A perfect title would be difficult, but bottom line he listed Turkish under ME3 carriers in his answer. I don't think he's dumb, so he knows that TK
is one of the three. So, the logical conclusion is that he sees little or no difference between TK
and the ME3. While I am not surprised by that, it is news if you go along with reading that into it. (see below)...
|Quoting aviationaware (Reply 63):|
so I think replacing them with TK in the M3 definition is a very valid and fair thing to do.
|Quoting mercure1 (Reply 64):|
Except TK does not get a lira of government funding, is largely open public enterprise whose stock you can buy, has open financial books, and is very profitable.
...It also shows the issue is not so much government subsidies as it is competition. TK
/EK/EY/QR are successfully "winning" against the USA carriers in a narrow geographic niche that arguably the U.S. carriers shouldn't be able to win at anyway. They are winning because of a number of reasons, the most important of which is geography and another is the wealth and traffic created by oil. Yes, QR
is the weakest of the bunch, but at least two of the four airlines are completely stand alone profitable in the view of most financial analysts. The issue with the ME3+1 isn't really subsidies, that is just a red herring. It's just a protectionist excuse.
|Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 66):|
Do you suggest that the Turkish government should turn a blind eye to the crazy situation at IST, or go build an airport somewhere in Bulgaria or Egypt?
People need to realize that the Cost Per Enplanement (CPE) from airport fees in the USA IS
VERY LOW, and arguably subsidized at least compared to other countries. At large airports like even ATL
the CPE is only about $12-14 even with the PFC head charge included. The PFC equivalent alone in Paris is about $15, and that's before the airlines even pay rent or landing fees. It's probably $45 all in. YYZ
is like $30+. Even CUN
airport passenger fees are $46.
In many countries the taxes on the sale of tickets go to the general fund of the country and the airport PFC equivalent must fully cover the cost of the entire airport including the runways. In the USA the ticket taxes for the most part go back to the airports for runways and taxiways. TSA
is also largely funded from regular tax dollars. This is very unusual compared to most other countries where it is an airport cost.