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​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:29 pm
by BlueShamu330s
Quoting FlightGlobal:
IAG is examining the feasibility of allocating a small fleet of Airbus A380s to its Spanish division Iberia and possibly an aircraft with its recently acquired Irish arm Aer Lingus.

Walsh remains bullish on the A380 within IAG, including the possibility of a presence in both Iberia and Aer Lingus.

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As well as possibly growing BA's London Heathrow based fleet, "where it can work for us, because of the group structure we have, we could see a case for a couple of A380s in Iberia", says Walsh. "You might even make a case for an A380 in Aer Lingus."

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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...beria-and-aer-lingus-w-424428/

Rgds

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:34 pm
by SpaceshipDC10
How many for each EI & IB? And what routes? DUB-JFK? MAD-South America?

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:38 pm
by MrHMSH
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):
How many for each EI & IB?

Walsh seems to imply 2 for IB and 1 for EI.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):
DUB-JFK?

The only one that looks to make sense to me, although I'm not sure whether BA would value frequency on flights to JFK more than EI, because 1 A380 would basically have to replace 2 A330s. Maybe a cheeky trip to LHR every now and then? That would be nice. Unlikely, but nice.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):
MAD-South America?

This makes the most sense. I remember when IB were rumoured to be looking at the A380 it was for MAD-EZE.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:42 pm
by A60Stock
I've heard rumours of two for IB and one for EI, with both airlines getting the same interior to make sure each is quite interchangeable to meet each airline's changes in demand. For EI, I dare say that SFO is also a fair bet for a weekly frequency or two on the A380 due to the amount of freight an A380 could carry and also the view that passenger loads seem to be strong on that route throughout the year.

[Edited 2016-04-27 14:43:25]

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:47 pm
by YXXMIKE
Would an EI A380 officially make DUB the ultimate relief hub!? I can't see it happening but I guess stranger things have happened...who would have guessed DUB getting a second runway before LHR or LGW 10 years ago?

Also, doesn't just having 1 frame really make things awkward when the bird inevitably goes mechanical?

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:53 pm
by SpaceshipDC10
Quoting A60Stock (Reply 3):
I've heard rumours of two for IB and one for EI, both with the same interior to make sure each is quite interchangeable to meet each airline's demand

With a generic brand or BA's?

Quoting A60Stock (Reply 3):
For EI, I dare say that SFO is also a fair bet for a weekly frequency or two on the A380 due to the amount of freight an A380 could carry and also the view that passenger loads seem to be strong on that route throughout the year.

Jumping from the current A332s to an A380 is quite a leap of faith I dare say, unless they reduce frequencies. But then, would it still be as attractive?

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:03 pm
by GARUDAROD
Quoting A60Stock (Reply 3):
Quoting A60Stock (Reply 3):
or EI, I dare say that SFO is also a fair bet for a weekly frequency or two on the A380 due to the amount of freight an A380 could carry and also the view that passenger loads seem to be strong on that route throughout the year.

Amount of freight???? Every Cargo Manager I know despises the Whale because
it can't carry much freight at all. Qantas people have told me they used to carry more cargo
on the B747SP than they can get on the A380. A380= great for pax, lousy for cargo, unless
the plane is empty, which makes a different case for the dynamics then.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:17 pm
by tortugamon
Sweet, I like this idea. Hope they go for it. I suspect this is in-line with WW's comment about his possible interest in used A380s. Could this be home for 3 of the 5 A380s that SIA is ditching? I would think IAG would want new examples but he'd have to wait a few more years to get EK's. Maybe MH's are still in play?

tortugamon

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:23 pm
by mwhcvt
This is something I suggested as possible months ago in the thread, the nature of the group makes it possible, ultimately depending on how they do it will be the model of flexibility, if they fit the same interior as in the BA fleet, maybe in different configuration it would make it less painless to switch group operator if needed, training can be done centrally as let's face it it's only a 1-2 flight into LHR for training on BA sims and it's not like the respective airlines would need a huge pilot pool...additionally eventually IAG well also do its own heavy maintenance on the A380 fleets when capacity is avalible

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:32 pm
by atcsundevil
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 7):
Maybe MH's are still in play?

I'm not sure that's the case anymore. They don't currently have slack in their fleet to continue profitable long haul routes served by the A380, and they're undergoing heavy maintenance now -- I would doubt that MH would go through the time and expense of giving them heavy checks if they were going to turn around and dump them.

Personally I think that they didn't see enough interest generated from the secondhand market and/or were unable to cover their costs by selling them, and it's worked out to be more economical for them to continue to operate them. We'll likely have to wait until SQ and EK birds begin hitting the secondhand market to see how the market shakes out. There are a heck of a lot of unknowns at this point.

If it's true that A380s will go to IB and/or EI, it'll probably have to be via transfer from BA or by taking aircraft from Airbus. They would have been well served to pursue the ex-Skymark NTUs, and who knows, maybe they did, but obviously that ship has sailed. The only short to medium term option appears to be a transfer from BA.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:58 pm
by tortugamon
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 9):
The only short to medium term option appears to be a transfer from BA.

But BA doesn't exactly have a ton of aircraft to spare and they are pretty noticeably BA aircraft and I am not sure that configuration works at IB and AerLingus which tend to be less premium heavy and I don't see BA wanting to pay for an interior re-do. Just too many things stacked against the thought that these aircraft will come from BA.

It is hard for me to see any new non-EK orders for the A380 entirely.

tortugamon

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:31 pm
by Braybuddy
Can't see this happening at all, the A380 is too big to be practicable for EI.

Quoting A60Stock (Reply 3):
I've heard rumours of two for IB and one for EI, with both airlines getting the same interior to make sure each is quite interchangeable to meet each airline's changes in demand
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 9):
If it's true that A380s will go to IB and/or EI, it'll probably have to be via transfer from BA


The start of a slippery slope . . .

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:39 am
by VS4ever
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):
DUB-JFK?

That would be the leading choice , I would also throw DUB-BOS into the mix, the new 380 equipped gates for 2017 need to be used and at least on a seasonal basis would be great for extra lift during the summer season. Last year EI was tapped out pretty much, so this would provide extra without additional frequency being needed.

Something to ponder. Like many I still think this is unlikely, but I can see an option there. Where's the mock up of the 380 in EI colors. 12 posts and nobody has brought it up yet.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:43 am
by A60Stock
To tell you the truth guys, I'm more or less re-hashing various things I've seen on the Irish threads, with people saying it'll be JFK or SFO. I don't necessarily believe it will happen, I mean one A380?! There are very few airlines (if any) that have made any long-term success in operating one example of an aircraft type (regardless of groupings), not least of which jumbos.

I admit that it is time to get real, what we are most likely to see (without wishing to set anyone off on the A359 thread) on EI is a fleet of A333/339s, but a lot more of them in order to provide frequency. Apart from very seasonal dynamics, there's another thing that makes the A388 unnecessary, there's a remedy to any future lack of capacity at Dublin in the second runway. Tell me guys, is there an such a shortage of slots at; JFK, BOS, ORD to make the A380 a better option than an additional frequency?

The speculation is that Willie is just using this statement to get some press attention, and the Irish press has been remarkably quiet over this... Although I can't speak for the Spanish press.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:55 am
by LAX772LR
Anyone got a working link?

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:49 am
by sparky35805
A one aircraft fleet can work.Braniff operated a single 747 DFW-HNL-DFW for about five years .

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:52 am
by N14AZ
Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 15):
A one aircraft fleet can work.Braniff operated a single 747 DFW-HNL-DFW for about five years

Some African airlines had only one 747 (IIRC Air Cameroon, Air Namibia?)

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:00 am
by olle
I have been reading during years about what will happen with the used market for A380. And now when we getting closer to seeing some in the used market while some going off lease they cannot get any?

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:04 am
by Amiga500
Aer Lingus are crying out for an A380 on the Donegal-Dublin Shuttle....

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:13 am
by hilram
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 10):
It is hard for me to see any new non-EK orders for the A380 entirely.
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 11):
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 9):
If it's true that A380s will go to IB and/or EI, it'll probably have to be via transfer from BA


The start of a slippery slope . . .

Did you guys just turn a message about a prospective A380 sales of up to 3 frames into something that proves the demise of the A380? A.net logic ....   

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:18 am
by CARST
Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 18):
Aer Lingus are crying out for an A380 on the Donegal-Dublin Shuttle....

Ah the Irish...  

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:05 am
by A60Stock
Yeah, those 12 daily flights to CFN on an ATR 42 just aren't providing the lift needed.   

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:09 am
by migair54
Quoting A60Stock (Reply 21):
Yeah, those 12 daily flights to CFN on an ATR 42 just aren't providing the lift needed.   

12 daily ATR42 with 48 seat per flight can be replaced perfectly by 1 daily A380.

IB could use them in routes where they operate 10 weekly and reduce to 1 daily A380, but I don't see the point doing it, MAD is not limited in flights, and IB could grow with smaller planes in many market where they need to keep an edge over airlines like AF-KLM, expanding a lot in traditional IB territory.

I agree with WW that it could work, but, should they do it?? I don't think so for IB or EI, BA is another story, they have 4 class planes and a very slot restricted hub, I think BA could grab few more second hand A380 and make a great job replacing B747 in some routes.
IB future flee is around the A330 and A350, I am not sure if the A380 fits in the plan, Even if they need a bigger plane than the A359, the A350-1000 will be a much better choice due to economics.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 7):
Could this be home for 3 of the 5 A380s that SIA is ditching?

That ones will be really cheap, they are the first ones and I am not sure if the leasing company will have an easy time allocating them.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:55 am
by Amiga500
Quoting migair54 (Reply 22):
12 daily ATR42 with 48 seat per flight can be replaced perfectly by 1 daily A380.

... and the same frame could then be used to run Kerry-Dublin and Cork-Anywhere.

In fact, they might need another couple of A380s just to feed the Cork-AnywhereButCork route.


Also, during August, the Donegal/Kerry A380 would be 24/7 carrying folks to Knock. But I'm sure IAG could help with surge capacity.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:12 am
by BlueShamu330s
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 11):
Can't see this happening at all, the A380 is too big to be practicable for EI.

I can see a case for it doing the 105/104 JFK run. It seems IAG have a vision to make DUB a funnel for UK regional/near Europe connections over LHR going west, and the extra demand might justify the upguage.

That said, it is very, very speculative and I think Willy was being a little bit mischievous    in mentioning EI, just to get the internet drums going.

Rgds

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:40 am
by SCQ83
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):
How many for each EI & IB? And what routes? DUB-JFK? MAD-South America?
MAD-JFK and MAD-MIA are very large markets, MAD is not only about LATAM  MIA-MAD had 600k passengers in 2015, and MIA-JFK 727k.

That makes MAD the fourth busiest airport from JFK in Europe (after LHR, CDG and FRA)

MAD is Miami's second busiest airport in Europe after LHR.

JFK, MIA, MEX, GRU, EZE... maybe something like BOG, SCL or LIM? IMO there are quite a few logical candidates.

[Edited 2016-04-28 03:44:16]

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:52 am
by stratocruiser
If the current passenger growth rates continue on their TATL routes, yes EI might, in theory, have a limited place for the A380 in perhaps 5 to 10 years time. In the shorter term however, further growth of their DUB hub would benefit far more by increased frequency and enlarging the current the fleet of A330s (or adding A350s) would be far more conducive to this than using the considerably larger A380.

Leaving aside the early morning 757 daytime return flight to JFK, EI could ideally look towards adding additional flights to both JFK and BOS between the current mid-morning and late afternoon flights to these cities and possibly also a third flight to ORD at some stage in the future. This would allow improved and more convenient connectivity with UK/European flights in DUB.

It was suggested in a post above that one A380 might also be useful for the SFO route which I understand has shown consistently strong growth, but again I think growth on DUB-SFO would be better served by offering a second daily flight a few days a week initially with perhaps a mid afternoon departure time, again to facilitate more connectivity for transit passengers. As for the idea of EI having just one A380 in its fleet and using it for the SFO operation, this would not work, as they need to alternate the aircraft used on their SFO flight with an east coast destination each day to fit in with flight timings, so two A380s would be the minimum required if they were to use it for SFO.

Although this statement by WW sounds more like something that you would expect from MO'L, unlike his fellow countryman, WW is not known for his 'tongue in cheek' comments and, as a very shrewd CEO, perhaps he can see a future role for the A380 in EI/IB. I am not sure if any of IB's busier South American routes have significant peaks in passenger numbers during the European winter season, but if they did, then alternating a couple of A380s between IB (winter usage) and EI (summer usage) may just be a viable prospect at some stage in the future if passenger growth continues in EI at the current rate.

Interesting times for EI and IAG!

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:15 am
by oly720man
Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 24):
I can see a case for it doing the 105/104 JFK run.

It may be interesting parking it at the JFK end on a terminal used to A32x and Emb190s, though there does seem to be some spare space between Jetblue and the BA terminal.


RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:30 am
by Braybuddy
Quoting hilram (Reply 19):
Did you guys just turn a message about a prospective A380 sales of up to 3 frames into something that proves the demise of the A380? A.net logic ...

Nothing to do with any possible demise of the A380, more a case of the homogenisation of the Aer Lingus brand under IAG.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:38 am
by jfk777
The issue for Iberia perhaps is the infrastructure at Latin Airports. Many airlines have wanted to fly the A380 to GRU but they can't. Can EZE handle the A380 ? According to another post on this board AF has to take a very long 25 minute taxi at Mexico City's airport. As much as many Latin American airports have improved by new terminals and other things how many actually today have an A380 gate with 3 jetways like those at LAX TBIT ?

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:25 pm
by scbriml
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 9):
The only short to medium term option appears to be a transfer from BA.

I doubt it when Walsh is also talking about more A380s for BA.   

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:47 pm
by tortugamon
Quoting hilram (Reply 19):
Did you guys just turn a message about a prospective A380 sales of up to 3 frames into something that proves the demise of the A380? A.net logic ....

Did you just turn a message about a prospective A380 sales of up 3 frames into something that proves the A380 has been saved? A.net logic...

Quoting migair54 (Reply 22):
That ones will be really cheap, they are the first ones and I am not sure if the leasing company will have an easy time allocating them.

Agree with you there. Something has to give to make all of these pieces of info fit. Maybe WW isn't looking for something in the near future but more down the road.

tortugamon

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:48 pm
by Tristarsteve
Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 8):
.additionally eventually IAG well also do its own heavy maintenance on the A380 fleets when capacity is avalible

BA considered A380 maintenance at Cardiff, but decided that the fleet was too small.
It would need a new hangar and lots of mechanics to staff it, but with only 12 A380 the hangar would be in use for less than half the year. What would all those men do the other 6 months? So the decision was made to send them to Singapore. If the fleet nears 25 frames, then the question will be revisited.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:30 pm
by sunrisevalley
Present fuel costs have changed the operating economics of the A380 dramatically. For a 6000nm sector using a 485 seat base the base fuel cost is $146,82 per seat as at this time .One year ago this was $415.74 per seat a very substantial reduction. of about $269 per occupied seat
At a 75% LF or 364 seats occupied the base fuel cost rises to $160.33 per occupied seat One year earlier it was $553,94 per occupied
seat.
Present fuel prices have provided a real renaissance for the A380. Whether the fleet can be increased against a rise in fuel prices remains to be seen.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:12 pm
by ikramerica
How does 1 aircraft work?

I can see IB using them for major major routes, but can't see 1 aircraft working for any airline.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:21 am
by hilram
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 31):
Quoting hilram (Reply 19):
Did you guys just turn a message about a prospective A380 sales of up to 3 frames into something that proves the demise of the A380? A.net logic ....

Did you just turn a message about a prospective A380 sales of up 3 frames into something that proves the A380 has been saved? A.net logic...

That is tortugamon reverse logic.  You can just keep wearing your grey filtered googles whenever looking in the direction of the Abominable Whale Jet. I´ll refrain from putting on my pink filtered ones, but I will maintain that 3 new frames for the A380 now is good news for the program, not bad.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:36 am
by speedbored
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 34):
How does 1 aircraft work?
I can see IB using them for major major routes, but can't see 1 aircraft working for any airline.

IAG are working to standardise cabins between their different airline subsidiaries, and to share training and maintenance facilities between those airlines.

The ultimate result of this will be that, branding aside, their fleets essentially become group-wide rather than airline specific, so even if they only add 1 frame in EI colours and 2 for IB, the "fleet" would effectively be 15 frames (including the 12 of BA).

Personally, I think IAG could make good use of a total fleet of 25-30 A380s.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:36 am
by mjoelnir
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 34):
How does 1 aircraft work?

I can see IB using them for major major routes, but can't see 1 aircraft working for any airline.

Their are even airlines having only one frame. In a group with two other airlines having the same type it should not pose big problems.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:40 am
by PhoenixVIP
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 31):
Did you just turn a message about a prospective A380 sales of up 3 frames into something that proves the A380 has been saved? A.net logic...

and

Quoting hilram (Reply 35):
That is tortugamon reverse logic

Absolutely. Any sale will make tortugamon cry.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 34):

The one aircraft would work in the way that it is managed overall by IAG and will share the same maintenance and facilities as the BA ones. WW isn't going to get one or two A380s for IB to operate as their own.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:46 am
by Bongodog1964
This is a continuation of the "WW says BA could utilise more A380's if the price is right thread"

WW is playing hard ball with Airbus, he can see that they have the potential problem of the A380 becoming almost a one airline aircraft, at that point EK really will hold all the trump cards.
A decent order from IAG would not only help in itself, but also hopefully act as a stimulus for future orders.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:05 am
by N14AZ
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 39):
This is a continuation of the "WW says BA could utilise more A380's if the price is right thread"

WW is playing hard ball with Airbus,

I think you are correct, it sounds as if he is negotiating with Airbus via the press. Maybe with a big showdown at Farnborough this summer?

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:18 am
by Bongodog1964
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 40):
it sounds as if he is negotiating with Airbus via the press. Maybe with a big showdown at Farnborough this summer?

I'd be very surprised if there was a Farnborough announcement, I can't recall any IAG or prior to that BA orders being saved up for either Farnborough or Paris. Its never been their style.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:27 am
by N14AZ
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 41):
I'd be very surprised if there was a Farnborough announcement, I can't recall any IAG or prior to that BA orders being saved up for either Farnborough or Paris. Its never been their style.

I see, thanks for this information. I guess Airbus would preferred to wait until the start of the air show but anyhow, it's too early to speculate when they will place a new order.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:43 am
by BrianDromey
An interesting proposal and showing how IAG is attempting to "smooth" traffic flows out amongst all their airlines. I think they are moving towards a "core" fleet for each airline and a "pool" fleet which moves around hubs based on demand. It makes perfect sense and the kind of thing Dl, AA and UA have been doing for years. It's never been done to this extent by a European group before, but it should work.

Quoting speedbored (Reply 36):
The ultimate result of this will be that, branding aside, their fleets essentially become group-wide rather than airline specific, so even if they only add 1 frame in EI colours and 2 for IB, the "fleet" would effectively be 15 frames (including the 12 of BA).

I can imagine one each in EI and IB livery with one, or maybe more in oneworld livery, to cover maintenance and IRROPS, etc. I imagine these aircraft would effectively be managed with the BA fleet by the BA subsidiary, the aircraft would likely be used at large BA stations anyway, such as JFK, MIA, etc, so it shouldn't pose a massive issue.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:28 am
by Planesmart
Or perhaps WW is making a play for Sir Tim's job when he retires, demonstrating he too can put A380's to profitable use.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:12 pm
by jumpjets
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 41):
I can't recall any IAG or prior to that BA orders being saved up for either Farnborough or Paris. Its never been their style.

Wasn't the 787-10 formally launched at the Paris air show with BA announced as one of the initial customers - so possibly a precedent albeit a bit tenuous for an announcement by IAG at Farnborough - if indeed there is anything to announce.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:29 pm
by tortugamon
Quoting hilram (Reply 35):
I´ll refrain from putting on my pink filtered ones, but I will maintain that 3 new frames for the A380 now is good news for the program, not bad.

Never suggested it was bad news. But 3 orders does not change the direction of the program. Right now they are trying to find a way to not lose money by delivering 20/year - that's the goal and would be seen as an accomplishment. When you are facing a backlog at the end of next year of around 50 aircraft and have been receiving ~11 gross new orders over the previous 2.5 years you have to be wearing a blindfold let alone rosy colored glasses to be optimistic about the A380ceo.

tortugamon

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:25 pm
by ikramerica
I understand the macro logistics. I just don't see the micro (single airline) operational logistics. Reminds me of the days when airlines ordered 1 747 for the one route they could use it on and things never worked like they thought.

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:36 pm
by Clipper101
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 39):

This is not necessarily only true for Airbus, but also Boeing. I recall few months ago WW sighted his interest in more B773ER as well as A380 but as used airframes & not factory new !

RE: ​A380 Could Work At Iberia And Aer Lingus: Walsh

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:30 pm
by by738
Aer lingus A380? Give me strength.... ill dress up in a shamrock leprachaun outfit a do riverdance if that comes to fruition.