New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 176

77west · Tue May 03, 2016 10:26 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 99):
Quoting haggis73 (Reply 96):NZ6001 AKL - FTW ZK-OKERepaint.

I understand maintenance and painting outsourcing, but is that not a long way to go for a repaint? When most of the others have been done in SIN?

NZ1 · Tue May 03, 2016 10:55 am

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 96):
NZ6003 AKL - QPG ZK-OKQ - Is it losing it's black colour scheme? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ZKOKQ

NZ6001 AKL - FTW ZK-OKE - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ZKOKE

OKQ is C Check maintenance and OKE is a full repaint.

NZ1

PA515 · Tue May 03, 2016 2:46 pm

Air NZ Investor Day Presentation 03 May 2016 (52 slides).

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/assets/PDFs/2016-Investor-Day.pdf

Answers a few questions about strategy etc that come up on the threads.
Slide 32 says Asian destinations requiring two aircraft for a daily service only require three for twice daily. Presumably the intention is to increase frequency to HKG and PVG.

PA515

PA515 · Tue May 03, 2016 4:01 pm

Quoting 77west (Reply 100):
I understand maintenance and painting outsourcing, but is that not a long way to go for a repaint? When most of the others have been done in SIN?

This is where Boeing used to send some new 787s for paint jobs, though not recently.

Perhaps Air NZ got a free paint job (or two) from Boeing to compensate for ZK-OKN being out of service six months ago. OKN was replaced with 77Es which may have been scheduled for repaints at that time.

Up to five 77E repaints could be done in SIN from 03 Jun to 14 Aug 2016 when the 77E replaces the 789 on AKL-SIN 17 Jun to 30 Jul 2016. (about 14 days for a repaint)

ZK-OKC was repainted in Xiamen Mar/Apr 2014 and is the only 77E repainted so far.

PA515

zkncj · Tue May 03, 2016 8:08 pm

How well did AKL hold up with this mornings fog?

nascarnut · Wed May 04, 2016 2:30 am

Appears another Asian carrier is using Social Media to hint at adding NZ to it's market.
Air Hong Kong's Facebook page is showing sheep with the intention to start flights to NZ in November.
Nothing formal yet, just the hint on Facebook

kiwiandrew · Wed May 04, 2016 2:45 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 105):
Appears another Asian carrier is using Social Media to hint at adding NZ to it's market.
Air Hong Kong's Facebook page is showing sheep with the intention to start flights to NZ in November.
Nothing formal yet, just the hint on Facebook

Isn't Air Hong Kong a cargo airline ? I wouldn't have thought they would need to drop hints on social media

777ER · Wed May 04, 2016 3:10 am

Hong Kong Airlines confirms AKL services

"Attention all the travel lovers! First Good news that you shouldn’t miss this May, Hong Kong Airlines will launch the first direct flight service to ‪#‎Auckland‬, ‪#‎NewZealand‬ in the upcoming November! Remember to follow our Facebook page for further announcement of open for sale date"

https://www.facebook.com/hkairlines/?fref=ts

kiwiandrew · Wed May 04, 2016 3:16 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 107):
Hong Kong Airlines confirms AKL services

That makes more sense... it seems the previous poster may have got a bit mixed up between 'Air Hong Kong' and 'Hong Kong Airlines'

zkncj · Wed May 04, 2016 3:35 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 107):
Hong Kong Airlines confirms AKL services

I wonder if will be an extension to there OOL service like D7?

Looks like AKL will need to buy some more stairs and buses

nascarnut · Wed May 04, 2016 5:11 am

That makes an additional four carriers into AKL this year not counting the additional services
American Airines
United Airlines
Qatar
Hong Kong Airlines
Still talk about Hainan looking at service.
At some point very soon Auckland will burst. Does the AIAL have the infrastructure in place to handle these increases.
Who else may look at Auckland.
Garuda from DPS or JKT, Scoot from Singapore, ANA from Haneda, EVA from TPE (again or will CI just continue to increase frequency via SYD/BNE)
Only US carrier left is Delta and maybe Air Canada.
This Christmas will be interesting. Auckland Airport could look more like a bus depot.

zkncj · Wed May 04, 2016 7:57 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 110):
Garuda from DPS or JKT, Scoot from Singapore, ANA from Haneda, EVA from TPE (again or will CI just continue to increase frequency via SYD/BNE)
Only US carrier left is Delta and maybe Air Canada.

I would think Scoot would be out of the mix, SQ does well ex AKL/CHC surely they wouldn't want to push the price down? Unless it was from an secondary port. Which most can't handle an 788/789 non stop to Asia.

Air Canada probably not from YVR, NZ already has most of that market an code shares with AC. Maybe AKL-YYZ?, that would be one very long flight though and maybe not doable non-stop.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 110):
At some point very soon Auckland will burst. Does the AIAL have the infrastructure in place to handle these increases.

Not really they are build 1 gate/year, and its already pretty bad with bus ops at peak.

xiaotung · Wed May 04, 2016 8:25 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 102):
Answers a few questions about strategy etc that come up on the threads.
Slide 32 says Asian destinations requiring two aircraft for a daily service only require three for twice daily. Presumably the intention is to increase frequency to HKG and PVG.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11633328

The above proves that they are indeed working on double daily PVG flights. Plus the potential new CTU route, NZ's China ambition has really become phenomenal.

777ER · Wed May 04, 2016 9:25 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 111):
Quoting nascarnut (Reply 110):
Garuda from DPS or JKT, Scoot from Singapore, ANA from Haneda, EVA from TPE (again or will CI just continue to increase frequency via SYD/BNE)
Only US carrier left is Delta and maybe Air Canada.

I would think Scoot would be out of the mix, SQ does well ex AKL/CHC surely they wouldn't want to push the price down? Unless it was from an secondary port. Which most can't handle an 788/789 non stop to Asia.

I was very surprised when SQ announced WLG (as was most on here) and thought if SQ was going to launch a WLG service then it would be via Scoot and see how the flights go before deciding if Scoot or SQ is the best operator for future services.

Guess WIAL were really talking to SQ and SQ felt it was the best operator for a service. No competitor is going to know another airlines intentions (as evident by NZs reaction) and no airport is going to publicly state who they are talking to over services.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 111):
Air Canada probably not from YVR, NZ already has most of that market an code shares with AC. Maybe AKL-YYZ?, that would be one very long flight though and maybe not doable non-stop.

Maybe not with a B787 but maybe with a B778 for a AKL-YYZ service

747m8te · Wed May 04, 2016 10:25 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 109):
I wonder if will be an extension to there OOL service like D7?

That would involved them pulling out of CNS as the current routing goes HKG-OOL-CNS-HKG (and CNS is a big draw card for their pax along with OOL), and i don't think they would be interested in trashing yeilds with the LCC competition across the Tasman, as they are not low cost compared to D7.

DavidByrne · Wed May 04, 2016 10:29 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 112):

Respectfully, it doesn't prove anything, but it's certainly a strong indication as to the direction they're thinking. And why wouldn't they be focusing on China when you look at the potential market size? The fact that it has gone from being a package tour market almost exclusively to being a 30% plus independent traveller market, and th extraordinary growth in visitor numbers at the same time, justifies the patience of the strategy. Certainly those naysayers of just a couple of years ago who argued that NZ should exit the China market because it was destined to be a disaster should have egg on their faces now.

NZ107 · Wed May 04, 2016 10:55 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 110):
That makes an additional four carriers into AKL this year not counting the additional services
American Airines
United Airlines
Qatar
Hong Kong Airlines

QR has just announced that they're delaying the start of AKL until February 2017.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qatar-airway...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

sunrisevalley · Wed May 04, 2016 12:25 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 116):
QR has just announced that they're delaying the start of AKL until February 2017

I wonder if there are more delays to follow? They must be watching how EK's is doing.

sunrisevalley · Wed May 04, 2016 1:20 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 111):
Maybe AKL-YYZ?, that would be one very long flight though and maybe not doable non-stop.

This is a 16hr 15 min flight and is best suited to a 789 with fewer seats than the present NZ version . The payload would be about 31t. But I doubt if there is a market; YVR is possible mainly because it collects traffic from all over Canada

aerorobnz · Wed May 04, 2016 1:41 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 116):
QR has just announced that they're delaying the start of AKL until February 2017.

Probably because they can't be guaranteed airport facilities will be available for their aircraft. Given they are delaying until AFTER the Kiwi summer / high season (SQ 388, KE 748, additional flights etc) it makes me wonder if they have been told to delay by AKL airport until they have sufficient checkin desks, gates, layovers etc to cope..

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 117):
I wonder if there are more delays to follow? They must be watching how EK's is doing.

No doubt it will start to affect airline decision making.

qf789 · Wed May 04, 2016 1:49 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 116):
QR has just announced that they're delaying the start of AKL until February 2017.http://www.ausbt.com.au/qatar-airway...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 117):
I wonder if there are more delays to follow? They must be watching how EK's is doing.

Its being delayed due to lack of aircraft

Delays in A350 production have also caused a knock-on effect for the airline’s planned Auckland-Doha flights, previously slated for December 3 but now pushed back until February 2017.

While the airline will fly the long-range Boeing 777-200LR aircraft to Auckland, it needs the Airbus A350 to free up that Boeing 777 from another Qatar route in order to start the New Zealand service.

Source: AusBT

PA515 · Wed May 04, 2016 3:07 pm

Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 115):
Respectfully, it doesn't prove anything

The NZ Herald article confirms PVG twice daily, just doesn't say when.

Quote:
Air NZ will bed down its Beijing route and is working with its codeshare partner to establish another daily flight out of Shanghai which would double the existing frequency.

On the radar is a proposal to connect more passengers from China to New Zealand and then on to South America. Jones says that connecting times are "not great". "Once you move past once daily to double daily you can put that second bank of flights at times that connect better with the Americas."

Still nothing in the Air NZ schedule that shows where almost two 789s a week will be used by December.

PA515

axio · Wed May 04, 2016 8:00 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 119):
Probably because they can't be guaranteed airport facilities will be available for their aircraft. Given they are delaying until AFTER the Kiwi summer / high season (SQ 388, KE 748, additional flights etc) it makes me wonder if they have been told to delay by AKL airport until they have sufficient checkin desks, gates, layovers etc to cope..

It's hard to imagine the check-in desks are a problem. The check-in hall usually seems quite empty, and I'm guessing the way NZ does theirs now takes up a lot less space than it did when the last check-in extension was made.

But airside constraints - absolutely!

ZKSUJ · Wed May 04, 2016 8:54 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 119):
it makes me wonder if they have been told to delay by AKL airport until they have sufficient checkin desks, gates, layovers etc to cope

That would imply airport company acknowleging that there is an issue...

sunrisevalley · Wed May 04, 2016 9:02 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 123):
That would imply airport company acknowleging that there is an issue...

I hope AIAA is not funding in part any of the improvements at ZQN.

zkncj · Wed May 04, 2016 9:51 pm

Quoting axio (Reply 122):
It's hard to imagine the check-in desks are a problem. The check-in hall usually seems quite empty, and I'm guessing the way NZ does theirs now takes up a lot less space than it did when the last check-in extension was made.

It gets tight at times, Qantas has now moved its AKL Y Check-in into the same space as there J Check-in

zkojq · Thu May 05, 2016 1:04 am

VA91 (VH-YIW) had a pod strike at Apia a few days ago:
http://avherald.com/h?article=497d413c&opt=0

Interestingly, it seems to have flown for a few days before the full scope of the damage was picked up.

Is ZK-OXL still due on May 11?

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 99):
It is a ground spare for 6 more days.

Oh ok. It looks like it flew a return Sydney service yesterda. It was parked outside the ANZES hangar earlier. Did ZK-NZE go tech yesterday morning?

Quoting PA515 (Reply 102):
Air NZ Investor Day Presentation 03 May 2016 (52 slides).

They keep tooting their own trumpet about how their My Voice customer experience scores have been increasing, but it is for sure a somewhat biased metric: as those of us get sick of their underwhelming product in certain markets vote with our feet and switch our flying to other carriers, our voice is no longer reflected in the My Voice scores. Thus the underlying values will increase even without a change to the product.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 104):
How well did AKL hold up with this mornings fog?

There were a lot of regional flights cancelled but most domestic services still operated, albeit with some delays.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 111):
I would think Scoot would be out of the mix, SQ does well ex AKL/CHC surely they wouldn't want to push the price down?

I guess it depends on whether or not Air Asia X's entry into the AKL-South East Asia market has an effect on SQ. I would think not though, since people who are prepared to pay the premium to fly with a quality airline such as SQ probably don't want to subject themselves to flying with Air Asia X. Especially when flying with them would be two stop to SIN.

[Edited 2016-05-04 18:07:57]

aerorobnz · Thu May 05, 2016 1:35 am

Quoting axio (Reply 122):
It's hard to imagine the check-in desks are a problem. The check-in hall usually seems quite empty, and I'm guessing the way NZ does theirs now takes up a lot less space than it did when the last check-in extension was made.

Airlines all pay for a particular number of checkin desks they require so 60 (estimated common user desk)) check in desks will only go so far. If an airline like CX/SQ/QF/MH/TG/VA each take 8-10 and JQ/NF/SB/PR/TN 4-6, which the are charged for the use of then they want 8-10, not taking 2 off the top of each existing airline to allow space for a competitor to check in. At the current moment they are fully occupied at some peaks. Add in AA.UA.QR./HX at same time as MH/CX/SQ/QF/JQ/TG/TN/FJ/NF/SB/VA closely followed by EK opening straight after CX/MH finish and something is going to have to give. QR will be 3 class and UA/AA 2 class

Given the additional time it takes to do anything due to congestion caused by all the extra flights Airlines aren't going to want to accept shorter opening times for check-in either to accommodate. That causes passengers late which delays plans which screws the ridiculous state of airside gates.

axio · Thu May 05, 2016 2:54 am

I see - didn't realise they had so many each; and I guess I haven't been there at the real peak times then.

nascarnut · Thu May 05, 2016 9:57 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 126):
Is ZK-OXL still due on May 11?

At this stage OXL is due in from CNS @ 2355 on the 10th.
NZ6090 ETD CNS 1650 ETA AKL 2355

sunrisevalley · Thu May 05, 2016 11:46 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 121):
Still nothing in the Air NZ schedule that shows where almost two 789s a week will be used by December.

So would EZE, CTU and a second PVG daily take care of this capacity?

PA515 · Thu May 05, 2016 6:56 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 130):
So would EZE, CTU and a second PVG daily take care of this capacity?

More than take care of it. The wording in Investor Day Presentation Slide 32 suggests to me the second daily PVG won't be this year.

AKL-EZE We Fr Su would be one aircraft, with Tu-We not used.
AKL-CTU three weekly would be one aircraft if an evening departure and morning return as for PVG. One day not used.
AKL-PVG second daily would be one aircraft.

Also, there are some 763 sectors that need to change to a 789/77E by Dec. There are more than three 763s in the website schedule, and there will only be three 763s left by Dec. That's after including AKL-RAR-LAX Su-Tu and AKL-RAR-SYD Sa-Su as a 77E, same schedule as now. Leaves a Th-Sa 77E not used, a possible 4th weekly AKL-EZE? Tu-Th is an AKL-SFO to give the 77W fleet a two day maintenance break.

What's available is the 9th 789 and some days from these others.
AKL-HNL 2055 Tu Th Fr Sa. Has We-Th and Su-Tu available.
AKL-PER-CHC 1855 Mo Fr and AKL-PER 1855 Th. Has We-Th and Su-Mo available
AKL-NRT 0115 Mo Th Sa. Has Tu-We available.

There's the possibility of extra sectors on existing routes, maybe AKL-PER 1855 Su, PER-AKL 0615 Mo.

There's also the possibility of new routes between existing destinations. CHC-LAX could return, maybe even PPT-LAX.

There was a new bilateral signed last year that from memory gave Air NZ unrestricted beyond rights from PPT and the equivalent for TN from AKL.

http://beehive.govt.nz/release/bette...ks-between-nz-and-french-polynesia

PA515

[Edited 2016-05-05 12:07:11]

zkncj · Thu May 05, 2016 7:03 pm

With NZ planning to make an VA exit by 30 June 2016, what is the chances we will see them use some of the regained capital on an aircraft order?

About an year ago NZ was talking around how they still had 7x 789 options that could action, surely these will be an very favorable pricing too.

Do you think we could see NZ increase the 789 fleet to around 20?

sunrisevalley · Thu May 05, 2016 7:32 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 132):
Do you think we could see NZ increase the 789 fleet to around 20?

That seems possible but I think it would be in context of replacing 77E's. There must be a point when the 789 Asian fleet is complete for the time being and a version with a higher premium seating count is introduced.

Zkpilot · Fri May 06, 2016 3:28 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 131):
There's also the possibility of new routes between existing destinations. CHC-LAX could return, maybe even PPT-LAX.

Highly unlikely to see a return to CHC anytime soon. It just doesn't make sense when there is so much more traffic through AKL and it isn't hard or out of the way to transfer between a CHC flight at AKL. I think we would see another destination (DEN or ORD or even NYC with the right configured aircraft) before CHC.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 132):
With NZ planning to make an VA exit by 30 June 2016, what is the chances we will see them use some of the regained capital on an aircraft order?

I'm sure NZ will use some of it for additional aircraft (or to pay for the current ordered ones) but they have already said they are mostly looking to pay down some debt, keep some as cash on hand (war chest), and some think they will pay a special dividend to shareholders for some of it too. Personally I think they shouldn't be paying much to shareholders as they already pay plenty in dividends. They would be better to pay down debt so they are in a good position for the next downturn or if needed to be competitive.
I'm disappointed that VA hasn't worked out as it would have been a good expansion opportunity for Air NZ (the company rather than airline).
Perhaps they should buy a 10% stake in AIAL since AKL is creaming it!

zkncj · Fri May 06, 2016 4:14 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 134):
I'm sure NZ will use some of it for additional aircraft (or to pay for the current ordered ones) but they have already said they are mostly looking to pay down some debt, keep some as cash on hand (war chest),

Maybe the replacement of the Q300? that would allow them to remain competitive against Jetstar Regional, while disposing of the Q300s while they still have some value.

Going by http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/assets/PDFs/2016-Investor-Day.pdf

The 72-600 has an 13% variable less cost per seat vs the Q300.

zkncj · Fri May 06, 2016 4:34 am

Looks like NCK just got another service, currently on AKL-BNE as NZ739.

IndianicWorld · Fri May 06, 2016 4:39 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 134):
Highly unlikely to see a return to CHC anytime soon. It just doesn't make sense when there is so much more traffic through AKL and it isn't hard or out of the way to transfer between a CHC flight at AKL.

Yeah I agree. The yields would be an issue on CHC-LAX, even if the demand is likely there for a 3 x weekly flight.

Even AKL is a destination that does well but is still dependant on international and domestic feed from other flights to maintain its levels of service. AKL is a market in itself that has higher corporate demand and a bigger population base, but NZ as a whole is the size of MEL or SYD. That needs to be put into perspective really when tryin g to analyse potential routes.

It is far more efficient to use 1 main hub for longer sectors like LAX, which gives the best possible profit potential.

77west · Fri May 06, 2016 4:40 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 135):
Maybe the replacement of the Q300? that would allow them to remain competitive against Jetstar Regional, while disposing of the Q300s while they still have some value.

Going by http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/assets/PDFs/2016-Investor-Day.pdf

The 72-600 has an 13% variable less cost per seat vs the Q300.

Replace it with what? The ATR72 is too big for some routes, if they go this route, it is likely that some towns may see a reduction or suspension of flights...

or

ATR42?

ZKOJH · Fri May 06, 2016 4:57 am

"Airways New Zealand and Singapore Civil Aviation Authority sign air deal"

New Zealand and Singapore's airspace control agencies have teamed up to better manage unprecedented growth in the Asia Pacific's aviation industry.

Airways New Zealand and the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) signed a deal on Friday to improve air traffic management in the region.

State owned Airways looks after key aviation navigation infrastructure around New Zealand and provides air traffic control and training for air traffic controllers.

CAAS oversees Singapore's aviation safety and provides air navigation services.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/7...l-aviation-authority-sign-air-deal

"Invercargill to catch a glimpse of Air New Zealand Dreamliner " !!

Plane spotters will have the chance to see an Air New Zealand Dreamliner when a special flight flies over Invercargill on Sunday.

Air New Zealand and Koru Care are operating the flight in the 787-9 Dreamliner.

The Dreamliner will fly at low altitude over Invercargill Airport, approximately 1000 feet, subject to weather conditions.

It will be visible from Invercargill at 1.50pm on Sunday.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/797030...mpse-of-air-new-zealand-dreamliner

ZKOJH · Fri May 06, 2016 5:03 am

"Air NZ sale of Virgin stake could be delayed by election"

Air New Zealands proposed divestment of its 25.99 percent stake in Virgin Australia could hit turbulence if an election is called in Australia for July 2 as expected.Friday 06 May 2016 03:23 PM

Air NZ sale of Virgin stake could be delayed by Australian election

By Fiona Rotherham

May 6 (BusinessDesk) – Air New Zealand’s proposed divestment of its 25.99 percent stake in Virgin Australia could hit turbulence if an election is called in Australia for July 2 as expected.

The Kiwi airline is said to have flagged at an investor presentation day this week that it would like the sales process to be completed by June 30, although today it refused any wider public comment on progress on the decision.

http://business.scoop.co.nz/2016/05/...take-could-be-delayed-by-election/

CHCalfonzo · Fri May 06, 2016 5:15 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 137):
Yeah I agree. The yields would be an issue on CHC-LAX, even if the demand is likely there for a 3 x weekly flight.

NZ came close to re-launching CHC-LAX in 2014. They considered upgrading the CHC-PER service to a 777 and rotating the aircraft through LAX. In the end they increased AKL-LAX frequencies instead. Under Luxon the airline has consolidated their flights through AKL so it seems less likely now that they would pursue this, however the increase in competition might from the US might encourage NZ to reconsider their position.

NZ107 · Fri May 06, 2016 6:30 am

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 141):

With their current strategy, I wouldn't be surprised to see them invite UA to start CHC-LAX with the 788.. And then codeshare with them.

zkncj · Fri May 06, 2016 6:41 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 142):
With their current strategy, I wouldn't be surprised to see them invite UA to start CHC-LAX with the 788.. And then codeshare with them.

Makes sense, much less risk that way. I wonder if it could be timed to meet up with the CHC-PER service?

77west · Fri May 06, 2016 6:56 am

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 141):
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 137):Yeah I agree. The yields would be an issue on CHC-LAX, even if the demand is likely there for a 3 x weekly flight.

NZ came close to re-launching CHC-LAX in 2014. They considered upgrading the CHC-PER service to a 777 and rotating the aircraft through LAX. In the end they increased AKL-LAX frequencies instead. Under Luxon the airline has consolidated their flights through AKL so it seems less likely now that they would pursue this, however the increase in competition might from the US might encourage NZ to reconsider their position.

What about something like CHC-RAR-LAX? On the 787, right mix of seating, reflecting the lower yielding demand. Could still rotate via PER

CHCalfonzo · Fri May 06, 2016 7:09 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 143):
Makes sense, much less risk that way. I wonder if it could be timed to meet up with the CHC-PER service?

The USA market to CHC has grown by 12% over the last year, putting it at number 4 on the list of nationalities passing through CHC behind Australians, UK and Chinese passport holders (CIAL Feb figures). I think there's a case to be made that a UA/NZ Australasian network including LAX/SFO to SYD, AKL, MEL and CHC is pretty strong. Add a flight to BNE as well and you've got the tourism network very well covered, allowing people to enter and leave through a wide range of ports.

We seem to be in an aviation environment conjusive to expansion with low fuel prices and efficient long haul aircraft entering fleets all over the world, now seems like the time that a route like this would be considered.

sunrisevalley · Fri May 06, 2016 11:58 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 134):
I think we would see another destination (DEN

I don't see DEN with the present fleet. The hit to MTOW is just too much in my view. A 789 would be hard pressed to carry max passenger load.

777ER · Fri May 06, 2016 2:07 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 146):

I see DEN being possible with B778s.

sunrisevalley · Fri May 06, 2016 3:54 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 147):
I see DEN being possible with B778s.

The 77W MTOW is less than max passenger load out of DEN assuming DEN-AKL at a bit over 14hrs. Not sure if the 778 would improve on this . Its weights and power are pretty similar to the 77W

77west · Fri May 06, 2016 8:41 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 148):
The 77W MTOW is less than max passenger load out of DEN assuming DEN-AKL at a bit over 14hrs. Not sure if the 778 would improve on this . Its weights and power are pretty similar to the 77W

Yes but it has a bigger wing, and will be lighter than a 77W as it is marginally smaller as well.

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