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AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:50 pm

Tomorrow April 26th, AIR FRANCE will receive its 70th and last B777, a B777-300ER for which Air France was the launch company back in 2004.

AIR FRANCE operates 25 B777-200ER, 43 B777-300ER (including the last one) and 2 B777 Cargo.

Beside its B777 fleet, AIR FRANCE's long haul fleet consists in 10 A380-800, 15 A330-200, 12 A340-300 (14 actually but 2 of them, F-GLZL & ZT are currently operating for Air Madagascar, under Air Mad colors)

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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:05 pm

Wow, the 777s have come a long way at AF since the original order for 20 B777-200IGW in 1996.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...121.html?search=Air%20France%20777
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:14 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):

That USAir article about cancelling Boeing's is also interesting.
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:28 pm

Doesn't AF have the A350 incoming as well? How many, and what variant?
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:38 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 3):
Doesn't AF have the A350 incoming as well? How many, and what variant?

Yes they do, the A359 variant. 787s also (KLM has it already).

We know they won't order any more A380s because they are not so happy with them, the A380 is not working well on a lot of long haul routes.
Gone are the 747s, the last one left early this year. Next to go are the A340s.
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:50 pm

Wow, 70 777's.
Compare that to the only 26 at KLM. (But they have 3 more coming).
What are the chances AF wil order some more? And KLM?
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 3):

Doesn't AF have the A350 incoming as well? How many, and what variant?

Their original order was 25 firm orders for the A350-900 and 25 options. To be split between AF and KLM.
Last month they cancelled the remaining 2 A380 orders for 3 extra A350; so total firm orders is 28.

There was some speculation that all 787's would be placed at KLM and all A350's at AF (simpler fleets at both airlines) but now it looks like both airlines will get both airplanes.

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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:51 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
AIR FRANCE operates 25 B777-200ER, 43 B777-300ER (including the last one) and 2 B777 Cargo.

It just goes to to show how good the 777 if it even wins over Air France for this many planes, 70 is a hell of a lot making AF the buyer of about 5% of 777 production. One other reason is the availability of GE engines on 777's and only Rolls Rpyce engines on the A340-600, the A340-300 has CFM engines( 50% GE owned).
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:54 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
One other reason is the availability of GE engines on 777's and only Rolls Rpyce engines on the A340-600, the A340-300 has CFM engines( 50% GE owned).

Didn't seem to stop them from getting A350s....
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:08 pm

Wow, didn't know they have that many!!! How many AF777's can you see at CDG at the same time?
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:17 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):
Didn't seem to stop them from getting A350s....

Yes that was surprising. AF and KLM are very loyal to GE.
There was however some discord about the engines though. RR gave AF-KLM a hard time getting maintenance rights.
The A350 must be very good...
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:21 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 9):

Yes that was surprising. AF and KLM are very loyal to GE.
There was however some discord about the engines though. RR gave AF-KLM a hard time getting maintenance rights.
The A350 must be very good...

GE has French connections, so AF gets some tax benefits when they order GE engines. That said, Airbus is also French and if the A350's advantages outweighed the tax drawbacks of getting RR, then it makes sense to AF.
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:26 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 3):
Doesn't AF have the A350 incoming as well? How many, and what variant?
Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
Yes they do, the A359 variant. 787s also (KLM has it already).

I thought I have read that AF have deferred and/or cancelled their 787s, with KLM doing the same with their A350s (so AF would be A350 and KL would be 787).

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
One other reason is the availability of GE engines on 777's and only Rolls Rpyce engines on the A340-600, the A340-300 has CFM engines( 50% GE owned).
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):
Didn't seem to stop them from getting A350s....

Well it did almost stop them for a time, before RR agreed to allow Air France to maintain them in their own MROs (without going through TotalCare).

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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:15 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 8):
How many AF777's can you see at CDG at the same time?

This is where all the 772 pax & F are right now, that is 27 aircraft.

Heading to:

F-GSPC LAX, F-GSPF KIX, F-GSPH PVG, F-GSPI JFK, F-GSPL WUH, F-GSPM PTY, F-GSPX GRU

At:

F-GSPA CAY, F-GSPB ATL, F-GSPD CDG, F-GSPE YYZ, F-GSPG JFK, F-GSPJ IAH, F-GSPK DLA, F-GSPN CDG, F-GSPR CDG, F-GSPS DXB, F-GSPT CDG, F-GSPU CDG, F-GSPY CDG, F-GSPZ CDG

Flying from:

F-GSPO SCL, F-GSPN CAN, F-GSPV EZE

F-GSPQ unknown

B77F: F-GUOB heading to LAD and C to NIM.
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:02 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
Tomorrow April 26th, AIR FRANCE will receive its 70th and last B777

Until they order the X.  
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:57 am

I think if AF had a lower dense A380 with actual lie flat seats in J and maybe 3-3-3 in Y with 33-35' (Impossible but we can dream) they could become more happy with them. My friend flew their A380 last summer from SFO-CDG in Y and CDG-SFO in J and with the pictures he showed me…dang that plane looks OLD! He said that in Y (Being 6'3) is impossible to get comfortable and the entertainment is horrible as well. AF needs to refurbish the plane and change the strategy on them. Than they might want to buy more  
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:35 am

Quoting theSFOspotter (Reply 14):
I think if AF had a lower dense A380 with actual lie flat seats in J and maybe 3-3-3 in Y with 33-35' (Impossible but we can dream) they could become more happy with them.

Nothing that you just said, makes the slightest bit of logical sense.  
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:56 am

70 777s and yet this forum without fail looks at them sideways any time they order an Airbus...
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:43 am

Surprised, with there money issues, that the A340 are still around considering they are still getting B777's.
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:18 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 16):
70 777s and yet this forum without fail looks at them sideways any time they order an Airbus...

True. They had a good fleet of 747's and now 777's. They've got the 787 on order (I believe, at least AFKL). They don't seem shy about ordering Boeing's when it makes sense to order Boeing's.

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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:04 am

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 17):
Surprised, with there money issues, that the A340 are still around considering they are still getting B777's.

Why? They've long since been paid for and amortized.

I doubt that the cost to retain them (until their scheduled retirement) is greater than the revenue that they bring in... otherwise, as you said, they'd likely have been gone as soon as there was a 777 to replace them, with the A350s slated for growth.

Instead, it's been the inverse.
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:22 am

Quoting theSFOspotter (Reply 14):
think if AF had a lower dense A380 with actual lie flat seats in J and maybe 3-3-3 in Y with 33-35' (Impossible but we can dream) they could become more happy with them. My friend flew their A380 last summer from SFO-CDG in Y and CDG-SFO in J and with the pictures he showed me…dang that plane looks OLD! He said that in Y (Being 6'3) is impossible to get comfortable and the entertainment is horrible as well. AF needs to refurbish the plane and change the strategy on them. Than they might want to buy more  

Like the 777 fleet, the A380s were getting new J cabins with lie flat seats 180 degrees. Did this get axed?
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:50 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 12):
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 8):How many AF777's can you see at CDG at the same time?
This is where all the 772 pax & F are right now, that is 27 aircraft.

Heading to:

F-GSPC LAX, F-GSPF KIX, F-GSPH PVG, F-GSPI JFK, F-GSPL WUH, F-GSPM PTY, F-GSPX GRU

At:

F-GSPA CAY, F-GSPB ATL, F-GSPD CDG, F-GSPE YYZ, F-GSPG JFK, F-GSPJ IAH, F-GSPK DLA, F-GSPN CDG, F-GSPR CDG, F-GSPS DXB, F-GSPT CDG, F-GSPU CDG, F-GSPY CDG, F-GSPZ CDG

Flying from:

F-GSPO SCL, F-GSPN CAN, F-GSPV EZE

F-GSPQ unknown

B77F: F-GUOB heading to LAD and C to NIM.

Wow, thank you, I hope that didn't cost you too much time.   

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 18):
True. They had a good fleet of 747's and now 777's. They've got the 787 on order (I believe, at least AFKL). They don't seem shy about ordering Boeing's when it makes sense to order Boeing's.

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Which is good. I am also very happy that LH has finally ordered some pax-777's.
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:28 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 12):
This is where all the 772 pax & F are right now, that is 27 aircraft.

Heading to:

F-GSPC LAX, F-GSPF KIX, F-GSPH PVG, F-GSPI JFK, F-GSPL WUH, F-GSPM PTY, F-GSPX GRU

At:

F-GSPA CAY, F-GSPB ATL, F-GSPD CDG, F-GSPE JFK, F-GSPJ IAH, F-GSPK DLA, F-GSPN CDG, F-GSPR CDG, F-GSPS DXB, F-GSPT CDG, F-GSPU CDG, F-GSPY CDG, F-GSPZ CDG

Flying from:

F-GSPO SCL, F-GSPN CAN, F-GSPV EZE

F-GSPQ unknown

B77F: F-GUOB heading to LAD and C to NIM.

Where´s F-GSPP?
That´s the first 777 I´ve ever flown on, JFK-CDG in 2001
Is it out of service?

Edit:
just checked on Flightradar, it should be in CDG, it got back from CAN early this morning .

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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:10 am

Quoting Iemand91 (Reply 5):
There was some speculation that all 787's would be placed at KLM and all A350's at AF (simpler fleets at both airlines) but now it looks like both airlines will get both airplanes.

KL getting the 787s and AF the A350s actually would make total sense IMO. KL has both 787-9 and 787-10 on order, not really sure why they would need A359s. For AF however, 28 A350s would be a perfect replacement for their 77E fleet.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
I thought I have read that AF have deferred and/or cancelled their 787s, with KLM doing the same with their A350s (so AF would be A350 and KL would be 787).

Well, after negotiations with the unions collapsed, AF decided to go 'Plan B' which meant withdrawal of the A340 fleet instead of replacing it with 787s. Of course, the unions were not happy about that at all, and now an alternative is on the table again. NYC787's table shows 2 AF 787s planned for delivery this year and 2017 (LN500 and LN543), so it looks like AF will have 787s in their fleet after all.

So I guess everything is possible still. The rumor about KL not getting A350s originated in a Dutch aviation forum. I must say, the plan was KL would get just 7 A350s, which IMO would be an oddball in the KL fleet. With KL converting 6 789s to 787-10s, and the new CEO Pieter Elbers rumored to be more Boeing rather than an Airbus man, it seemed a credible rumor.
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:21 am

Quoting hooverman (Reply 9):
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):
Didn't seem to stop them from getting A350s....

Yes that was surprising. AF and KLM are very loyal to GE.
There was however some discord about the engines though. RR gave AF-KLM a hard time getting maintenance rights.
The A350 must be very good...

On the one hand the A350 is very good yes...but the era of airlines religiously choosing engines from one certain manufacturer only is over. Today economics of acquisition, operation and maintenance is the name of the game...


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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:53 am

I doubt it'll be the last.

AF and the 777X is almost a given.
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:00 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 26):
AF and the 777X is almost a given.

Yapp, I guess it won't be easy for AF to negotiate a decent discount from Boeing.  
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:11 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 24):
and the new CEO Pieter Elbers rumored to be more Boeing rather than an Airbus man, it seemed a credible rumor
AF/KLM should just move all KLM 777's to AF and order a dozen or so 747-8 Combi planes for KLM to fill that void. 
Would love to see rows of KL 747-8's at AMS.

They should also paint a 747 in this livery which they introduced with the 747-200.


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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:08 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 22):
Wow, thank you, I hope that didn't cost you too much time.

No, but I couldn't do the 77W.

Quoting steman (Reply 23):
Where´s F-GSPP?

Sadly I skipped it when adding the data in my reply.
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:01 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 21):
Like the 777 fleet, the A380s were getting new J cabins with lie flat seats 180 degrees. Did this get axed?

They both could use a new Y as well...
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:34 pm

Quoting Iemand91 (Reply 28):
AF/KLM should just move all KLM 777's to AF and order a dozen or so 747-8 Combi planes for KLM to fill that void.
Would love to see rows of KL 747-8's at AMS.

I would love to see that too, but it's not going to happen. I read somewhere that KL tried to pressure Boeing to develop a 748 combi, but with the added weight and regulatory restrictions, it's not feasible.

KL needs their 777 fleet, especially with the 744s being slowly withdrawn from the fleet.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:57 pm

Quoting Iemand91 (Reply 28):
AF/KLM should just move all KLM 777's to AF and order a dozen or so 747-8 Combi planes for KLM to fill that void. 
Quoting krisyyz (Reply 31):
I would love to see that too, but it's not going to happen. I read somewhere that KL tried to pressure Boeing to develop a 748 combi, but with the added weight and regulatory restrictions, it's not feasible.

It's feasible from a regulatory and structural sense, however I would not be surprised if KLM is the only carrier interested in such a frame and I also would not be surprised if the number KLM want and the price they're willing to pay for them make the prospect financially not feasible for Boeing to pursue.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:15 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
We know they won't order any more A380s because they are not so happy with them, the A380 is not working well on a lot of long haul routes.

I thought this had to do with the A380 just being too big for their needs and not them being unhappy with the aircraft itself(?)


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Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:31 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
GE has French connections, so AF gets some tax benefits when they order GE engines. That said, Airbus is also French and if the A350's advantages outweighed the tax drawbacks of getting RR, then it makes sense to AF.

Parts of GE and CFM engines are French made, but I'm not sure what tax benefit a French customer would get. It seems to me it's more about AF having a long standing preference for GE engines (maybe started when the airline was 100% state owned and had to order them over their competition).
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:12 pm

Quoting krisyyz (Reply 31):
I would love to see that too, but it's not going to happen. I read somewhere that KL tried to pressure Boeing to develop a 748 combi, but with the added weight and regulatory restrictions, it's not feasible.

I wasn't serious, just daydreaming.  

I think if the're one carrier who could be able to operate 747-8i Combi planes, it's KLM.
Apart from 2 Asiana 747's and some random placed aircraft; they are the only airline that operates 747-combi's.
They transport about half of all horses that are transported by plane.
A reasonably sized aircraft (the 747-400M carries 268 pax) plus lots of cargo space does have it's use I think.

But unfortunately AF/KLM is basically abandoning the cargo market...

But does anyone have an idea if AF/KL wil order some more 77W's? KLM still has 3 to go.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:17 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):

I am curious as to what tax breaks a French company gets from buying from a French company. I've never heard this. Could you expand on that?
If anything, I could see a tax penalty as any French product/service sale/transaction to a French resident entity is subject to VAT which is high!
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:57 pm

FlySSC, could you tell us if this new nice bird is equipped with the new (BEST) J seat ?
I'm asking because, for a hardly understandable reason, all the other new B777 delivered to AF this year have been delivered with the BEST cabins in W and Y but not J     
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:42 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 37):
FlySSC, could you tell us if this new nice bird is equipped with the new (BEST) J seat ?
I'm asking because, for a hardly understandable reason, all the other new B777 delivered to AF this year have been delivered with the BEST cabins in W and Y but not J     

Same config for this A/C...
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:21 pm

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 36):
If anything, I could see a tax penalty as any French product/service sale/transaction to a French resident entity is subject to VAT which is high!

VAT is then recoverable

We get blasé about large orders, especially with the enormous number of planes operated by the ME3, but 70 777s, including 43 77Ws is still very impressive.

A shame they have the horrid 10Y seating though!
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:32 pm

Quoting Iemand91 (Reply 35):

AFKL has stated that only 5-10% of offered cargo is main deck only. Apparently the economics of abandoning this percentage and focusing on belly only will work for them. Just as it works for IAG and the legacy North American carriers.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:27 pm

Quoting zoulastar (Reply 38):
Same config for this A/C...

Just to make sure : what do you mean ? Old J ?
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:11 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 34):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
GE has French connections, so AF gets some tax benefits when they order GE engines. That said, Airbus is also French and if the A350's advantages outweighed the tax drawbacks of getting RR, then it makes sense to AF.

Parts of GE and CFM engines are French made, but I'm not sure what tax benefit a French customer would get. It seems to me it's more about AF having a long standing preference for GE engines (maybe started when the airline was 100% state owned and had to order them over their competition).

While Safran (nee Snecma) had a big chunk of the CF6 program (10-20%) and half of CFM, they have very little of GEnx, just 3 % through Techspace Aero unlike the 23% of the GE90 and 11% of the GE9X. So there's little to be gained for any French entity buying anything with a GEnx engine.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:57 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 42):
While Safran (nee Snecma) had a big chunk of the CF6 program (10-20%) and half of CFM, they have very little of GEnx, just 3 % through Techspace Aero unlike the 23% of the GE90 and 11% of the GE9X. So there's little to be gained for any French entity buying anything with a GEnx engine.

Seeing that virtually all of the AF and KLM fleet is GE/CFM/EA powered, it would be very surprising if they didn't choose the GEnx engine, even if the French share is small.

The Trent powered A350s will be one offs I guess, unless they buy the A330 neos as well.
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:43 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 18):
Quoting coolian2 (Reply 16):
70 777s and yet this forum without fail looks at them sideways any time they order an Airbus...

True. They had a good fleet of 747's and now 777's. They've got the 787 on order (I believe, at least AFKL). They don't seem shy about ordering Boeing's when it makes sense to order Boeing's.

Apart from the 777s, AF took factory-delivery of the following Boeing models over the years. Data from Boeing orders/deliveries so doesn't include any aircraft AF may have acqured used or from leasing companies, or inherited from mergers (e.g. UTA):

747 - 53 (16 -100, 23 -200, 7 -400, 5 -400M, 2 -400ERF)
767 - 3 (-300ER)
737 - 31 (17 -200, 14 -500)
727 - 29 (-200). AF the first non-US airline to order the 727-200.
707 - 38. AF the first non-US airline to order the 707.
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:23 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 37):
FlySSC, could you tell us if this new nice bird is equipped with the new (BEST) J seat ?
I'm asking because, for a hardly understandable reason, all the other new B777 delivered to AF this year have been delivered with the BEST cabins in W and Y but not J

This last B77W has a "42J" configuration, so it has the NEV4 seats in J.

Only the version with the 4P / 58J has the new "BEST" P & J Cabin.
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:49 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 44):
747 - 53 (16 -100, 23 -200, 7 -400, 5 -400M, 2 -400ERF)
767 - 3 (-300ER)
737 - 31 (17 -200, 14 -500)
727 - 29 (-200). AF the first non-US airline to order the 727-200.
707 - 38. AF the first non-US airline to order the 707.

The majority of those planes though were bought when there was no French/Airbus equivalent.
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:32 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 42):
So there's little to be gained for any French entity buying anything with a GEnx engine.

That is unless you're AF who just happen to have one of the largest GE MRO shops in the world.

AF handles about 60% of our GE90 work with the rest going to GE Wales.
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:45 pm

Never knew AF took so few 744s. Only 12 PAX and two F.
 
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RE: AF Gets Its 70th And Last B777

Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:49 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 48):

no, at one point, they owned at least 744s IIRC
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