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Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:06 pm

Good Morning to everyone,

I woke up to the news this morning that the captain of AA 900 EZE-MIA had to threaten passengers that he was considering suspending the flight due to their protests. An understandable precaution given the situation on board while still parked at the gate. The passengers were protesting the presence of the ex-vice-presidential candidate of Argentina Carlos Zannini, who was also the Legal and Technical secretary of Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
Many passengers chanted "Thief, you stole everything, along with insults and foul language. Many of them also shouted versions of the statement "Hypocrite! You bash the United States and now you're on a plane to Miami!"

Some of the passengers were chanting that they wanted him removed from the aircraft, and one man is heard screaming "we won't sit down until he is kicked off!"

It is unclear just how close the flight came to being suspended, however the crew announced that if any disruption occurred in-flight they would divert the aircraft. Upon Arrival here at MIA, Zannini was met by Immigration and Customs officers who accompanied him through the immigration and customs process to prevent any further incident before his connecting flight to DCA.

Unfortunately the link is only in Spanish however there are several short clips in which you can see passengers protesting and yelling at him in the Y cabin.
http://www.infobae.com/2016/04/25/18...vez-fue-un-avion-american-airlines

I'm curious to get your take on this, should the protesting pax have been removed at EZE? What are your thoughts? Are there other incidents like this that you know of due to unfavorable pax onboard?
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:52 pm

Wow. I wonder how many times this has happened before in other countries/situations.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:15 pm

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Thread starter):
I'm curious to get your take on this, should the protesting pax have been removed at EZE? What are your thoughts? Are there other incidents like this that you know of due to unfavorable pax onboard?

If the flight made it to MIA without incident, I think they made the right decision to calm passengers down (with threat on cancelation) and proceed.
If the passengers did not respond to threat, I think cancellation would have been a bit drastic. Just remove disruptive passenger(s) and proceed. In this situation, it would have been easiest to remove Mr. Zannini (assuming they weren't under any contractual obligation to transport him). I realize he might not have created the disturbance, but he was the cause of it and it easier to remove and re-accommodate one passenger versus several.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:22 pm

here is the full video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20lV8DNZ5PY

This has happened before in countries like India or Pakistan : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epm_Vi3s1eA
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:29 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 2):
In this situation, it would have been easiest to remove Mr. Zannini (assuming they weren't under any contractual obligation to transport him).

As the full video shows he was sitting there quietly and did not react to the passengers, if he had, then things may have been different. I'm glad that things settled down, otherwise this would have been a bigger embarrassment.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 3):
here is the full video

You beat me too it, found a good quality version of the full video on FB as well. I feel as though if the same thing had happened here in the states (ie: On Zanninis way back to EZE) perhaps more drastic measures may have been taken.

https://www.facebook.com/maria.s.rojas.98/videos/10209219091778170/
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:34 pm

That's why Brazil's PT leader Lula never walks into a commercial aircraft. Even though he claims to fight the country's elite, he borrows their private jets to fly around the country and give populist speeches.

There has been several examples of corrupt politicians in Brazil that were accosted by other people at airports and have had a hard time making their way through. The lesson is don't steal a little bit - if you are going to steal, make sure it is enough to have your own aircraft.  
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:44 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 5):

That's why Brazil's PT leader Lula never walks into a commercial aircraft. Even though he claims to fight the country's elite, he borrows their private jets to fly around the country and give populist speeches.

There has been several examples of corrupt politicians in Brazil that were accosted by other people at airports and have had a hard time making their way through. The lesson is don't steal a little bit - if you are going to steal, make sure it is enough to have your own aircraft.  

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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:55 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 5):
There has been several examples of corrupt politicians in Brazil that were accosted by other people at airports and have had a hard time making their way through. The lesson is don't steal a little bit - if you are going to steal, make sure it is enough to have your own aircraft.

Good point.

Well the article mentions that after arriving in MIA, he left escorted and no one said anything... of course the Argentinian passengers wouldn't feel so eager to yell when in the United States of America.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:01 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 2):
In this situation, it would have been easiest to remove Mr. Zannini (assuming they weren't under any contractual obligation to transport him). I realize he might not have created the disturbance, but he was the cause of it and it easier to remove and re-accommodate one passenger versus several.

It doesn't matter if it was because of him they were protesting. This is politics. If you don't like it, behave civilized and deal with it another way then disrupting an entire flight. You're using the same logic as those students who scream "I don't like his views, I'm offended! Please remove this person" from campuses around the USA.

[Edited 2016-04-26 13:02:11]
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:20 pm

Can this title be changed to more accurately reflect what really happened? The passengers weren't protesting the flight, they were protesting a passenger on the flight.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:51 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 8):
It doesn't matter if it was because of him they were protesting. This is politics. If you don't like it, behave civilized and deal with it another way then disrupting an entire flight.

The impulse to protest appears throughout humankind in every culture. Most societies accommodate for protest in one form or another. Those people and societies who argue for order above all things are called authoritarian.

This was a messy situation and it had to end one way or another. That being said, "...behave in a civilized way...?" Really was it that bad that Argentinian passengers expressed their outrage? I mean, "...disrupting an entire flight." Perish the thought!
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:04 pm

The best part of the clip is when folks shout at Mr Zannini "Viaja en Aerolineas, caradura" - roughly translated as "Cheeky! Travel by Aerolineas".        

The rest of the name calling is not suitable for this site.
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:55 pm

Good for them !. The "scrache" is a form of protest that is well used in Argentina. First time I heard of it was when the military animals that ruled Argentina during the dictatorship, after 1983, were seen eating in public places, going to the movies etc and were ran out by these type of protest. Pretty soon, the worst of the lot were in an un-official imprisonment regime as they could not leave their house.

Ever since then, public officials in office as well as those that no longer have their job have faced this "escrache" when deserving.

Zannini is a specially nefarious ex-CFK´s government goon that is among the most corrupt of the lot and did much of Cristina´s dirty work. What happened in the AA plane was the second such instance he faced in 24 hrs. In my opinion, AA and other airlines should read the papers and learn which ex-government officials are in hot water (deservedly) and either not sell them tickets or be aware of the disturbance that may be generated on board. Publicity would not be good if AA had deplaned the passengers protesting and left Zannini on board. Oh, and imagine the mess if someone like Máximo gets on board one day.

These passengers showed balls and I am sure that if in Latin America more people behaved like these citizens, government officials would start thinking twice about being the normally corrupt employees they are.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 7):
of course the Argentinian passengers wouldn't feel so eager to yell when in the United States of America.

Of course not. They are educated and well behaved when entering another country and respecting their laws. While the plane is still in the ground in their own country, rules are different.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:26 pm

What class was he flying ? AA might suggest former Government officials fly AR.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:06 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 9):
Can this title be changed to more accurately reflect what really happened? The passengers weren't protesting the flight, they were protesting a passenger on the flight.

You are absolutely right, but on A.Net it makes for a lot more hits when AA is bashed as opposed to someone in 21A.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:15 am

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 14):
Can this title be changed to more accurately reflect what really happened? The passengers weren't protesting the flight, they were protesting a passenger on the flight.

Absolutely; when I read it first, I was wondering if it was something to do with the catering issues they had at EZE a few days ago.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:42 am

Awwn! Too bad he wasn't flying WN. Otherwise a "reasonable concern" from a nice white lady and off he goes! 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:27 am

Quoting Noise (Reply 1):

Has happened in Pakistan...only difference is that passengers were successful in kicking the politician off the plane.
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:22 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):

Surprisingly it looks like he was in MCE.



Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):

Protesting is fine. Protesting on an airplane full of passengers is not OK.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:57 am

Well, this guy is tough!

I'm impressed he didn't leave the plane in EZE. It's an 8-hour flight following that amazing round of insults. He must have a strong liver!

In Venezuela, if any government official boards a plane, there's risk of a riot. People here can't even come close to any of those animals. They all fly private for a reason. I completely back up the protesters and I would have been one of them screaming to his face all the bad things in my repertoire.

Filth shouldn't fly. They belong elsewhere.

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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:40 am

I think that violence shouldn't be used, but these people all have a natural right to tell Zannini what they think about his -- and his abetting of the Kircnhers' -- looting of their Country. If he (or Lula or Dilma) can't take it, then they should stay home. Their ability to travel commercially does not trump citizens' rights to free expression in protest against the high crimes which they perpetrated whilst in office. I have no sympathy for any of them, but lots of sympathy for the people which they hobbled and impoverished. Such politicians have no shame, and it is the people's job to instill it within them.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:34 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 5):
The lesson is don't steal a little bit - if you are going to steal, make sure it is enough to have your own aircraft.  

  

This is why those with the funds fly private. It has markedly reduced premium revenue for the airlines.

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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:56 pm

There is video going around of Congressman Iris Varela getting screamed at by passengers in SVMD I think.
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:53 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
These passengers showed balls and I am sure that if in Latin America more people behaved like these citizens, government officials would start thinking twice about being the normally corrupt employees they are.

What they did was inappropriate. Whether you like it or not, he is an innocent man travelling the same way they are.- Violence is not the way.-

Also, one of the man that was shouting was identified as a manager of an offshore company... So who is more "caradura"?
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:34 pm

Quoting joacocifuentes (Reply 23):
What they did was inappropriate. Whether you like it or not, he is an innocent man travelling the same way they are.- Violence is not the way.-Also, one of the man that was shouting was identified as a manager of an offshore company... So who is more "caradura"?


The right to protest is enshrined in Argentina´s Constitution, isn´t it? Second, you must have been living under a rock for the past 12 years if you can seriously call this man "innocent". Now, please show a link where violence was involved.

Sure, and as far as the operation this manager is involved in, it does not involve ripping off the population using a civil service post.
 
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RE: Pax Protest AA900 EZE-MIA, Flight Nearly Suspended

Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:20 am

Quoting joacocifuentes (Reply 23):
Also, one of the man that was shouting was identified as a manager of an offshore company...

And? So I guess in your book I must be some sort of criminal too as I work for an offshore company?

The main difference is that Zannini was paid by the people of Argentina and should have worked for the people who signed his check, not engineering the legal (?) framework that made possible the biggest looting of the state that Argentina has ever witnessed.

Quoting joacocifuentes (Reply 23):
he is an innocent man travelling

For the time being, just a matter of time. He was the Kirchners' Rasputin and is a creepy character.
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