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Boston Aviation - Part 10

Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:29 pm

Please continue your discussion and post your news here.

Boston Aviation - Part 9 (by KarelXWB Mar 3 2016 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:55 am

Summary from previous thread (like the Irish threads do) and latest.

1. Still waiting to hear about any potential BOS-HAV on B6
2. ORK-BOS on the cards by Aug 1st if DOT piece is finalized after initial finding
3. B6 6x daily to LGA from BOS (from Major Announcement B6/LGA&EWR Today (by jfklganyc Apr 28 2016 in Civil Aviation))
4. New International flights: AB (May 7), DY (May 12) to CPH, EW to CGN (June1), TP to LIS (June 11th), TCX to MAN (May 30th)
5. S4 trying BOS-FUC for a couple of trips
6. C to E connector to be finished late spring
7. EI move to Terminal C 5/2
8. VS Expanding S17 to MAN
9. Passenger figures up 11.3% YOY YTD
10. BOS Capacity changes discussed here: Q2 2016 YoY US Carrier Capacity Changes (by Rdh3e Apr 23 2016 in Civil Aviation)

Coming Attractions:
T100 numbers: ~5/10
Logan Traffic numbers ~5/14

I think that's the salient points.. Bring it on....  
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:59 pm

Wow - thread # 10 - that speaks it for itself  

B6 mint service start from Logan

Still no direct nonstop flights to India and Brazil   Quest continues!!
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:11 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 2):
Still no direct nonstop flights to India and Brazil   Quest continues!!

With Brazil's economy the way it is and looking bleak, I doubt we will see that for a while.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:27 pm

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 3):
With Brazil's economy the way it is and looking bleak, I doubt we will see that for a while.

That all depends. Does the demand originate in Boston or in Brazil?
If most demand originates in New England then a weakened Brazilian economy may actually stimulate demand.
Nevertheless, I don't think it will happen. However I think distance is a greater factor.
People forget how long these routes would be. BOS-GRU might be just outside of a MINT A321NEO.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:44 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
Nevertheless, I don't think it will happen. However I think distance is a greater factor.
People forget how long these routes would be. BOS-GRU might be just outside of a MINT A321NEO

Agreed - this won't happen in the near future - within 10 years wouldn't be surprised. It either is outside the range of A321NEO-LR or it would probably be very close to the limit. Its a few miles shorter than BOS-IST! No one's planning 4250 mile routes with this plane.

The though of potential B6 A321LR routes from BOS is interesting.

B6 would probably start with LGW, CDG and maybe DUB but then where do you go from there.. the unserved/underserved such as BCN GVA BRU?

A lot will depend on what DY/D8 does before they even receive a plane.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:53 pm

As much as I would love a nonstop to GRU from BOS I don't see it happening anytime soon. Makes more sense to connect through FLL if B6 were to start the route. Or even connect to AD's FLL-VCP.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:38 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 5):
B6 would probably start with LGW, CDG and maybe DUB but then where do you go from there.. the unserved/underserved such as BCN GVA BRU?

A lot will depend on what DY/D8 does before they even receive a plane.

I say they should saturate the secondary markets from BOS/JFK and try to grab that traffic that would otherwise be going through LHR/DUB.

SNN, ORK, BFS, MAN, GLA/EDI type of destinations.

Yes, DY will be in a lot of those markets but B6 has a stronger brand on the US side of things.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:15 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 7):
Yes, DY will be in a lot of those markets but B6 has a stronger brand on the US side of things.

But the point-of-sale tends to lean on the European side in these markets.

I think you have to establish yourself on proven routes especially in getting people to pay for MINT on BOS-LGW or BOS-CDG. B6 also needs to prove that you can get people in PIT, BUF, DTW etc to connect in BOS for these flights.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:46 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 8):
But the point-of-sale tends to lean on the European side in these markets.

I think you have to establish yourself on proven routes especially in getting people to pay for MINT on BOS-LGW or BOS-CDG. B6 also needs to prove that you can get people in PIT, BUF, DTW etc to connect in BOS for these flights.

There are plenty of folks out there who fly BOS-LHR-GLA or BOS-DUB-MAN or BOS-DUB-BHX as 3 examples (my parents have done the last two for example), so B6 will definitely have a shot at this market if they can figure it out.

DY was in a similar position (name not known, foreign airline) and they have done ok thus far.

You are right that in order to make this work, they have to get the feed at this end from other places along with O&D but with the right marketing (which they are known for) and some corporate contracts, well.... you never know.

The other key is their relationship with EI currently. Right now, they don't need the TATL, because their partnership with EI gets their passengers there (enhanced with EI's move to Terminal C next week), however if as a number of folks have pointed out. EI's purchase by IAG puts them into OW and they have to give up their other partnership, then I can see B6 go for it, as they would then be missing out on that revenue.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:15 am

One issue though - you cannot earn True Blue points on EI flights.

The only transatlantic flight you can earn points on is a coded FI BOS-KEF flight.

[Edited 2016-04-30 04:17:06]
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:58 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):
One issue though - you cannot earn True Blue points on EI flights.

Another reason that B6 may ultimately go this way, to provide a full option for this. They have a history of listening to their fliers (case in point the BOS-LGA announcement) so this would be an added benefit not available to them right now. That's a win-win.
Certainly going to be an investment, but with the right marketing and advertising it could be done.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:41 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 11):
They have a history of listening to their fliers

The voice of the customer is important here.

Does anyone know the top European business routes for BOS? Obviously LON is #1 but not sure if CDG and DUB would be next (They are 2 + 3 in total O+D).
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:29 pm

Also don't forget the B6 CEO Robin Hayes was previously an executive at BA and knows a lot about UK/Europe travellers.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:22 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know the top European business routes for BOS? Obviously LON is #1 but not sure if CDG and DUB would be next (They are 2 3 in total O D).

I doubt such numbers exist or are publicly available but based on my observations and experiences probably Frankfurt, Dublin, Paris, Munich, Zurich, Amsterdam and Geneva.

I should add that this is based mainly on what I know of finance and consulting travel. I can't speak for other industry sectors.

[Edited 2016-04-30 12:27:13]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sun May 01, 2016 5:22 am

Busiest international routes from BOS (2014)[88]
Rank Airport Passengers Change
2013/2014 Carriers
1 London (Heathrow), United Kingdom 868,024 + 2.3% British Airways, Delta, Virgin Atlantic
2 Paris (Charles de Gaulle), France 321,779 - 4.1% Air France, American, Delta
3 Dublin, Ireland 308,517 + 95.0% Aer Lingus
4 Frankfurt, Germany 281,970 +14.5% Lufthansa
5 Amsterdam, Netherlands 263,423 +18.9% Delta
6 Reykjavík (Keflavík), Iceland 184,906 + 75.1% Icelandair, WOW Air
7 Toronto (City), Canada 171,393 + 137.9% Porter Airlines
8 Munich, Germany 152,278 +8.1% Lufthansa
9 Toronto (Pearson), Canada 148,203 - 31.4% Air Canada
10 Dubai (International), United Arab Emirates 146,790 Emirates

Wikipedia source

[Edited 2016-04-30 22:23:42]

[Edited 2016-04-30 22:25:25]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sun May 01, 2016 3:02 pm

Quoting airway1 (Reply 15):

Thanks but these are all hubs (even YTZ to an extent though the majority is probably O D) and includes pax connecting through them (i.e BOS-FRA-MXP or LIN-LHR-BOS).

I've heard stories on here that LH isn't even the market share leader on BOS-FRA.

But this top ten chart is going to change a bit for 2015 (KEF and DXB going up) and probably a lot in 2016 (ZRH probably cracking top 10 with seasonal service, YYZ will go up with WS, and will DXB be hurt by QRD+ BOS-DOH)

Here's 2015 YTD through October for the Top 9 - TK didn't report last month so they may have eclipsed MUC.

1) LHR - 727618
2) CDG - 326147
3) YYZ - 282811
4) DUB - 274185
5) FRA - 262594
6) KEF - 242083
7) AMS - 218978
8) DXB - 190964
9) YTZ - 144770

I am wondering how AC has been reporting numbers too.. its possible one of their regionals didn't report correctly in 2014.

Quoting bagoldex (Reply 14):
I doubt such numbers exist or are publicly available but based on my observations and experiences probably Frankfurt, Dublin, Paris, Munich, Zurich, Amsterdam and Geneva.

Thanks - just trying to get an idea if there was anything else missing. Not surprised with any of these.. I would say Rhine-Ruhr (DUS/CGN) has to have some business links as well.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sun May 01, 2016 4:04 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 16):
Thanks - just trying to get an idea if there was anything else missing. Not surprised with any of these.. I would say Rhine-Ruhr (DUS/CGN) has to have some business links as well.

I think it's safe to say that most major cities in Europe have some form of a commercial link with Boston.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 07, 2016 1:08 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 16):
I would say Rhine-Ruhr (DUS/CGN) has to have some business links as well.

Speaking of Rhine-Ruhr - First AB DUS-BOS should be in the air shortly (1 hour delay at least in DUS)
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BER7472/history/20160507/1150Z/EDDL/KBOS


Found something on yelp review of WOW Air - supposedly BOS-KEF or KEF-LGW was overbooked and WW put some passengers on DY BOS-LGW.

WW Yelp Review


Also saw a peculiar EK billboard on Route 1 North simply touting free wifi and not the breadth of the airlines network or double daily flights etc.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Mon May 09, 2016 12:27 am

any word on how EI are settling into Terminal C yet? and given we are starting the summer ramp up in E, any word of issues with CBP yet?
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Mon May 09, 2016 12:30 pm

Massport has become bored to change terminal E signage - today am while approaching Logan I don't see Air Berlin listed in the signboard however Aer Lingus does show up in Terminal C.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Mon May 09, 2016 12:37 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 20):
Massport has become bored to change terminal E signage

But not too bored to play with their fire brigade and squirt water over the incoming inaugural. One is 'FUN!!' The other is 'WORK.'
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Mon May 09, 2016 12:42 pm

any word on how EI are settling into Terminal C yet? and given we are starting the summer ramp up in E, any word of issues with CBP yet?

Does EI eventually end up moving back in Terminal Ewith BA/IB after construction or with AA in Terminal B (given the pre-clearance issues)? At some point, you got to assume IAG isn't interested in helping B6 over their JV.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Mon May 09, 2016 12:55 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 20):
Massport has become bored to change terminal E signage - today am while approaching Logan I don't see Air Berlin listed in the signboard however Aer Lingus does show up in Terminal C.

Yesterday they had one of those temporary electronic signboard trailers near the airport entry announcing Aer Lingus is now in Terminal C.

BTW, Air Berlin has a small ad in today's Boston Globe showing an FA holding an EU flag touting them as the best way to Europe....although it doesn't give any specific information on operations out of Logan.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Mon May 09, 2016 2:09 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 20):

Massport has become bored to change terminal E signage - today am while approaching Logan I don't see Air Berlin listed in the signboard however Aer Lingus does show up in Terminal C.

No Norwegian on the E signs, either.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Wed May 11, 2016 2:08 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 1):
6. C to E connector to be finished late spring

Heard this is now open.

Former E gates now C8-C10 were not being used when I checked earlier unless EI was using one of them for the SNN flight.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Wed May 11, 2016 10:52 am

Globe article by Massport CEO - the targeted next hit looks like Havana from
And to Logan

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2.../Z6x83VNUHGyJDuI0rKuIdL/story.html
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Wed May 11, 2016 12:55 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 20):
Massport has become bored to change terminal E signage - today am while approaching Logan I don't see Air Berlin listed in the signboard however Aer Lingus does show up in Terminal C.

I don't think it is an issue of boredom as much as saving money. Why bother changing signs for only 3 months of operation? I wonder where we will see the signs for TP. By this time next year all of the gates at terminal E should be in operation and airlines might no longer need to have split terminal operations.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Wed May 11, 2016 1:52 pm

You will NOT see signage for Norwegian, Air Berlin, or Eurowings as they have in essence "charter" status at the airport and signage is not part of that status.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Wed May 11, 2016 6:39 pm

Quoting jcarv (Reply 28):

You will NOT see signage for Norwegian, Air Berlin, or Eurowings as they have in essence "charter" status at the airport and signage is not part of that status.

I get Eurowings and Air Berlin. But wouldn't DY having daily 787 flights to Europe, as well as Caribbean flights in the winter in addition to the 787 be a scheduled airline?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Wed May 11, 2016 6:44 pm

Is AB BOS-DUS officially seasonal? Appears that way right now. I know its only bookable until the end of October but it did not seem to be in the press releases etc.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Thu May 12, 2016 2:00 am

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 29):

I get Eurowings and Air Berlin. But wouldn't DY having daily 787 flights to Europe, as well as Caribbean flights in the winter in addition to the 787 be a scheduled airline?

It has to do with their agreement with the airport, lease and what not. Technical contractual things behind the scenes and compliance with airport rules & regs
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Thu May 12, 2016 2:09 am

Can you book connecting flights through DUS on AirBerlin? I have family who go to Croatia quite a bit. AirBerlin serves Dubrovnik and Split ( I think) but so far, connections don't appear to be book able.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Thu May 12, 2016 6:45 pm

Quoting jcarv (Reply 31):
It has to do with their agreement with the airport, lease and what not. Technical contractual things behind the scenes and compliance with airport rules & regs

Interesting.

Does anyone know if one goes to JFK, FLL, LAS, LAX, OAK, etc. - if DY has traditional signage, or is it just left out like it is @ BOS?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Thu May 12, 2016 8:24 pm

Massport's map now shows gates C8, C9, and C10

http://www.massport.com/logan-airpor...e-maps/#terminal/C/zone/departures

If this is old news, please delete
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri May 13, 2016 1:01 am

BTS November 2015 numbers are out:

STILL, NO BOS-HKG AGAIN!!!!, it's very odd they are not reporting this.I'll send another request to massport when December comes out so I can get 3 months of info.

Capacity Factors noted below, combined direction.

International Routes:

Middle East:

LY - BOS-TLV - 76.2%
EK -BOS-DXB - 55.3% *** 10% increase over October
TK - BOS-IST - 60.8%** ouch...

Asia

HU - BOS-PEK - xxxxxx- Did Not Report
HU - BOS-PVG - xxxxxx - Did Not Report
JL - BOS-NRT - 80.6%


Europe:

EI - BOS-DUB - 76.6%
EI - BOS-SNN - 63.7%**
AF - BOS-CDG - 83.6%
DL - BOS-CDG - 70.2%
BA - BOS-LHR - 79.7%
DL - BOS-LHR - 48.8%** (some nice empty rows in November, although our flight was reasonably full)
VS - BOS-LHR - 61.9%**
AZ - BOS-FCO - 70.3%
DL - BOS-AMS - 82.4%
FI - BOS-KEF - 81.2%
WW-BOS-KEF- 79.5%
LH - BOS-FRA - 67.3%**
LH - BOS-MUC - 78.6%
S4 - BOS-PDL - 86.4%
LX - BOS-ZRH- 73.3%

Central America

AM - BOS-MEX - 83.2% (nice)
CM - BOS-PTY - 61.6%** (continued ouch)
B6 - BOS-CUN - 84.4%

Canada

AC - BOS-YYZ - 54.1%
RS - BOS-YYZ - 69.3% (Sky Regional)
QK - BOS-YHZ - 60.0%
QK - BOS-YOW - 48.5%
QK - BOS-YUL - 49.1%
PD - BOS-YTZ - 52.2%

Worcester:

B6- ORH-FLL 79.2% (under 80 is getting a little concerning, will see how the winter months hold up)
B6 - ORH-MCO 84.5%


Others of note:

AS (over 3 routes) 87.8% (PDX top at 90.4%)
B6 (over all routes) 82.7% (Daily's Top - LAS 90.9%, Bottom EWR 71.4%)
AA (over all routes) 81.3% (Daily's Top - PHX 91.0%, Bottom LGA 57.1%)
DL (over all routes) 79.2% (Daily's Top - SLC 87.2%, ATL 91.0%, Bottom LHR 48.8%, LGA 64.3%)
NK (over all routes) 77.7% (Daily's Top - LAS 86.0%, Bottom PBI 76.4%)
UA (over all routes) 85.0% (Daily's Top - DEN 92.9%, Bottom EWR 79.5%)
VX (over all routes) 81.7% (LAX 82.6%, SFO 81%)
WN (over all routes) 78.5% (Top - DEN 91.5%, Bottom - IND 53.0%, CMH 61.9%) AUS 88% (new route vs B6 88.7%)
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri May 13, 2016 1:59 am

I will do the YOY numbers for November and October even though we still have nothing for HU.

Also - one new B6 Caribbean route BOS-BGI was off to a good start at 86.3%

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 35):
CM - BOS-PTY - 61.6%** (continued ouch)

They ran the 738 for most of the month as opposed to 73G - pax numbers were up 15% YOY and the costs to run the 738 per seat mile are lower I believe.

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 35):
AM - BOS-MEX - 83.2% (nice)

They are doing a lot better than in the early to mid 2000's.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Fri May 13, 2016 4:07 am

Has Massport ever considered a further consolidation of the security in Terminal C so that gates 40-42 could be connected post checkpoint with the rest of hte terminal? Would that even be a sensible expenditure?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 1:16 am

Here's November's YOY comparison


My first thought - Is it coincidence that most of the losses are Star Alliance? LH did trim capacity in the low teens for the month.

Big version: Width: 816 Height: 460 File size: 24kb


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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 11:11 am

I'm assuming that there are 'other' reasons why DL would hold on to their LHR route despite miserable loads. But let's say they exited the market; might that hasten BA to bring the A380 in?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 12:11 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 39):
I'm assuming that there are 'other' reasons why DL would hold on to their LHR route despite miserable loads. But let's say they exited the market; might that hasten BA to bring the A380 in?

I think that you'd see an up-gauge to all 744 service first. BA's 380s are in short supply and the economic inefficiencies of the 744 matter much less on relatively short-runs like LHR-BOS.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 12:21 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 39):

I'm assuming that there are 'other' reasons why DL would hold on to their LHR route despite miserable loads. But let's say they exited the market; might that hasten BA to bring the A380 in?

LHR slot was awarded to them by DOT when LHR opened up to all carriers but I think they can lose it in a year or two.

The front of the plane is said to do well and even if the route loses money, the Skyteam JV probably uses it to keep loyalty in BOS.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 1:02 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 38):
But let's say they exited the market; might that hasten BA to bring the A380 in?

I don't expect them to exit the market. The fact that they keep a 763 on the route instead of a 757 tells me that premium demand must be good. Regardless, I predict that BA will bring the A380 starting next year. BOS is a perfect market for the A380 for BA. Huge market across all classes of service and with LCC putting pressure on yields the A380 will offer a CASM advantage that is hard to beat.

Quoting hinckley (Reply 40):
I think that you'd see an up-gauge to all 744 service first.

During peak season it's already 3x744 with only the morning departure as 772. I don't think there is enough demand for a 744 in the morning.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 2:03 pm

Remember that BA were one of the airlines touted as wanting 380 service to BOS when Massport approved the update of the 3 gates to accommodate the aircraft. There never any guarantee of course but i think it says that discussions have taken place even on a seasonal basis for BA. They could go one of two ways. Offer a straight upgauge of 744 to 388 and keep the same frequency or add a 388 drop a frequency and use that elsewhere. That said they still have spare slots at LHR so it's most likely to be the former.
Let's also not forgot they are talking about getting a few more 380's if the price is right and I still have in the back of my mind that EI might get one for DUB-BOS down the road for the summer months. The 330's were full this summer that's for sure
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 2:13 pm

November is a brutal month. My folks, who are retirees and travel frequently, never go in November for whatever reason. October, yes. December yes (the CHristmas Markets). Jan/Feb/Mar, yes and then of course the peak times.

Still, there are some flights with impressive loads. I will have to go back to see if the DL BOS-CDG flight had flipped from a 763 to a 757 by that point. I would guess yes. Considering that this was a seasonal 757 a few years ago and is now year round, with a mix of 763/764/333 last summer, that's impressive.

Has anyone flown BOS-TLV??
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 4:10 pm

How has QR been doing from BOS? I wonder if their service might cause EK to go back to one daily flight or TK cutting frequencies.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 6:46 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 42):
I don't expect them to exit the market. The fact that they keep a 763 on the route instead of a 757 tells me that premium demand must be good.

I flew DL BOS-LHR-BOS twice last year. J in all four flights was full or near-full.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 42):
During peak season it's already 3x744 with only the morning departure as 772. I don't think there is enough demand for a 744 in the morning.

It's hard to argue with that.

LHR-BOS must be the shortest BA 744 long-haul destination. And as you say, they fly three of them in the summer. It just feels like the right plane for the route right now.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sat May 14, 2016 11:36 pm

Here's October - nothing too drastic here except a big dip in BOS-LHR on DL but was made up for by VS.


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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sun May 15, 2016 1:02 am

The fact that Massport has multiple 380-capable gates underway means that more than EK is interested. But between BA, LH, AF I think I'd handicap them just as I listed. In fact, I'm not convinced that AF even LIKES their A380s. And as for EI getting one, well, that makes NO sense since even a 747 was too big for them many years ago. On 99% of the days in a calendar year, a 747 STILL would be. A wet lease of a 380, perhaps. But a purchased one? LOL. But it sure would be a terrific 'get' for Logan.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 10

Sun May 15, 2016 12:29 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 48):
But a purchased one? LOL. But it sure would be a terrific 'get' for Logan.

Well BA has 7 options on the books which means IAG does which means they could go to EI or IB if firmed.

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