX operation.


There is nothing left for K5 to try. They have tried any route in range of Portland with a serviceable city & nothing. AST, ONP, SLE, YKM, PDT, BLI what else is there? Try to compete against AS on RDM/EUG or MFR?

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It's been a huge 180 from where we were before the bankruptcy. Our operational stats are some of the highest they've ever been. There hasn't been enough time for everyone to notice yet, but the airline and morale are quickly improving. Hopefully people stop wishing failure on us and are actually happy things are turning around.


Unfortunately many, many years of bad management & awful service have left a bad stain on the SeaPort name. It's no longer a secret that they have screwed cities & passengers over. Most people won't know there is a new management team & things are turning around, although I'm not sure how with pilot shortages & the loss of the last city in it's namesake. I'm happy for you & you're proud of your company, as it should be, but after 30 years in the industry & much of it up here in the Northwest, reliability is a big point, so if K5 starts another Portland route, it's going to be a very uphill battle to change their reputation here.

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It would't surprise me to see HA restart PDX-OGG as soon as they receive their A321neos in 2017.


You can bet on it, PDX-OGG is served 2 x daily by AS & they have a monopoly, the A-330 & even the 763 is too much aircraft for the route but an A-321 or 738 is perfect.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:33 am

I talked to a friend of mine at the airport and they said that once the Port expands E concourse, which Southwest will move to, the Port is considering a redesign of concourse B. It appears to have an open concept with new bathroom, food concepts, and more sitting area. One rendering showed an additional gate as well, with the current escalators going down towards the A gate but ending there with ground loading at the bottom. We will see if that pans out.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:43 am

PDXPOL wrote:
I talked to a friend of mine at the airport and they said that once the Port expands E concourse, which Southwest will move to, the Port is considering a redesign of concourse B. It appears to have an open concept with new bathroom, food concepts, and more sitting area. One rendering showed an additional gate as well, with the current escalators going down towards the A gate but ending there with ground loading at the bottom. We will see if that pans out.


So WN is moving into E? Anyone else? If AS isn't moving they need to expand and renovate the "A" concourse (not to mention their awful lobby ticket counter). It's too small and unpleasant for an airline who operates a hub here. It needs to be inviting so customers will enjoy their connection at PDX and will want to come back. Maybe they should incorporate it into the "B" concourse somehow? KS needs to share with them anyway. And with 1 route to PDT, K5 may be gone by then.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:45 am

So my source said that after the E concourse expansion and move of WN. A concourse will essentially shut down. The renovation of B shows nothing beyond the escalators. I heard the A comcourse area will become RON's. What I dont know is if they are tearing it down. To fit any aircraft they almost need too. On the other note, they say only AA and Alaska will be on the south side. All other on the north and that apparently balances their system.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:45 pm

PDXPOL wrote:
So my source said that after the E concourse expansion and move of WN. A concourse will essentially shut down. The renovation of B shows nothing beyond the escalators. I heard the A comcourse area will become RON's. What I dont know is if they are tearing it down. To fit any aircraft they almost need too. On the other note, they say only AA and Alaska will be on the south side. All other on the north and that apparently balances their system.


If WN is going to E, then QX has to be staying on A. Unless I'm missing something major.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:33 pm

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On the international front, I'd like to see another flight to Asia in the near future. Maybe KE? Has there been any further talk of DL moving ops to HND? It would be a shame to lose NRT if DL moves to HND and doesn't have the slots to keep all their current flights going.
I don't see BA and DL coexisting on a PDX-LHR and would have preferred BA, but the carrier and aircraft are less important than the fact that a nonstop exists. I think BA would clean DL's clock if they were competing on the route, however. DL doesn't have connections on the other end while BA does. Anecdotally at least, there seems to be A LOT more foreign tourists around town this summer.
Regarding MIA, I was a little surprised when AA added LAX, a route that is pretty well saturated especially when other LA area airports are considered over competition free MIA and Florida in general.


Portland would be a logical connection point for OneWorld (AA, JL, BA, CX) combined with Alaska.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:06 pm

jbpdx wrote:
PDX757 wrote:
On the international front, I'd like to see another flight to Asia in the near future. Maybe KE? Has there been any further talk of DL moving ops to HND? It would be a shame to lose NRT if DL moves to HND and doesn't have the slots to keep all their current flights going.
I don't see BA and DL coexisting on a PDX-LHR and would have preferred BA, but the carrier and aircraft are less important than the fact that a nonstop exists. I think BA would clean DL's clock if they were competing on the route, however. DL doesn't have connections on the other end while BA does. Anecdotally at least, there seems to be A LOT more foreign tourists around town this summer.
Regarding MIA, I was a little surprised when AA added LAX, a route that is pretty well saturated especially when other LA area airports are considered over competition free MIA and Florida in general.


Portland would be a logical connection point for OneWorld (AA, JL, BA, CX) combined with Alaska.


Hainan to Bejing or Emirates to Dubai.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:49 pm

It seems that PenAir and SeaPort could move to Concourse A and as Horizon draws down the number of Q400s in lieu of ERJ-175s, they could run limited Q400s out of Concourse A, create new ramps/elevators down to the tarmac level at Concourse B (similar to what Seattle has) for ground-loading Q400s, and operate all ERJ's (both Horizon and SkyWest) out of Concourse C. Would this be a possibility? Image
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:00 pm

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It seems that PenAir and SeaPort [/img]

What does SeaPort need space for?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:12 pm

32andBelow wrote:
jetboy319 wrote:
It seems that PenAir and SeaPort [/img]

What does SeaPort need space for?


SeaPort wasn't the focus of my post. I simply included them because they still operate out of PDX. If it makes you feel better, don't include them ;-)
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:26 pm

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It seems that PenAir and SeaPort could move to Concourse A and as Horizon draws down the number of Q400s in lieu of ERJ-175s, they could run limited Q400s out of Concourse A, create new ramps/elevators down to the tarmac level at Concourse B (similar to what Seattle has) for ground-loading Q400s, and operate all ERJ's (both Horizon and SkyWest) out of Concourse C. Would this be a possibility? Image


Doesn't Penair already operate from A? Seaport had a plane parked at A the other day. Not quite sure why it was there.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:55 pm

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Doesn't Penair already operate from A? Seaport had a plane parked at A the other day. Not quite sure why it was there.


I'm pretty sure PenAir operates from gate B2.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:05 pm

PenAir started out at E, but moved to B2 earlier this year. It's obviously much better for them since they're sharing passengers with AS/QX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:58 pm

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PenAir started out at E, but moved to B2 earlier this year. It's obviously much better for them since they're sharing passengers with AS/QX.


All 15 per flight :mrgreen:
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:13 am

I double checked and sure enough, it shows at the conclusion of the terminal balancing that most of A concourse will shut down. It does show ground loading at the bottom of the escalators, this may included the Seattle shuttle area. It also notes that B concourse can handle any additional ground loading needs. To that note, the terminal balancing will not be completed until well into 2020.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:43 am

PDXPOL wrote:
I double checked and sure enough, it shows at the conclusion of the terminal balancing that most of A concourse will shut down. It does show ground loading at the bottom of the escalators, this may included the Seattle shuttle area. It also notes that B concourse can handle any additional ground loading needs. To that note, the terminal balancing will not be completed until well into 2020.


Seems like the PDX Terminal balancing plans are slowly, but surely materializing..First 6 Jet-ways will be added to CC-E for SW creating a total of 11 gate with a 750 or more ft. extension and Jet-blue will be relocating to the north side. Lastly AA/AS will dominate all 23 gates on CC-E and 3 on B ....That's a lot of gate for two airlines.......All we need now are the final drawings and rendering...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:34 am

I do not favor any airline. I am just happy for all growth from any airline at pdx.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:06 pm

PDXPOL wrote:
I double checked and sure enough, it shows at the conclusion of the terminal balancing that most of A concourse will shut down. It does show ground loading at the bottom of the escalators, this may included the Seattle shuttle area. It also notes that B concourse can handle any additional ground loading needs. To that note, the terminal balancing will not be completed until well into 2020.


Interesting. Does that mean we'll see Q400s at jetways? I know people are anticipating a shift from Q400s to E175s, but since QX is actually keeping a majority of their Qs well into the future, I would assume PDX will still continue to see many flights with the props. Any QX route under a 1.5 hrs on the Q is a good candidate to stay. This includes SEA, GEG, MFR, RDM, BOI, YVR, and any other destinations in eastern WA or western MT. Add to that PenAir's flights to RDD, ACV, LMT, CEC, etc, and that's still quite a bit of prop activity. I'm curious how that works with no A concourse.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:34 pm

United is still in works to open a hangar at PDX. They were looking at one of the old AFR ones on the south side but that fell through. Last I heard was maybe converting the old Delta cargo building into one?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:24 pm

What I saw was a drawing that showed 3-4 ground loading aircraft spots at the bottom escalators where B to A concourse is. Plus I have notice the new ramps at the loading bridges on B for Pen Air and Sea Port. I suppose they could use those for Q400's. That would make 4-6 ground loading spots. I dont know it that is sufficient for AAG needs in 2020.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:36 pm

ramprat74 wrote:
United is still in works to open a hangar at PDX. They were looking at one of the old AFR ones on the south side but that fell through. Last I heard was maybe converting the old Delta cargo building into one?



That's interesting, I wonder what the plan is with the hanger returned to the Port under the terms with the guard unit. On a side note, for a while the plan was to tear down old Delta cargo to help with room for the redesign of the Airport Way / 82nd interchange. But with the new concept and overpass, they dont have to take down Delta cargo . The plans showed Frontage Rd expanding to the parking lot. That would be an ideal location for a hanger.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:30 pm

Airnerd wrote:
PDXPOL wrote:
I double checked and sure enough, it shows at the conclusion of the terminal balancing that most of A concourse will shut down. It does show ground loading at the bottom of the escalators, this may included the Seattle shuttle area. It also notes that B concourse can handle any additional ground loading needs. To that note, the terminal balancing will not be completed until well into 2020.


Interesting. Does that mean we'll see Q400s at jetways? I know people are anticipating a shift from Q400s to E175s, but since QX is actually keeping a majority of their Qs well into the future, I would assume PDX will still continue to see many flights with the props. Any QX route under a 1.5 hrs on the Q is a good candidate to stay. This includes SEA, GEG, MFR, RDM, BOI, YVR, and any other destinations in eastern WA or western MT. Add to that PenAir's flights to RDD, ACV, LMT, CEC, etc, and that's still quite a bit of prop activity. I'm curious how that works with no A concourse.

I wonder if routes like SEA and GEG got to the jet just from a product standpoint.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 12

Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:19 pm

I wonder if routes like SEA and GEG got to the jet just from a product standpoint.


Could very well be. But on PDX-SEA (every 30 min all day long), I can't believe there would be any time savings or economic benefit to moving to the jet. That route is a perfect case for the fast props. I'm sure I don't have the full picture, but I still can't imagine that 4-6 spots is going to be adequate for PDX prop activity in the future. There are 14 ground loading gates on A concourse today and 5 or 6 on E that will go away with the extension planned. Seems wild they would go from ~20 prop-suitable gates to 4 or 6 while planning for the future. But then perhaps AAG is telling them something different about the future of the props than what they've said publicly.
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