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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:41 pm

According to the The Globe and Mail Air Canada plane crash-landed in Newfoundland.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...s-in-newfoundland/article29705021/

The accompaning stock photo of Gander caught my eye.



I believe that the planes are lining up for runway 12 but it looks like the jets are parked there.





What are we looking at?
In this 2001 file photo, planes line up on the runway of the Gander, Nfld., airport. (Nav Canada/The Associated Press)



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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:43 pm

the picture is made on 9/11 when all aircraft bound for the USA got diverted due to airspace closure.
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:44 pm

This was right after 9/11 when all the flights were diverted and ATC got them on the ground as quickly as possible.
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:49 pm

Here is another article with perhaps more accurate pictures:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...ash-landing-newfoundland-1.3546090

According to CBC, it was Air Canada Express Beechcraft 1900 that sustained damage do it's
nose landing gear while landing at Gander which caused the nose gear to collapse.
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:51 pm

The picture, as attached to this story, adds absolutely nothing. Notching more than a waste of space.

Now, a sentence or two reminding us of 9/11 might have made it worthwhile.
 
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:04 pm

So, I'm somewhat of a novice at identifying aircraft, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Is that a C-5 Galaxy parked right at the threshold for 12?
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:09 pm

Quoting Calder (Reply 5):
Is that a C-5 Galaxy parked right at the threshold for 12?

Yes it is.
 
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:11 pm

Quoting Calder (Reply 5):

Is that a C-5 Galaxy parked right at the threshold for 12?

I would guess it is a AN-124, just because military aircraft weren't grounded.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:16 pm

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 7):
I would guess it is a AN-124, just because military aircraft weren't grounded.

It's definitely a C-5: the An-124 doesn't have a T-tail, the one in the picture does.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:38 pm

Can we change the thread title please to something less dramatic?
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:24 pm

Quoting copter808 (Reply 4):
Now, a sentence or two reminding us of 9/11 might have made it worthwhile.

Seams so few know of the Gander story on 9-11. Here’s NBC’s Tom Brokaw’s piece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXbxoy4Mges

Thousands of passengers arriving on all those widebodiesthat had to be put up and fed for several days…doubling the town’s population.
 
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:32 pm

Can we please get a title change?
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:41 pm

The nose gear collapsed on the B1900 of EVAS, operating as AC Express landing in 54 knot winds at YQX.


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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:32 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
The nose gear collapsed on the B1900 of EVAS, operating as AC Express landing in 54 knot winds at YQX.



Newfoundland is defintely not for the faint hearted.

One thing that stands out is the ice build up on the spinners and the vertical stab....

Glad all are ok!
 
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:43 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
54 knot winds at YQX.

 Wow!

Seems like a tad bit too much for a 1900...or am I overreacting as an armchair 1900 pilot?
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:51 pm

Wow. Looks bad/sounds like heavy winds.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:02 pm

Ice or foam from fire trucks ?

Basically they slammed it on the runway and the gear didn't like it.
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AC Express aircraft landed with collapsed nose gear in YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:05 pm

Quoting Western727 (Reply 14):
Seems like a tad bit too much for a 1900...or am I overreacting as an armchair 1900 pilot?

No idea but looks like everybody lived. Good!
 
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:00 pm

Quoting Whiteguy (Reply 13):
One thing that stands out is the ice build up on the spinners and the vertical stab....

I agree, but it's hard to draw any conclusions without knowing how long it had been sitting there with the systems off before the photo was taken.
 
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:14 pm

Quoting JohnGalt (Reply 18):
I agree, but it's hard to draw any conclusions without knowing how long it had been sitting there with the systems off before the photo was taken.

Photo was taken by a pax. According to the article, the pax claimed it was 20 minutes before emergency services arrived, so I would guess he took the picture after leaving the plane but before getting on a bus or other vehicle. Maybe 20 ~ 40 minutes after landing?

Please read the news articled cited in an above post:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...ash-landing-newfoundland-1.3546090
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:25 pm

Glad everyone was ok.

I've flown EVAS many times, a good bunch of people doing their best to get people to their destinations. As Longhauler said, Newfoundland is not for the faint of heart, but these people do it every day, just this landing didn't work out as planned.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 16):
Ice or foam from fire trucks ?

That's not foam, it's ice and snow, common for Newfoundland, even this late in the spring. I've seen a snowstorm cause a fatal car crash early in June.

Having said all this, it's very beautiful to fly across Newfoundland at low altitude on a nice day, summer or winter.
 
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:39 am

Quoting Whiteguy (Reply 13):
One thing that stands out is the ice build up on the spinners and the vertical stab...

and where are the blades?
 
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:55 am

Quoting JohnGalt (Reply 18):
I agree, but it's hard to draw any conclusions without knowing how long it had been sitting there with the systems off before the photo was taken.

Ice doesn't build up like that on the spinner and vertical stab with the aircraft just sitting there, that was picked up in flight. There is no anti icing or deicing equipment on those parts of the aircraft.

Quoting ezalpha (Reply 21):

and where are the blades?


The blades sheared off when they hit the ground after the nose gear collapsed...
 
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:13 pm

Quoting Whiteguy (Reply 22):
The blades sheared off when they hit the ground after the nose gear collapsed...

A passenger reported to the CBC that part of the wingtip came through the aircraft, but I would suspect that it was a prop blade, or part of a blade that hit the fuselage. I believe the blades on the 1900 are aluminum, so they certainly would have the potential to puncture the fuselage if they hit at the right angle.
 
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:15 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
Newfoundland is defintely not for the faint hearted.

You're not kidding! I once arrived at YYT, and as I was entering the terminal i passed some FA's who were also arriving*. I overheard: "We're supposed to fly in THIS?" (* not AC crew, by the way   )

I'm sure you've had some interesting landings.

Quoting m1m2 (Reply 23):
A passenger reported to the CBC that part of the wingtip came through the aircraft, but I would suspect that it was a prop blade, or part of a blade that hit the fuselage. I believe the blades on the 1900 are aluminum, so they certainly would have the potential to puncture the fuselage if they hit at the right

That struck me too (it's my the one flying phobia that I allow myself - I will never accept a seat on a turboprop that is in line with the prop blades). I would assume that the B1900 has a reinforced fuselage to prevent the blades from penetrating the fuselage?
 
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:23 pm

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 24):
I'm sure you've had some interesting landings.

My very first CAT II approach and landing as a brand new B737 Captain was at YYT. RVR 1200 (1/4 mile viz) but with 40 knot winds!

The odd thing is that when the sun shines, Newfoundland is one of the most beautiful places on earth. And the people are legendary. Not just on Spetember 11 when the lined up for miles to take stranded passengers in, (and made friends for life), but living there, they are very forgiving of weather issues.

If I had to deal with passengers, I'd rather a two day delay in YYT than a 20 minute delay in PBI!
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:36 pm

Quoting m1m2 (Reply 23):
I believe the blades on the 1900 are aluminum, so they certainly would have the potential to puncture the fuselage if they hit at the right angle.

Nope, they're of composite manufacture. They don't deal with any kind of damage real well.

Quoting Western727 (Reply 14):
Seems like a tad bit too much for a 1900...or am I overreacting as an armchair 1900 pilot?

If it wasn't much of a crosswind, 50+ knots wouldn't be terrible in the 1900.

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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:01 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 25):
The odd thing is that when the sun shines, Newfoundland is one of the most beautiful places on earth. And the people are legendary.

It is categorically impossible to have a drink alone in a bar in Newfoundland. I used to travel there many times years ago when I worked as a scientist in the pulp and paper industry. If you sat down alone in a bar to nurse a Moosehead, within minutes someone would be chatting with you. They have GOT to be the friendliest people I ever encountered.

My hairiest flying experience there (as pax; never flew my Beech out there), was landing at Stephenville in a winter storm, in an EPA 737. Short final, absolutely nothing to see outside; I was in the first row and could hear the marker beacon. Next to me was an RCAF pilot with whom I'd bee chatting. Suddenly the engines spooled, and I said to my seat mate "go-around"! He said "naw, just adding power to adjust sink rate". Wanna bet? I won the bet, the captain came on to say he'd lost sight of the field on short final and had to go around. We landed on the second attempt. How is beyond me, I couldn't see beyond the wingtip. And besides visibility, gusty winds and turbulence.

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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:07 pm

Us Newfoundlanders were happy to help out on 9/11 and would do so again, hopefully it's never again needed for that reason though. I was there and saw people who were very lost get comforted by friendly people. I'm glad we could help.

I'm from that area, people there are just like that, I can't explain why.

We have to be forgiving of weather issues, we can get winter weather practically 9 months of the year, it's just easier to accept it than complain, after all, it can't be changed...and if you don't like it, wait a couple of hours, it'll probably change.
 
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RE: AC Express Aircraft Landed With Collapsed Nose Gear In YQX

Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:12 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 25):
My very first CAT II approach and landing as a brand new B737 Captain was at YYT. RVR 1200 (1/4 mile viz) but with 40 knot winds!

Incidentally, we had our very first operational CATIII approach and landing today here in YYT. AC690 (A320) landed with the RVR's between 400/500 and the winds were 050 13 gusting 25. We could barely see the plane until it was on the lead in line for the gate.
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