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9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:15 pm

Just flew from Orlando to Miami on American. It was a 757. Completely full. And it seemed at least half the plane were South American tourists

I looked at the schedules. American is currently operating 9 flights on MIA-MCO:

767-300 2X
757. 2X
737-800. 4X
A319

Is American the biggest beneficiary of Disneyland's popularity?
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:21 pm

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Is American the biggest beneficiary of Disneyland's popularity?

Not at all. In terms of passengers carried, WN at MCO was nearly the size of AA/US in 2015.

https://orlandoairports.net/about-us/#traffic-statistics

Data beat anecdotal observations.
 
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:25 pm

Perhaps, since they have a pretty big hub right down the road from Orlando at MIA, they have decided that using an aircraft for a short MIA-MCO-MIA hop is better than it just sitting on the ground at MIA before other flights? Just an idea, as I know other airlines have done things like that in the past.

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Is American the biggest beneficiary of Disneyland's popularity?

If so, we would be talking about LAX or SNA
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:27 pm

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Disneyland's popularity

That would be Disney World for MCO  

But, yes its a big market for connecting flights from South America and the reason there is 9 flights, all mainline, even some wide body. I remember the A300-600 used to be on MIA-MCO a lot too.

Also, even though the majority of people drive, Miami-Orlando itself is a very large market, highly connected cities.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:28 pm

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Is American the biggest beneficiary of Disneyland's popularity?

Disneyland is in California.

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Completely full. And it seemed at least half the plane were South American tourists

Kind of answered your own question. I will assume most were Brazilian. I'd say that every airline milks the Disney cow. I'm very surprised that NK doesn't have a larger operation. But AA has the largest South American share.
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:31 pm

I think every airline milks the Disney traffic for all it's worth. AA operated 4 330s a day on PHL-MCO for the big winter travel months and VS for years has had quite a large presence.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:33 pm

Incidentally, there are 6 AA flights between TPA & MIA. Not too shabby either.
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:36 pm

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):

Is American the biggest beneficiary of Disneyland's popularity?

'Biggest' has implications that data doesn't bear out.

Compare to DL's flights to ATL. I'd bet the volume exceeds AA's to MIA.

AA has the advantage of the South American hub that I'm sure handles a good amount of European traffic to Disneyland.

But as MCO grows, more will be non-stop. B6 & NK with the NEO and WN with the MAX.

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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:42 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7):
Compare to DL's flights to ATL. I'd bet the volume exceeds AA's to MIA.

   DL today has 16 ATL-MCO flights. The smallest equipment used is the 737-900ER on 2 of the flights.

Of the US3 DL, with its huge ATL hub well positioned to funnel traffic from the rest of the US to MCO, is the one that is milking Disney the most.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:43 pm

DL flies 13 flights a day just from ATL using mostly 752s. Virtually on the hour from 0700-1800.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:48 pm

American is the beneficiary of Disney, but more so of South Americans who have second homes/condo in Orlando. The South American fascination with Orlando has been going on for over a decade.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:50 pm

It's also not just Disney anymore, Universal has a large presence and expanding along with SeaWorld . And to a lesser extent, you now have Legoland down the road. As these theme parks continue to grow, MCO will only get busier.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:56 pm

MCO / Orlando is far, far, far more than just Disney traffic. Its a huge market for tourism, business conventions, and VFR / visiting friends and relatives, plus serving the large general population of Orlando and central Florida.

MCO has a huge catchment area - extending over and overlapping with TPA, going up to include places like Gainesville and then over and down along the eastern coast including Daytona Beach, and Melborne. Yes there are other, much smaller airports in there that leak a lot of traffic to MCO.

MCO and central Florida includes a large number of population including those who work in the region, plus an influx of retirees that have moved from northern locales, and seasonal snowbird residents that are part-time or with second homes.
In addition, MCO is a rather transient population so you tend to get a lot of people flying in or out to visit friends and families in other parents of the country or world.

The greater Orlando area is one of the largest convention destination in the country, so by nature with the large convention-style hotels and resorts attracts a lot of business travel from around the country and around the world.

Besides just Disney there are other theme parks, and sun/beach resorts in the region that attract visitors alike.

Its another A.Net myth that everyone is just families flying to MCO is going to Disney.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:02 pm

Eastern was the first OFFICIAL AIRLINE OF DISNEY WORLD. Then it became Delta. Delta then gave it up....why?

I think USAir was the OFFICIAL AIRLINE OF UNIVERSAL STUDIOS in both Florida & California. I don't believe that was kept for long.
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:12 pm

Historically, out of the majors, DL has been the biggest beneficiary of Disney/Orlando bound vacation traffic.

They had a brief hub. But beyond that (and lasting much longer) was a non hub "focus city" of sorts that had hourly flights to ATL and frequent O and D service across the country.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:17 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 13):
Eastern was the first OFFICIAL AIRLINE OF DISNEY WORLD. Then it became Delta. Delta then gave it up....why?

I think USAir was the OFFICIAL AIRLINE OF UNIVERSAL STUDIOS in both Florida & California. I don't believe that was kept for long.

Probably because (they or any airline) for that matter didn't want to pay the tens of millions of dollars in annual marketing/sponsorship to be able to tout around and broadcast that title.
 
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:24 pm

Didn't Delta fly MD11s and L1011s from ATL at one point?
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:28 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 16):
Didn't Delta fly MD11s and L1011s from ATL at one point?

Most likely true, but that's also from an era before the huge WN and B6 operations at MCO.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:40 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 16):
Didn't Delta fly MD11s and L1011s from ATL at one point?

Not just that, but also 767s and 777s. The short round-trip hop on the 777 was good for utilization as well as keeping pilots current on take-offs and landings.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:42 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 18):

Not just that, but also 767s and 777s. The short round-trip hop on the 777 was good for utilization as well as keeping pilots current on take-offs and landings.

which also adds a LOT of cycles onto a plane that isn't exactly optimized for this type of mission.
 
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:57 pm

Interestingly enough, EK's MCO flight has over 50% outbound traffic from MCO, so MCO does not exist exclusively for Disney tourism.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:58 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 20):
Interestingly enough, EK's MCO flight has over 50% outbound traffic from MCO, so MCO does not exist exclusively for Disney tourism.

I'm guessing this also factors in all the upstream feed from B6 ?
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:07 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 21):
Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 20):
Interestingly enough, EK's MCO flight has over 50% outbound traffic from MCO, so MCO does not exist exclusively for Disney tourism.

I'm guessing this also factors in all the upstream feed from B6 ?

I don't know, but I can't imagine the outbound markets from places like NAS or BQN to DXB are very large.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:15 pm

AA is not that large in MCO, delta runs way more seats to ATL
AA barely serves MCO compared to Southwest
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:18 pm

considering that the Central Florida market has some of the more affordable housing in the populated southeast, it does not surprise me. I fly on the Miami / Tampa shuttles frequently and these planes are packed full, as are Southwest and Spirit to Ft Lauderdale.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:22 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
They had a brief hub. But beyond that (and lasting much longer) was a non hub "focus city" of sorts that had hourly flights to ATL and frequent O and D service across the country.

They certainly did. Here is a snapchat of Delta's MCO focus city circa February 1985:

DELTA AIR LINES MCO OPERATIONS (FEB. 1985):

Aircraft Operated:

Boeing 727-200, Boeing 737-200, Boeing 757-200, Boeing 767-200, Lockheed L-1011 TriStar,
McDonnell Douglas DC-8-60/70, McDonnell Douglas DC-9-30

Destinations Served:

Atlanta (GA), Boston (MA), Chicago O'Hare (IL), Cincinnati (OH), Dallas/Fort Worth (TX),
Detroit Metro (MI), Fort Myers (FL), Hartford/Springfield (CT/MA), New Orleans (LA),
New York Kennedy (NY), Newark (NJ), Sarasota/Bradenton (FL), Tampa (FL)
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:28 pm

DL still has sorta-kinda focus city at MCO - they have seasonal bespoke services to places like GRR or BDL, so of course long-haul service down to GRU (jury is still out on this one, but I recall MCO-BSB wasn't too hot)
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:37 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
They had a brief hub. But beyond that (and lasting much longer) was a non hub "focus city" of sorts that had hourly flights to ATL and frequent O and D service across the country.
Quoting tWA1985 (Reply 25):
They certainly did. Here is a snapchat of Delta's MCO focus city circa February 1985:

DL still has a pretty substantial operation at MCO. Along with the aforementioned significant service to ATL, DL has strong service to all of its hubs, plus a daily flight to GRU and some remnants of their P2P network (BOS, RDU, IND, Saturday service to several networks). There's also the daily mainline flight to MIA to feed the GRU flight.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:20 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 11):
It's also not just Disney anymore, Universal has a large presence and expanding along with SeaWorld

I notice that Wet & Wild, own by Universal, is closing this year.
What have Universal got planned for that big site?
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:42 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 23):
AA is not that large in MCO, delta runs way more seats to ATL

A few months ago, there was a thread that stated that AA was #2 @ MCO behind WN

Quoting tWA1985 (Reply 25):
They certainly did. Here is a snapchat of Delta's MCO focus city circa February 1985:

DELTA AIR LINES MCO OPERATIONS (FEB. 1985):

Aircraft Operated:

Boeing 727-200, Boeing 737-200, Boeing 757-200, Boeing 767-200, Lockheed L-1011 TriStar,
McDonnell Douglas DC-8-60/70, McDonnell Douglas DC-9-30

Destinations Served:

Atlanta (GA), Boston (MA), Chicago O'Hare (IL), Cincinnati (OH), Dallas/Fort Worth (TX),
Detroit Metro (MI), Fort Myers (FL), Hartford/Springfield (CT/MA), New Orleans (LA),
New York Kennedy (NY), Newark (NJ), Sarasota/Bradenton (FL), Tampa (FL)

While I do believe the destinations, I don't believe the hub was in full effect at that point I though they didn't start it until 1986/1987 AFTER they became the Disney airline. Where did you get that from?

By the way, Eastern served just about all of that too
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:43 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 28):
What have Universal got planned for that big site?

It wouldn't surprise me if they sold off that land to developers. It is isn't attached to any of their other resorts (like the replacement Volcano Bay is) or parks, and is on the opposite side of I4 as the rest of the properties.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:15 pm

I'm uncertain as to where all the surprise and amazement is; Orlando has reigned as the largest destination for domestic tourism for quite awhile. It is one of the few markets to see regular domestic widebody service as well as one of the few non-hub markets to see regular service to many many small markets throughout the country. The only change is that in recent years, point-to-point service has slightly shrunk and been replaced with additional (often on widebodies) service to major hub markets.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:53 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 23):
AA is not that large in MCO, delta runs way more seats to ATL

AA is definitely large in MCO. Based on the summer schedule, there are flights to LAX (3), PHX (3), DFW (10), ORD (5), MIA (9), CLT (9), DCA (5), PHL (8), and JFK (2), on a mix of M80s, 319s, 321s, 738s, 752s, and 763s. Delta also has over 50 flights, but if they are bigger than AA, they aren't that much bigger.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:59 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 28):
While I do believe the destinations, I don't believe the hub was in full effect at that point I though they didn't start it until 1986/1987 AFTER they became the Disney airline. Where did you get that from?

By the way, Eastern served just about all of that too

From one of my OAG's. Delta operated several focus cities in 1985, including:

BOS:

Aircraft Operated:

Boeing 727-200, Boeing 757-200, Boeing 767-200, Lockheed L-1011 TriStar,
McDonnell Douglas DC-8-60/70

Destinations Served:

Atlanta (GA), Bangor (ME), Bermuda (Atlantic Ocean), Cincinnati (OH), Dallas/Fort Worth (TX),
Fort Lauderdale (FL), Hartford/Springfield (CT/MA), Miami (FL), Montreal Dorval (QC),
New York Kennedy (NY), New York LaGuardia (NY), Newark (NJ), Orlando (FL), Philadelphia (PA),
Portland (ME), Tampa (FL), Washington National (DC), West Palm Beach (FL)

ORD:

Aircraft Operated:

Boeing 727-200, Boeing 737-200, Lockheed L-1011 TriStar, McDonnell Douglas DC-8-60/70,
McDonnell Douglas DC-9-30

Destinations Served:

Atlanta (GA), Cincinnati (OH), Dallas/Fort Worth (TX), Fort Lauderdale (FL), Louisville (KY),
Memphis (TN), Miami (FL), Minneapolis/Saint Paul (MN), New Orleans (LA), Orlando (FL),
Saint Louis (MO), Tampa (FL), West Palm Beach (FL)
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:03 pm

The proof is in the data:
https://orlandoairports.net/site/uploads/2015/09/paxs201603.pdf
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:04 pm

A quick search for summer friday for UA shows this to MCO :

8x EWR 7x IAH 6x ORD 4x IAD 3x DEN 3x SFO 1x LAX 1x CLE

Much smaller at just 33 flights.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:39 pm

I don't understand how AA would be "Milking" anything. The term infers AA is exploiting the fact that a lot of people want to fly into the Orlando area. I seem to remember reading somewhere that, that is what airlines do. They fly people where they want to go.

Please explain how that can be considered "MILKING"
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:47 pm

Quoting racercoup (Reply 36):
Please explain how that can be considered "MILKING"

Beats me, though the majority of the passengers are connecting. The first time I took this flight I was surrounded by Brazilians and Argentinians connecting from EZE, GRU etc. I had a nice chat with an argentine judge and her daughter, making their way up to Disney of course. I've taken the flight a couple of times since then and I still haven't met any passengers that were not connecting, many had a good chuckle when I told them I was from Miami and my final destination was MCO, the reaction was always "Why didn't you just drive?!"
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:40 pm

Pan Am used to have hourly flights MIA-MCO:

http://www.departedflights.com/MIAp4.html
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:00 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 32):

AA runs more flights between MCO and DFW then it does MIA.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:01 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
MCO / Orlando is far, far, far more than just Disney traffic. Its a huge market for tourism, business conventions, and VFR / visiting friends and relatives, plus serving the large general population of Orlando and central Florida.

MCO has a huge catchment area - extending over and overlapping with TPA, going up to include places like Gainesville and then over and down along the eastern coast including Daytona Beach, and Melborne. Yes there are other, much smaller airports in there that leak a lot of traffic to MCO.

MCO and central Florida includes a large number of population including those who work in the region, plus an influx of retirees that have moved from northern locales, and seasonal snowbird residents that are part-time or with second homes.
In addition, MCO is a rather transient population so you tend to get a lot of people flying in or out to visit friends and families in other parents of the country or world.

The greater Orlando area is one of the largest convention destination in the country, so by nature with the large convention-style hotels and resorts attracts a lot of business travel from around the country and around the world.

Besides just Disney there are other theme parks, and sun/beach resorts in the region that attract visitors alike.

Its another A.Net myth that everyone is just families flying to MCO is going to Disney.

Thank you, Thank you. I'm glad someone else realizes this. The population growth in the Orlando area is exploding and is currently home to 2.1 million people. Those people are going to contribute to the need for capacity at MCO. Why do you think MCO is building a brand new terminal?
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:04 pm

I am not surprised. After needing to get from Orlando to Miami last year,the plane was most convenient. The train was over 5 hours and depending on the route, quickest bus was close to 5 hours despite the short distance. Now if there would be a high speed train, i think flights between MCO and MIA would not be as frequent.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:21 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 1):
Not at all. In terms of passengers carried, WN at MCO was nearly the size of AA/US in 2015.

Miami has always had many flights to MCO. SW does not fly to Miami. MIA to MCO has always been huge for all the Latins going to Walt Disney World & Universal. Many also combine a trip to Orlando with Miami. MCO is probably the largest connecting point through Miami. AA and before PA and EA always flew large schedules to MCO.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:27 pm

If anyone is "milking the Disney cow" it's WN. They started service to SNA in May 1994 and MCO in April 1996. Thereafter WN rapidly grew in both markets - within 20 years they were by far the largest carrier at both airports, which now function as international gateways for the airline. Additionally, WN maintains an equally dominant presence at other airports that may be used to visit the Disney parks (i.e. ONT, SAN, TPA) as well as a very respectable presence at the likes of FLL and LAX. AA certainly has found quite a niche bringing South Americans to Orlando via MIA, but in the grand scheme of things, more tourists arrive at MCO on WN than any other airline.
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Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:00 am

You hit the nail on the head. The high frequencies from PHL,DFW and MIA, are to facilitate traffic from abroad. Of course many from the DFW and PHL metro area want to visit Orlando, but DisneyWorld is very popular among internationals and there is money to be made. If the Asian market continues to grow as it has, wouldn't be surprised to see additional frequencies from ORD and the start of LAX
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:18 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):

Historically, out of the majors, DL has been the biggest beneficiary of Disney/Orlando bound vacation traffic.

They had a brief hub. But beyond that (and lasting much longer) was a non hub "focus city" of sorts that had hourly flights to ATL and frequent O and D service across the country.
Quoting tWA1985 (Reply 25):
They certainly did. Here is a snapchat of Delta's MCO focus city circa February 1985:
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 29):
While I do believe the destinations, I don't believe the hub was in full effect at that point I though they didn't start it until 1986/1987 AFTER they became the Disney airline.

Here is a pretty detailed breakdown of Delta's Orlando operations from 1977 through 2004:

http://www.departedflights.com/DLMCOhub.html
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:12 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 18):
Quoting g500 (Reply 16):
Didn't Delta fly MD11s and L1011s from ATL at one point?

Not just that, but also 767s and 777s. The short round-trip hop on the 777 was good for utilization as well as keeping pilots current on take-offs and landings.

During the late 90s early 2000s I flew on almost every aircraft type between MCO-ATL that included 727s, 738s, 757s, 753s, 762s, 763s - both domestic and intl, 777s, L1011s, MD11s, MD80s/90s - I think the only type I didn't fly on that route was/were the 732s (operating Delta "Express" prior to Song) and 733s that I believe were inherited from Western and were a bit of a rare visitor to MCO - at least from what I remember.

I can vividly remember at one point seeing almost every different type of widebody in MCO lined up around the 80s and 70s gates, due to ground stops and storms in the area. Quite a site back in those days when Delta handled tons of other international airlines there, and Comair had a busy little Florida hub. Sadly, I highly doubt we'll ever see variety in shapes and sizes of aircraft like that there for a long time.
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:01 am

I don't think AA is necessarily milking disney traffic. MCO is a huge destination market, and MIA is a large hub for AA to funnel passengers to MCO. While DL may have the most number of flights via ATL since its DL's closest hub to MCO, AA is well positioned to flow traffic via South America at MIA, and from the Northeast/Southeast/Mid Atlantic via CLT. So essentially the combined number of flights via CLT & MIA with AA probably are about the same or even exceed DL at ATL.
 
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:02 am

Orlando is a cash cow for ANY airline. SFB has also tons of flights targeting the Disney traffic, especially during spring breaks and summer.

It was one of the reasons I think PeopleXpress 2.0 failed. If the tried filling some seats down to their they might have succeeded. Its the reason most starts up work the Northeast or Midwest to Orlando market, its an almost endless supply of seats.
 
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RE: 9 Flts On MIA-MCO. Is AA Milking The Disney Cow?

Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:58 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
MCO has a huge catchment area - extending over and overlapping with TPA, going up to include places like Gainesville and then over and down along the eastern coast including Daytona Beach, and Melborne. Yes there are other, much smaller airports in there that leak a lot of traffic to MCO.

Yup, growing up in Gainesville, I would say our flights were mostly 3:2:1, MCO:GNV:JAX.

And fares are sometimes significantly cheaper than TPA. I recently moved to the Bay area, and my direct flight from MCO-MEX was 50% cheaper on a direct flight verses a 1 stop from TPA. The same can be said for LAX. Much cheaper from MCO. I'm sure there are plenty of families from the Bay area that realize a $200/person savings for a family of four is worth the 1-1.5 hour drive.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
The greater Orlando area is one of the largest convention destination in the country, so by nature with the large convention-style hotels and resorts attracts a lot of business travel from around the country and around the world.

2nd largest behind Vegas

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
Besides just Disney there are other theme parks, and sun/beach resorts in the region that attract visitors alike.

Don't forget cruises. Port Canaveral is the world’s 3rd busiest cruise port in multi-day embarkations.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 23):

AA is not that large in MCO, delta runs way more seats to ATL

I'm fairly certain I saw somewhere that MCO is DL's largest domestic market in seats per flight, by far.

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 44):
If the Asian market continues to grow as it has, wouldn't be surprised to see additional frequencies from ORD

The Asian market in Orlando is exploding...based on anecdotal evidence compiled by my eyes. Lots of mainland Chinese visitors.

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 44):
and the start of LAX

Not sure about that. There are currently on average 8 flights a day on MCO-LAX with the introduction of the F9 flight last year. I've seen fares as low as $99/rt all in.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7):
Compare to DL's flights to ATL. I'd bet the volume exceeds AA's to MIA.

ATL is the #1 market from MCO in non-stop daily seats offered, almost 3x as big as MCO-MIA.

1. ATL- 4237
2. JFK- 2377
3. PHL- 2349
4. EWR- 2218
5. ORD- 2005
6. DFW- 1863
7. LGA- 1680
8. CLT- 1662
9. MIA- 1617
10. DTW- 1495
11. SJU- 1459
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