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Quoting cloudboy (Thread starter): Could they lease that aircraft out to a domestic airline to fly in between those times? |
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 4): Simple answer: NO Aircrew from one airline cannot operate the aircraft of another carrier. Aircrew under one AOC cannot operate on an aircraft under another AOC. Aircraft is insured under one operator.. |
Quoting cloudboy (Thread starter): Along that same line - QANTAS has a flight from LAX to JFK, but they cannot sell seats on that leg. Could theoretically a code share partner, say AA or AS, sell tickets on that leg, since they are a domestic airline, and then just treat that as a codeshare flight? |
Quoting incitatus (Reply 11): This answer seems a bit simple. I think it can probably be done under a wet lease. |
Quoting cloudboy (Thread starter): Say a foreign carrier had a flight that spent several hours sitting on the ground waiting to return. Could they lease that aircraft out to a domestic airline to fly in between those times? |
Quoting diverted (Reply 3): BN did this with Concorde back in the day. Believe they'd re-register it upon landing with an N number, and they had crews rated for it. I believe BA's insurance mandated they have BA crews observing. |
Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 8): Before deregulation in the US a number of airlines flew interchange services where the same |
Quoting BravoOne (Reply 19): Braniff flew the Concorde from IAD to DFW. How did that work? |
Quoting hispanola (Reply 22): |
Quoting richardw (Reply 24): The clearest examples of parked aircraft are A380s. QF park one all day at LHR and BA at JNB. |
Quoting techspec (Reply 28): Someone from Alaska Airlines may be able to verify this. I remember in the late 80's early 90's there were a few 727-200 aircraft operated by Alaska; they flew from ANC to SEA, switched crews with American and headed to Texas, Houston I believe. The route arrangement primarily served the oil industry in Texas and Alaska. |
Quoting tonystan (Reply 23): I was very much under the impr session that the cabin crew where for all intents and purposes Aer Lingus cabin crew trained to Aer Lingus SOPs and IAA AOC but hired via a US based agency. The IAD base often operated with Ireland and UK based crew on secondment. |
Quoting richardw (Reply 24): QF park one all day at LHR and BA at JNB. |
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 30): The TE/BA example above (question- were the flight crew BA or TE? |
Quoting hispanola (Reply 31): |
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 14): As for "sharing aircrew", that gets a little tricky. as each airline will have its own SOP's. EG, Aer Lingus currently operate B757 ex SNN and DUB. However these are in fact operated by ASL Airlines (used to be called Air Contractors) under a franchise agreement, the aircraft and the flight crew are ASL Ireland/Air Contractors staff. The cabin crew/flight attendants are Aer Lingus crew trained to ASL procedures. So in this sense they sorta 'share' the plane! |
Quoting L1011 (Reply 9): Eastern and Air Canada used to share two L-1011s. Bob Bradley |
Quoting cloudboy (Thread starter): Could airlines share planes? Say a foreign carrier had a flight that spent several hours sitting on the ground waiting to return. Could they lease that aircraft out to a domestic airline to fly in between those times? The idea that for the foreign airline the aircraft is earning money while it waits, and for the domestic it is one plane they dont need to pay for, only pay for those hours of utilization. Along that same line - QANTAS has a flight from LAX to JFK, but they cannot sell seats on that leg. Could theoretically a code share partner, say AA or AS, sell tickets on that leg, since they are a domestic airline, and then just treat that as a codeshare flight? |
Quoting hiflyer (Reply 38): remember two involving pan am...first was the dl interchange atl iad by dl crew then lhr with pa crew (747-100) and the other was national jfk-mia then points south with panam (b707). Pan Am also did some with Panagra in South America as well. |
Quoting smi0006 (Reply 37): NZ and HA did this up until a few years ago. HNL-SYD operated by HA SYD-AKL by NZ not sure where the aircraft went after that, back to HNL or back via SYD. |
Quoting hispanola (Reply 31): One of them couldn't even understand me! |
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 45): The AC/EA Tristar share- I believe these were seasonal swaps- not daily. |
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 45): GF/TW- I never ever saw a GF Tristar at JFK- when did this happen??? |