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Any B787's In Storage?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:39 pm

Just wondering, are there any Boeing 787's in storage at Mojave, Davis-Monthan, Kingman or any other boneyard in the world. I'm not really concerned with maintainence or new livery paint coat which would be a temporary stopover.

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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:42 pm

There were a few of the test frames stored at PMD for awhile including the first one but I don't believe they're there anymore.

There's a few stored at PAE, the terrible teens.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:10 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 1):
There's a few stored at PAE, the terrible teens.

I really thought they were bought already
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:37 am

Yes, a PrivateAir 787-8 was not taken up and has been stored by Boeing at VCV:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...d=3ccbbc27ee7ef332437fda79c07d8a08

Not even a year old either:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/Boeing/787/37306/N887BA-Boeing

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[Edited 2016-04-18 17:41:03]
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:22 am

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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:27 am

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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:51 am

In addition to the Privatair frame mentioned above, Boeing has one unsold terrible teen (LN 19) and one test frame destined for BBJ conversion (LN 5) wrapped up at PAE. A few more VIP 787s are waiting for or undergoing interior conversion.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:51 am

Quoting 777GE90 (Reply 3):
Yes, a PrivateAir 787-8 was not taken up and has been stored by Boeing at VCV:

Perhaps Boeing should call Mark Cuban and make him an offer to purchase

this frame to add to his MLW Air stable of one 757 and 1 762
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:50 am

Have the terrible teens been sold yet?
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:52 am

I thought ET got the Terrible Teens.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:12 am

At least 3 of the first 787s were donated to museums. The Museum of Flight in Seattle has one, as does Pima Air and Space Museum in the Tuscon area, and I think one found it's way to a museum in Japan.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:17 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 8):
Have the terrible teens been sold yet?
Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 9):
I thought ET got the Terrible Teens.

Here is how the early frames rejected by their initial operators ended up:

1 = Not saleable; donated as museum exhibit to Chubu Centrair Airport, Nagoya, Japan
2 = Not economically saleable; donated as museum exhibit to Pima Aerospace Museum, Arizona
3 = Not economically saleable; donated as museum exhibit to Museum of Flight, Tukwila, WA
4 = Currently in use as Boeing test frame. To be sold as BBJ in late 2018.
5 = Stored at PAE mid-rework when initial sale was canceled; still stored. To be sold as BBJ in mid-2018.
6 = Sold to Government of Mexico as VIP transport; delivered in 2015, outfitting complete a couple months ago.
10 = Sold to Ethiopian for 2017 delivery.
11 = Sold as BBJ to Korean Air for use as government VIP frame. Now in outfitting by Greenpoint.
12 = Sold to Ethiopian for 2016 delivery.
13 = Sold to Ethiopian for 2016 delivery.
14 = Sold to Ethiopian for 2016 delivery.
15 = Sold to Air Austral for 2017 delivery.
16 = Sold to Ethiopian for 2017 delivery.
17 = Sold as BBJ to Crystal Cruises for late 2016/early 2017 delivery.
18 = Sold to Ethiopian for 2017 delivery.
19 = Unsold and stored at KPAE.
22 = Sold to Air Austral for 2016 delivery.

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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:33 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):

Curious as to why frames 7-9 and 20-21 weren't rejected with all the rest of the early build examples. Did those frames differ in some way or were the recipient customers simply not as concerned with the performance shortfalls?
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:53 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 12):
Curious as to why frames 7-9 and 20-21 weren't rejected with all the rest of the early build examples. Did those frames differ in some way or were the recipient customers simply not as concerned with the performance shortfalls?

Frames 7-9 were for ANA and 20-21 were for JAL, so I would assume that would be because they're being used for short flights mostly within Japan, rendering performance less of an issue.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:13 am

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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:22 am

Quoting B787register (Reply 14):

The BA ones (and probably Oman Air too) are apparently to do with the continuing inability of Zodiac to deliver seats on time. They've been stored seatless rather than hold the whole line up waiting. As a result planes are now being delivered to BA out of sequence, seats that are delivered get fitted to the next BA 789 that reaches the seat fitting stage, and only when there are enough seats on hand will the stored planes complete their fit-out.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:41 am

Quoting MD88CLE (Reply 13):
Frames 7-9 were for ANA and 20-21 were for JAL, so I would assume that would be because they're being used for short flights mostly within Japan, rendering performance less of an issue.

At YVR we've seen all 5 of those frames coming from NRT/HND. Even though it's not a terribly long distance, I'd imagine that if there was any significant performance difference, they wouldn't come here. (By the way, JA821J/LN20 just flew NRT-BOS-NRT today.)

Note that all of JAL's 787s are fitted with international cabins, so they don't fly domestic routes for the most part. Also, LN7 through LN9 are fitted with ANA's regional international cabin, not the domestic cabin, so if there really was a significant performance issue they'd be fitted for domestic use.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:51 am

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 15):
The BA ones (and probably Oman Air too) are apparently to do with the continuing inability of Zodiac to deliver seats on time. They've been stored seatless rather than hold the whole line up waiting.

Since Oman Air have wet-leased two of Kenya's 787s for 3 years, that might take the pressure off for a speedy delivery?

http://atwonline.com/leasing/oman-air-wet-leases-787-8s-kenya-airways


That whole KT/Oman thing seems to have been quite the mess - Kenya agreed to sell two 200ERs to Oman in January, a deal which has been held up by their pilots in court. So now there's a 3 year wet-lease of their most efficient airplane instead of getting rid of something less efficient. *shrug* Hope it all works out for Kenya - they seem to have expanded way too quickly for their own good.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:23 am

Quoting bobdino (Reply 17):
Hope it all works out for Kenya - they seem to have expanded way too quickly for their own good.

They planned for their expansion on the back of the tourism industry keeping up. Now that's taken a dive over the last couple of years with terrorism and security incidents then KQ have taken the hit in pax numbers.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:06 pm

Several of Air India's I would assume.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:07 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:44 pm

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 19):
Several of Air India's I would assume.

You assume what? AI had grounded one or two of their 787s for an extended period.....they are probably now back in operation (not too sure about that).....so what exactly are you talking about? Or are you just following the boring a.net trend of mindless AI bashing with zero knowledge of anything?
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:49 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 12):
Curious as to why frames 7-9 and 20-21 weren't rejected with all the rest of the early build examples.

As I recall, 8 (the very first 787 delivery) and 9 were already mostly through rework, and 7 was in process, when Boeing made the decision to focus on later-build frames first and postpone rework on a lot of the earlier, more time-intensive frames. ANA rejected its teens and 22 at least partly because rework on those frames would take long enough that they could get later, improved frames much sooner.

20 and 21 (and 22) aren't really "early builds" in the same sense as the others. LN 20 was the cutover for a much improved production block that allowed for the full MTOW of 228 t, reduced weight significantly over earlier frames, and incorporated more design changes from the start. JAL took delivery of 20 and 21 as scheduled and has used them throughout its 787 network, including on very long routes like NRT-BOS.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:36 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 18):
They planned for their expansion on the back of the tourism industry keeping up. Now that's taken a dive over the last couple of years with terrorism and security incidents then KQ have taken the hit in pax numbers.

Thanks for both the background and the correction on the airline code. Much appreciated!
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:11 pm

British Airways has a few waiting for chairs from the supplier.
 
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RE: Any B787's In Storage?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:26 pm

plus now two Ana birds are stored without engines
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