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American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:08 am

American has 100 737 MAX 8s on order, but have conflicting due dates on when the first units arrive on property. One source says 2020, and another says next year in 2017  

Very excited for the 737 MAX 8, especially with our airline! Anyone know?
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:51 am

From the AA 737 Fleet Director's page dated: 9/23/2015 (still his most recent posting)....
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:24 pm

Delivery schedule
2017 (4)
2018 (16)
2019 (20)
2020 (20)
2021+ (40)
TOTAL (100)

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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:41 pm

Since these are clearly not MD-80 replacements, makes me wonder when AA will start retiring their earliest 737-800, which were delivered in 1999
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:55 pm

These are LUS A320 and LAA 738 replacements. They may even retire a few A319s.
 
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:02 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 2):
Since these are clearly not MD-80 replacements, makes me wonder when AA will start retiring their earliest 737-800, which were delivered in 1999

I always said that. I always said that in a not too distant future American would phase out the early built 737-800s, I believe 75 of them that were delivered between 1999 and 2002. I won't be surprised if that happens starting in 2018 once the last MD-80 is gone. I think that the 737MAX is also a Domestic 757 replacement, as the A321/321NEO is.

Or course the newer 800s that date from the late 2000s and early 2010s are not going anywhere anytime soon. I believe that there are still a few 800s of the current generation waiting to be delivered. The last 800 won't leave before 2030.
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:42 pm

The majority of these will be A320 replacements for sure. I also see them using 8 of them for the PHX-Hawaii routes and maybe some other international 757 routes. The 53 remaining 320s by end of year definitely need replacement and AA seems happy to slap 10 extra seats on the route and run it that way.
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:14 pm

So is American completely disposing of the A320 fleet? I know that they're keeping the LUS A319 and A321, but I haven't heard anything about the middle child in the A320.

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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:20 pm

Quoting jeffh747 (Reply 7):
So is American completely disposing of the A320 fleet? I know that they're keeping the LUS A319 and A321, but I haven't heard anything about the middle child in the A320.

AA's oldest A320 has a 1996 in-service date. They stretch out to 2010. I don't expect a full exit from A320s for quite some time.

The oldest 738 is from 1999.

The oldest A321 is from 2001.
 
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:20 pm

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 6):
The 53 remaining 320s by end of year definitely need replacement and AA seems happy to slap 10 extra seats on the route and run it that way.

No, they don't. They aren't old.
 
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:24 pm

Quoting jeffh747 (Reply 7):
So is American completely disposing of the A320 fleet?

I believe so, they are among the oldest birds in the fleet besides the MD-80s. Because remember, before the merger with US Airways, the original plan was back in 2011 to order the A319 and A321 but not the A320, the 738 would be the one to fill the gap between the 319 and the 321. I don't think American will order additional A320s OEO or NEOs. The only reason I see why they would keep the ex-US 320s for a while is fleet commonality with the 319s and the 321s.

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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:36 pm

Quoting Vctony (Reply 4):
These are LUS A320 and LAA 738 replacements. They may even retire a few A319s.

I think we need to go back to what was AA's plan, when it announced the Airbus narrowbody and Boeing 738 orders, back in 2011.

I seem to recall that the plan was to replace a lot of the MD-80 fleet with 738s, both NGs and MAXs. The A319s were supposed to be a combination of MD-80 replacements and picking up some of the flying by Eagle. The 757s were being replaced by a combination of 738s and A321s (which also replaced the 762s on the trans-con runs). Also, the A319s were going to replace the 757s flying into high-altitude airports, such as the ski resorts, because of better performance.

I'm sure that the plan has been revised, in light of the merger.

By the same token, I wouldn't expect that early 738s will start leaving as soon as the MD-80 retirement is complete. They all went through significant refurbishment, including cockpit upgrades (they all lost their eyebrow windows as part of the upgrades) and cabin upgrades, which includes the the same interiors and LCD monitors as the newer builds before the BSI interiors. I seem to recall the cabin refurbishment was complicated.

I think there are MD-80s still flying that were delivered in 1988. That means 28 years of service. Considering that the oldest 738 is only 17 years old, I don't think it's going to retire in the next 3 to 4 years.
 
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:00 am

What aircraft will replace the A320s that run the pm-US Shuttles along the East Coast? Are they going to be all A319 or some B738 /MAX's will be used too?
 
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:47 am

Quoting vs11 (Reply 12):
What aircraft will replace the A320s that run the pm-US Shuttles along the East Coast?

AA is running shuttle flights with A-319 and E-190 aircraft. Been that way for some time now.
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:59 am

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 13):
AA is running shuttle flights with A-319 and E-190 aircraft. Been that way for some time now.

Thank you! But are these just US A319s or do they use the new ones that pm-AA ordered? Are the pm-AA A319s going to replace the pm-US A319 on the Shuttles when they start to retire them? Are the Shuttles going to be Embraer only? Would AA deploy B737/Max on the Shuttles?
 
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RE: American 737 MAX 8: Due When?

Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:44 pm

So far, most of the LUS routes are being run by L:US equipment, and the same thing on LAA routes.

BTW, I just flew IND-LAX on a newly reconfigured LUS A319 which is in the 8/120 configuration, but without the seat back video monitors. In the coach section, much more roomy than the LAA planes, as the video monitor takes up a bit more space.

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