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Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:50 pm

I booked ORD-DEN-ORD a while back for travel in July. Just before I booked, AA swapped one or two 738s for MD-80s on DEN-ORD. Now, my outbound flight has also been changed from a 738 to an MD-80.

The curious thing is that all of the Republic Embrear 175s have been pulled. It's all mainline on the route, solely with MD-80s.

Has AA changed the retirement schedule for the MD-80 fleet, because oil is still below $45 a barrel? Certainly, with oil low and analysts not expecting any prices higher than $50 a barrel for the foreseeable future, I can see having more MD-80s than originally planned to fly this summer.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:45 pm

AA is holding firm on the retirement schedule,
in fact 36 will be retired in Q3 alone.

The DWH hangar on the east side of DFW
will be mighty busy withdrawing all those birds in one quarter.

IIRC, the S80's will be gone by end of Q3, 2017
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:54 pm

Quoting ckfred (Thread starter):
Has AA changed the retirement schedule for the MD-80 fleet, because oil is still below $45 a barrel? Certainly, with oil low and analysts not expecting any prices higher than $50 a barrel for the foreseeable future, I can see having more MD-80s than originally planned to fly this summer.

Oil may play a part, but I think ORD-DEN's return to all mainline may have more to do with the rebanking of the ORD hub last year. ORD-DEN was historically a mainline-only route for American, but with the move to a rolling hub in the mid 2000s, more and more Eagle planes started to creep onto the route. With the return to a banked operation, DEN is supporting all-mainline operations again.

Similar story with ORD-MSP, which I believe is back to all mainline again after several years of mixed operations. There's also mainline back on flights to EWR, SAT, DTW, MCI and ATL at certain times of the day. Former mainline routes to SLC, ELP and ABQ are still all-Eagle, though.

That said, you're probably right that lower oil prices could enable AA to keep more MD80s in the fleet should they need additional mainline capacity at peak times. Not a bad situation to be in, and it works as long as oil stays cheap...
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:08 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 1):
36 will be retired in Q3 alone.

damn...that's 12 per month! Busy is right!!
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:20 pm

I thought I read somewhere that AA needed to rewire some electrical stuff by 2018 per the FAA. Not sure if thats true or not. In either case, there's really no point in trying to extend the life of these birds as parts become more difficult to find.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:05 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 4):
there's really no point in trying to extend the life of these birds as parts become more difficult to find.

With all the M80s American has retired and parked? Unless they've sold all of them off for scrap they should have an almost endless part supply for the last few years they intend to operate the Mad Dog!

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:20 am

FAT-DFW goes 738 in May and goes back to MD80 in June. At that point, only the occasional red eye is a 738. I have no idea as to why the MD80 returns on the 2X day schedule.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:38 am

They should keep the newer MD-80s and use the money on new planes to invest elsewhere with the cheap fuel prices.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:13 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 7):
They should keep the newer MD-80s and use the money on new planes to invest elsewhere with the cheap fuel prices.

That is the easy part.
Training and hiring of excess pilots for the old 80's for short term is going to be the hard part.
Most of your present MD-80 Captains and FO's will move up to the newer mainline equipment as it comes on line.
You would be looking at double the training costs to keep a MD-80 on short term operation. First to train on MD-80 and then to whatever mainline positions that open up.
The MD-80's will leave on schedule unless there is some major hiccup that slows the transition to new equipment.

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:55 am

The last MD-80 flight is scheduled for Aug, 2017. However, Parker stated in a recent Crew Meeting in DFW that there's a slight possibility that a few MD-80s may stick around a bit longer to back fill in case there's difficulty in hiring enough regional pilots. He specifically mentioned Republic and the E-175s.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:20 am

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 1):
in fact 36 will be retired in Q3 alone.
Quoting cathay747 (Reply 3):
damn...that's 12 per month! Busy is right!!

Actually, I believe that's all at the END of Q3
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:21 am

The MD-80 retirement scheduled may be skewed a little bit shortly. With the loss of the Republic E70s, ML capacity is needed to fill some gaps
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:22 am

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 1):
AA is holding firm on the retirement schedule,
in fact 36 will be retired in Q3 alone.

Wow, that is impressive.

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 1):
IIRC, the S80's will be gone by end of Q3, 2017

Sounds right, there are required upgrades to fly in 2018 that cost too much. Since the planes need to be stripped of AA owned material before flying to the scrap yard, there must be a 45 day buffer.

Quoting rta (Reply 4):
I thought I read somewhere that AA needed to rewire some electrical stuff by 2018 per the FAA.

Rewiring and I thought avionics (rewiring to enable the avionics too).

Quoting rta (Reply 4):
In either case, there's really no point in trying to extend the life of these birds as parts become more difficult to find.

The supply chain is treating MD-80 parts as boutique parts as too few were going through overhaul. In other words, the price of overhaul is more than what a new part was just a few years ago. Some parts have plenty of spares out there. Some... they'll run out of parts by mid 2018 (if the MD-80s kept flying) unless the 3Q retirement plans are kept...

Quoting UA444 (Reply 7):
They should keep the newer MD-80s and use the money on new planes to invest elsewhere with the cheap fuel prices.

MD-80s are great for low utilization (only flying when passengers are willing to pay a premium). But they relative maintenance costs is higher. Without a parts network, reliability will be an issue. Remember DL bought a huge number of parts a couple of years ago to ride out the end of life situation. Even G4 has plans to retire their fleet by 2020.

Thanks to the NEO and soon MAX, resale of newer airframes has dropped. For example, G4 has noted that A319 CASM is below their MD-80 CASM and they were paying for A319s!    With the drop in used A319 prices, G4 has even worked on accelerating MD-80 retirement and they 'pinch pennies.'

While a durable airframe, it takes 'economy of scale' to keep planes flying economically. Some of the new technology also costs less (e.g., new engines require 40% of the overhauls of the JT8D, it isn't just fuel burn).

Even DL is now talking about replacing the MD-80s. Not immediately, but there will be very few in 2020.

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:49 am

Rode on two AA MD-80s yesterday, ORD-DFW-ABQ
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:13 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12):
Even DL is now talking about replacing the MD-80s. Not immediately, but there will be very few in 2020.

That is four years away. Delta will keep flying the their MD-88 as long as it is economically possible.

Quoting rta (Reply 4):
I thought I read somewhere that AA needed to rewire some electrical stuff by 2018 per the FAA. Not sure if thats true or not. In either case, there's really no point in trying to extend the life of these birds as parts become more difficult to find.

Does Delta need to rewire their MD-88s or was that done when they were all upgraded to MD-88s?   
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:29 pm

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 14):
That is four years away. Delta will keep flying the their MD-88 as long as it is economically possible.

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:13 pm

Question is, what's going to be the final route with a Mad Dog on it?

Finger crossed for DFW-ORD-STL!

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:41 pm

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 14):
Delta will keep flying the their MD-88 as long as it is economically possible.

Agreed. At today's aircraft pricing, it is immediate payoff to change out though. Plus added flexibility due to range. E.g., fly DFW-TPA-LAX-DFW instead of DFW-TPA-DFW-XXX.

Remember, truely cheap fuel is oil under $30/bbl. The Pratt GTFs were engineered to have a business case at $30/bbl oil. Recall a MD-80 burns more fuel than a 738 with the old winglets or an A320 without Sharklets. JT8Ds have a maintenance interval of 8,000 (ish, going from memory) vs. today's standard of 20k cycles (both GTF and LEAP will be PIP'd for more). Not to mention the new engines warn about needed part replacement in lieu of expensive inspections (OK, warn too much on the PW1127G for LH...).

AA received a killer deal on A319s. So easy payback. With Sharklets, even earlier.

G4 is replacing MD-80s with A319s and A320s. Thanks to lower maintenance and fuel costs, they fly the Airbus frames almost twice as much per day at a lower CASM despite higher acquisition costs (no Sharklets too).

DL is shopping thanks to the sharp drop in airframe pricing in the last year.

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:02 pm

Is AA still planning to close the DFW MD-80 crew base at some point, leaving ORD as the last MD-80 crew base?
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:13 pm

http://www.departedflights.com/images/AAM801092.jpg

A little nostalgia. AA Super 80 Seat Map circa 1992.
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:17 pm

Quoting tWA1985 (Reply 19):
A little nostalgia. AA Super 80 Seat Map circa 1992.

It's interesting over the years how the F cabin has slowly grown. It started out with 12. In the early 90s, it went to 14. When the cabins were refurbished in the late 90s, it went to 16.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:14 pm

Quoting tWA1985 (Reply 19):
A little nostalgia. AA Super 80 Seat Map circa 1992.

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:59 pm

This may be a stupid question but how do they decide which order to retire them? Is it based off when they are due for a D-check? Because there's some from the late 80s that are still flying while I think some newer ones are already retired.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:02 pm

Quoting TripleA (Reply 22):
This may be a stupid question but how do they decide which order to retire them? Is it based off when they are due for a D-check? Because there's some from the late 80s that are still flying while I think some newer ones are already retired.

I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect as they come up on their heavy overhauls,

they're removed from service and flown to ROW for retirement
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:19 pm

How many are in ROW? There's pics in the database from recently and there's rows of them. You'd think they'd run out of room. And they aren't being scrapped or torn apart since the engines are sealed and the Windows still taped up.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:43 pm

Now, my outbound flight has also been changed from a 738 to an MD-80.

Bonus - never happens to me that way around, always changes for the worse from something nice to junk like 738/319 etc etc
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:43 pm

I know this is a AA thread, but AirFleets shows
DL with 116 MD80s with a 25.8 average age
AA with 93 MD80s with a 23.8 average age

Is DL planning on at least MD80 retirements?

DL also has 65 MD90s with a 19.2 average age
DL also has 91 B717s with a 14.7 average age
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:55 pm

Quoting whatusaid (Reply 6):
FAT-DFW goes 738 in May and goes back to MD80 in June. At that point, only the occasional red eye is a 738. I have no idea as to why the MD80 returns on the 2X day schedule.

I noticed that too..though at one point I had looked out to late summer and FLT #2533 was 738 thru August. So, maybe just holding "aircraft utilization positions" (for lack of a better term) due to

A. Pace of deliveries from Renton?

or B: pace of training/ transition cockpit crews to 738"s?

It seems illogical once you make the switch to go back after just a month.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:12 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 18):
Is AA still planning to close the DFW MD-80 crew base at some point, leaving ORD as the last MD-80 crew base?

I 2nd the question.

What is the last crew base? ORD or DFW?

Quoting calpsafltskeds (Reply 26):
Is DL planning on at least MD80 retirements?

They have bid requests out for the replacement by end of 2020. G4 is planning to retire all MD-80s by 2020 also. That leaves no planned large operators of the type 2021+.

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Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:23 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 24):
How many are in ROW? There's pics in the database from recently and there's rows of them. You'd think they'd run out of room. And they aren't being scrapped or torn apart since the engines are sealed and the Windows still taped up.

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Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:34 pm

Are they all still going to ROW for retirement? Haven seen many of them going there lately.
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:54 pm

Quoting ksphkca (Reply 25):
Now, my outbound flight has also been changed from a 738 to an MD-80.

It was the opposite that happened to me a few months ago. I booked a LGA-ORD flight on an MD-80, connecting on a 767 to CDG. A while after making the reservation, AA calls me to inform me of a schedule change. The MD-80 was switched to a 738, but other than that same schedule same routing same flight number...just a change in equipment.

Quoting Qantas59 (Reply 30):
Are they all still going to ROW for retirement?

I know one of them is in Miami, N234AA. It was donated to some aviation school. Here it is.


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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:50 pm

I want to book a flight on one sometime in the next year (preferably this summer) since I haven't gotten to fly on one since September 2001. But I just know my luck in that I'll book a flight for one and then it will get changed to a different plane.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:49 pm

Quoting TripleA (Reply 32):
I want to book a flight on one sometime in the next year (preferably this summer) since I haven't gotten to fly on one since September 2001. But I just know my luck in that I'll book a flight for one and then it will get changed to a different plane.

MCI/TUL/STL/AUS/SAT/IAH/OKC are probably the best bets. They will come and go on other routes much more frequently subject to change. MSY is also a decent bet as well
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:54 pm

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 33):
MCI/TUL/STL/AUS/SAT/IAH/OKC are probably the best bets. They will come and go on other routes much more frequently subject to change. MSY is also a decent bet as well

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:40 am

Why didn't AA use their MD-80s to serve MIA at all after they closed their MD-80s base at MIA ?
I mean they didn't even use it for scheduled DFW-MIA-DFW or ORD-MIA-ORD
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:07 am

Found an old link, if I scale, the latest 738 (with scimitar winglets) should save about $10 of fuel per 1,000nm per passenger:
http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/2014_May/md80/

Quoting GG22 (Reply 35):

Why didn't AA use their MD-80s to serve MIA at all after they closed their MD-80s base at MIA ?

MD-80s have a engine icing issue in humid climates. It was an insurance cost issue.

Quoting ssteve (Reply 29):
Perhaps the MD-80SF is going to the the spoke of Amazon's growing network

   Amazon has ambitions for high utilization, they'll pick a newer type (not necessarily new, but one able to handle more cycles per day reliably.) Parts for the MD-80 are pretty much used at this point (excluding wear items such as seals, brakes, tires, and commonly replaced engine parts).


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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:58 am

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 14):
or was that done when they were all upgraded to MD-88s?

If I recall correctly, all but 8 came from the factory as 88s. The first few were delivered as 82s and then upgraded. But, I don't know the answer to your actual question.

Quoting calpsafltskeds (Reply 26):
DL with 116 MD80s with a 25.8 average age

Those are all 88s, and will run a few years more, but not too many.
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Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:09 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 36):
MD-80s have a engine icing issue in humid climates. It was an insurance cost issue.

It is no surprise the MD-80s have flown to a lot of destinations in the Southwest of the country for a long time, because of the dry climate, destinations included but were not limited to SAN, PSP, PHX, ABQ, TUS and LAS.
The other reason they closed the MD-80 base in MIA long ago, late 90s IIRC, was because the MD-80 has a low cargo capacity compared to other types in the fleet.
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Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:46 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 36):
MD-80s have a engine icing issue in humid climates. It was an insurance cost issue.

Really?

How does DL deal with this (as they fly MD-80s extensively throughout the Southeast?
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:25 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 36):
MD-80s have a engine icing issue in humid climates. It was an insurance cost issue.
Quoting American 767 (Reply 38):
The other reason they closed the MD-80 base in MIA long ago, late 90s IIRC, was because the MD-80 has a low cargo capacity compared to other types in the fleet.

I thought AA primarily withdrew their MD80s from MIA because they didn't have lifevests for overwater ops, which are many of the routes out of MIA.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:34 pm

Quoting Vctony (Reply 39):
How does DL deal with this (as they fly MD-80s extensively throughout the Southeast?

AA had several near misses on approach to MIA with nacelle ice going into the engines.

Ice builds up when a cold airframe drops from a high cruise altitude where the airframe has had enough time to cold soak and then decend into very humid air where there is enough humidity to ice the engine. DL isn't flying far from ATL, I suspect the nacelle hasn't cold soaked as much as the AA flights from further away. Note: I do not know all the details. I would assume MIA suffers from being exposed to tropical moisture crossing the land mass.

Found plenty of MD-80 engine icing issues, one example:

http://www.ntsb.gov/about/employment...h/Recommendation.aspx?Rec=A-04-035

AA at MIA would also be flying quite a few flights with greater reserve fuel. The MD-80 had a problem with icing when fuel chilled in the wings (cold enough to freeze water from the air, but not rain as that would transfer heat fast enough). This is due to no engines in the wing (colder anti-ice air, necessitating heating blankets on the MD-80) and how wing ice goes into the engines (doubling the problem). DL isn't flying far enough in the Southeast to have the wing fuel chill. They also tend to sit at ATL for a long hub (warming the wings/fuel in wings). Ironically, the cold fuel only impacts quick turns that take on relatively little new (warm) fuel compared to the amount of cold fuel in the wing.

Through good procedures, the issue could be avoided. But not completely.

Here is a DL MD-80 with ice building up, mind you further up North in the winter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vklKrlnUzpI

I'm going from memory, but AA had a series of MD-80 engine icing issues in the early 2000s at MIA. It could have been maintenance or corrosion of anti-ice components.

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:14 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 40):
I thought AA primarily withdrew their MD80s from MIA because they didn't have lifevests for overwater ops, which are many of the routes out of MIA

That is the reason. They fly them to TPA with no issues and MCO.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:36 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 41):
AA at MIA would also be flying quite a few flights with greater reserve fuel. The MD-80 had a problem with icing when fuel chilled in the wings (cold enough to freeze water from the air, but not rain as that would transfer heat fast enough). This is due to no engines in the wing (colder anti-ice air, necessitating heating blankets on the MD-80) and how wing ice goes into the engines (doubling the problem). DL isn't flying far enough in the Southeast to have the wing fuel chill.

Wasn't DL using MD-88s on Caribbean ops just a few years ago? Not just CUN, but beyond to BZE and others IIRC. I'm certain they were on routes greater than 1,000sm.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:44 am

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:25 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 43):
Wasn't DL using MD-88s on Caribbean ops just a few years ago? Not just CUN, but beyond to BZE and others IIRC. I'm certain they were on routes greater than 1,000sm.

Yes and yes. AA just had some icing incidents and that made it an easy decision on which of the MD-80 bases to close. So the MD-80 can be safely flown in humid conditions, there were considerations on operations. One of the reasons Pratt hasn't seen a business case for trying to further extend JT8D cycle life is the icing issue.

It could have been maintenance costs. MD-80s had to have more fuel heater protection than an aircraft with wing mounted engines (engines under the wing heat the wing/fuel in wing).

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:48 am

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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:42 pm

Quoting ksphkca (Reply 25):
Bonus - never happens to me that way around, always changes for the worse from something nice to junk like 738/319 etc etc

Some would argue that swapping an MD-80 for a 738/A319 is swapping out the junk. Although, I had booked a flight from ORD to MIA. It started out as a 763, was swapped for a 738, then was swapped again for a 772, only to be cancelled the day before because another 772 went tech. Fortunately, I was rebooked onto a 763 and got to try out the new J product.

Quoting GG22 (Reply 35):
Why didn't AA use their MD-80s to serve MIA at all after they closed their MD-80s base at MIA ?
I mean they didn't even use it for scheduled DFW-MIA-DFW or ORD-MIA-ORD

AA closed the MD-80 base at MIA and the 738 base at ORD. That was around early 2005, IIRC. By eliminating an aircraft type from a base, it cuts costs. AA didn't have to stock 738 parts in the inventory at ORD and MD-80 parts at MIA. By eliminating an aircraft type, it reduced the number of reserve pilots at each base.
 
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RE: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:14 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 46):

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Re: Current Status Of AA MD-80s

Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:04 am

Are the S80s still planned for retirement by Q3 2017? I remember reading somewhere about 5 days ago that an update on the type by AA was due soon.
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