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Quoting thepinkmachine (Thread starter): whereas in Europe it is pretty rare and serving mostly longhaul flights... |
Quoting thepinkmachine (Thread starter): in Europe it is pretty rare and serving mostly longhaul flights... |
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 5): The A330 isn't anywhere near 'rare' in Europe, most flag carriers use it: Lufthansa, Air France, SAS, Finnair, Brussels Airlines, Alitalia, KLM, Aer Lingus, Iberia, TAP Portugal, Swiss, they've all got it. |
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Quoting sassiciai (Reply 7): Amend the thread title " Why so popular for short haul ......." and then you are correct (and the thread will have less erroneous visits! |
Quoting thepinkmachine (Thread starter): I've been wondering why the A330 is so ubiquitous in Asia, especially on short- and medium-haul routes, whereas in Europe it is pretty rare and serving mostly longhaul flights... |
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 5): The A330 isn't anywhere near 'rare' in Europe, most flag carriers use it: Lufthansa, Air France, SAS, Finnair, Brussels Airlines, Alitalia, KLM, Aer Lingus, Iberia, TAP Portugal, Swiss, they've all got it |
Quoting thepinkmachine (Thread starter): Why does European market prefer smaller planes, ie. 320/737, while Asian market goes for the 330, even on short legs? How does the 330 compare in operating cost per seat to say 320/321? |
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 16): This. Also bear in mind that distances in Asia are huge when compared to Europe, and even North America. While feasible to make trips between many large cities in Europe and North America by car or train, it just isn't feasible to do so with respect to Asia. NRT-SIN is over 7 hours; NRT-BOM over 9 hours. Outside Hawaii, I can't think of any North American routes that long and certain no intra-Europe routes. As a result, most travel between large cities in Asia will be via air rather than other modes of transportation. |
Quoting william (Reply 18): Having grown up in the age of L1011s and DC1s flying domestic routes, I find it interesting the A330 has not found a home on more US domestic routes. Yes, I know crew costs are higher, and the whole frequency argument. I guess the A321 has in essence replaced the Dc10s and L1011s role in US domestic service. |
Quoting william (Reply 18): Having grown up in the age of L1011s and DC1s flying domestic routes, I find it interesting the A330 has not found a home on more US domestic routes. Yes, I know...the whole frequency argument. |
Quoting LH748 (Reply 8): plus CSA, Turkish, Air Serbia, Aeroflot |
Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 22): Distance plays a major role in this I believe |
Quoting william (Reply 18): Having grown up in the age of L1011s and DC1s flying domestic routes, I find it interesting the A330 has not found a home on more US domestic routes. Yes, I know crew costs are higher, and the whole frequency argument. I guess the A321 has in essence replaced the Dc10s and L1011s role in US domestic service. |
Quoting william (Reply 18): I guess the A321 has in essence replaced the Dc10s and L1011s role in US domestic service. |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 13): How many European cities do you know with more than 5 million people? |
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 25): If I would still be an active plane spotter, I now - after reading this statement - would become a train spotter... Who would have thought like this back in the days of the DC10/L1011.. |
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 1): Asian carriers have no need for shorthaul narrow-body twins |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 13): The obvious answer is population size. |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 13): How many European cities do you know with more than 5 million people? 1 or 2 only. In Asia that's called a village |
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 14): Also, ground transportation isn't an option between most Asian capitals. |
Quoting sassiciai (Reply 7): Amend the thread title " Why so popular for short haul ......." and then you are correct (and the thread will have less erroneous visits! |
Quoting migair54 (Reply 10): Asia is so full of narrow-bodies also that Airbus open the first line in Tianjin just to supply that market. |
Quoting migair54 (Reply 10): I think it's because of cargo uplift, operating the widebody allow most of the airlines to move a lot of cargo without needing to have a dedicated cargo fleet. |
Quoting rbavfan (Reply 31): Quoting sassiciai (Reply 7): Amend the thread title " Why so popular for short haul ......." and then you are correct (and the thread will have less erroneous visits! Read the whole title. Its not confusing he's stating its used for sort haul in Asia but rare elsewhere. If you need to add to it so it says "rare for short haul elsewhere" to understand, Sorry. |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 23): There isn't any route in Europe flown by the A330 that is outside the range of the A320/737 from IST. The main factor is the same as for Asia: Istanbul is the largest city in Europe. About 2x larger than London by population. They fly A330's because demand is huge. In addition to that IST is very congested so more frequencies is not really an easy option. |
Quoting HELyes (Reply 35): Thats's the reason Finnair uses widebodies to BRU and LHR 2-3 times a week, more often A350 nowadays but also A333/343. |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 29): Since when? About the only-ones who don't, are the types based in current/former city-states (e.g. SQ, EK, CX, etc). |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 29): Sure, but then again, the overwhelming majority of them probably couldn't afford bus fare, let alone air fare. |
Quoting francoflier (Reply 40): Not only is the population immense, but most of them live in a handful of mega-cities. |
Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 38): I said the longer the distance for a short haul destination, the more likely a widebody will be used. That is why the TK A330 is often scheduled on a London or Paris run, but not on an Athens run. |
Quoting jah718 (Reply 36): Seoul - Jeju Tokyo - Fukuoka Beijing - Shanghai Tokyo - Osaka Hong - Kong - Taipei Tokyo - Okinawa |
Quoting drgmobile (Reply 46): While things are changing, low cost carrier penetration in most parts of Asia also isn't anywhere near what it is in Europe. |
Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 38): I said the longer the distance for a short haul destination, the more likely a widebody will be used. That is why the TK A330 is often scheduled on a London or Paris run, but not on an Athens run. |