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Quoting glbltrvlr (Thread starter): Most Boeing execs believe that a cleansheet design is the only viable choice |
Quoting glbltrvlr (Thread starter): Remaining question is Single Aisle vs Twin Aisle, which translates to Operating Economics vs. Market Potential |
Quoting glbltrvlr (Thread starter): Previous 757/767 strategy won't work today, too expensive, too much risk |
Quoting glbltrvlr (Thread starter): 787-8 is too expensive to buy, operate |
Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 1): Luckily, Boeing has gotten their money's worth out of the -8. |
Quoting adamblang (Reply 3): What does MOM mean |
Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 1): Luckily, Boeing has gotten their money's worth out of the -8. |
Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 11): Boeing better be very careful about what they build as its likely to be their last ever clean sheet. |
Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 11): Boeing better be very careful about what they build as its likely to be their last ever clean sheet. |
Quoting cosyr (Reply 10): The only option that could possibly work is a 757 NEO with a new wing and some weight shed. |
Quoting glbltrvlr (Thread starter): - Most Boeing execs believe that a cleansheet design is the only viable choice |
Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 18): The problem with this scenario is that none of the engine suppliers has a rightsized new technology engine sitting on the shelf waiting for a buyer. They would have to develop one meaning timescale challenges. |
Quoting parapente (Reply 19): Perversely enough the highest thrust GTF at 35K Lbs is only a whisker short of the original output of the 752 engines (36.5).Clearly the aircraft would not need to carry so much fuel and the BW,s add additional lift.If P&w could find perhaps 1,000 pounds of additional thrust they could (have) just permitted a NEO 752. |
Quoting parapente (Reply 19): However as has been said so many times the aircraft tooling has now gone -shame |
Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 11): Boeing better be very careful about what they build as its likely to be their last ever clean sheet. |
Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 21): This period from the 'false roll-out of 07/08/07 until now, almost 9 years, has really stripped Boeing of their nerve. |
Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 21): A cleansheet single-aisle MOM/NSA combo with as absolute commonality possible to replace 753/738 seems so unlikely. |
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 24): I assume you're joking. |
Quoting StTim (Reply 25): Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 24): I assume you're joking. I suspect it was tongue in cheek that if they had a similar cock up with the next clean sheet as they did with the 787 then it really could be their last clean sheet. |
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 7): Two analysts think that the MoM is a "mirage"..... |
Quote: Boeing has no true 757 replacement and is losing share in the segment to the A321NEO. We see a lose-lose scenario where Boeing either invests heavily and arrives late-to-market, or foregoes the segment completely. It would be extremely costly for Boeing to start developing a replacement today, and it would likely not enter service for another seven years. By then we expect the majority of 757s to already have been replaced or retired. On the other hand, if Boeing elects not to develop a 757 replacement, it will almost undoubtedly lose market share long-term in this larger narrow-body category. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 28): Airbus will respond with their own new small airplane, but Boeing will have first-mover momentum for a time and then they'll both settle down into a comfortable duopoly. |
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 29): I admire your optimism. ![]() |
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Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 24): it started well before 07/08/07 |
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 24): turnaround of four-ish years while simultaneously farming everything out and trying to reinvent their wheel |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 31): If NSA does to neo what neo is doing to MAX, Airbus will have no choice but to respond themselves with a new family. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 28): I agree that MoM is a mistake. They should just wait a decade for an optimized NSA to cover the 180-240 seat market. Yes, Airbus will sell plenty of A321-200neos during that time, but that will constrain slots for the A320-200neo and open up availability for Boeing to push the 737-8 and 737MAX-200. |
Quoting TheRedBAron (Reply 6): They need to make a perfect bullseye with this one and control expenses and profitability....if they make the 787 version 2.0 they might not survive post 2035... |
Quoting william (Reply 34): So Boeing has time and yes, let Airbus have their day with the A321. Airbus had to watch for years as the 777 printed money for Boeing with no competitive response. |
Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 32): Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 29): In some ways the roles have reversed for the first time since 1970. Boeing didn't take Airbus seriously at first and their arrogance came back to bite them hard. Regardless of which "side of the aisle" we're on I think we can all admit that Airbus has been in the drivers seat for several years now. The A320NEO and A330NEO were grand slams before they were even built and the A350, despite some initial issues has, if nothing else, proven that Airbus can build a widebody that at least matches if not bests anything from Boeing. Sometimes it's easier to play catch-up than it is to keep the lead (ask Jordan Spieth)! Boeing has the opportunity to leapfrog ahead on the small to medium size market with the NSA and MOM. |
Quoting Revelation (Reply 27): Clean sheet seems far more riskier than MadMax. |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 37): You really do realize that the comparison in terms of profitability is not even close. |
Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 39): have lower debt |
Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 32): In some ways the roles have reversed for the first time since 1970. Boeing didn't take Airbus seriously at first and their arrogance came back to bite them hard. |
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 42): Do you think the profitability is so much higher on the A321? |
Quoting WIederling (Reply 40): There is no way around Boeing loosing massive market share in the NB segment. Depending on how they go about it this will either be a path to irrelevance or for a comeback with a competitive product. |
Quoting glbltrvlr (Thread starter): Airbus owns both ends of the MOM market |